No Tax on Veg !!

not animal fat then - aint that sposed to be good - eh Slob?

they could flog the stuff but they'd need a catchy jingle. yer gort any ideas?

seanmoore2006 said:

be a shame if he doesnt come back cos i've been trying to find something allmost like what he's selling for ages - whenever i've asked what i think are sensible questions of any of the other heater kit providers they tend to ignore me, which in my eyes sorta proves they havent done enough to prove their kits are actually usable

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here go ask him..

Sunshine Fuel - Diesel to Vegetable oil conversions

what a cnut!!! he even charges yer £4 fer a sticker advertising his stuff.. ah think the name chancer would be apt

slob said:

they could flog the stuff but they'd need a catchy jingle. yer gort any ideas?

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Put yer Rover in ya Rover
There's life in the old dog yet.

would it go faster if you put a grey hound in it?
and could you use yer parents when they snuff it?

Ah've found some competition fer mr sunshine and their a damn sight cheaper.

biotuning

redhand said:

Ah've found some competition fer mr sunshine and their a damn sight cheaper.

biotuning

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nice exchanger, looks far more thought out than the mr sunshine dremeled verson

all i need now is a small fuel tank (fur diesel) that fits simillar to those landieboxes and is filled from the outside

how big a tank do yer need?

slob said:

how big a tank do yer need?

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I've not really given it too much thought yet but i suspect something about 35l would be more than enough seeing as it would only be used for a few miles per trip - but if you factor in how many short trips you make it's doesnt want to be too small

i'm aiming for a twin tank system that doesnt involve having the smaller tank (the diesel one) physically inside the vehicle, all the mags have adverts for "landieboxes", these are obvioulsy storage containers but the intended mounting location and dimensions are allmost exactly what i am looking for

a tank mounted as per the landiebox would also make it easy to construct a properly engineered filling ole

i've asked for quotes from allisport and a couple of fabricators around here - allisport just havnt replied, and the other quotes are about £250 which isnt bad for a professionally built one off

You'll wonder where our Yella went
When you melt him down for Diese-o-dent!

seanmoore2006 said:

I've not really given it too much thought yet but i suspect something about 35l would be more than enough seeing as it would only be used for a few miles per trip - but if you factor in how many short trips you make it's doesnt want to be too small

i'm aiming for a twin tank system that doesnt involve having the smaller tank (the diesel one) physically inside the vehicle, all the mags have adverts for "landieboxes", these are obvioulsy storage containers but the intended mounting location and dimensions are allmost exactly what i am looking for

a tank mounted as per the landiebox would also make it easy to construct a properly engineered filling ole

i've asked for quotes from allisport and a couple of fabricators around here - allisport just havnt replied, and the other quotes are about £250 which isnt bad for a professionally built one off

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There's a plastic one around some where with an external vent pipe so's it dint stink the landy out.

slob said:

so yer another one thats joined in the hope of peddling yer wares. there are ways to do it without looking like a spammer on a day off.

we've just had the one about "if you don't change yer oil every 5000 miles yer engine will just self destruct " and now we've gort you telling us that if yer dint buy one of yer kits, or build yer own yer IP will nevver work again and that yer spray pattern will not be right.
yet as pikey point out lots of folk do and they don't have a problem. but still yer insist that a conversion kit is needed.
if yer want to flog yer stuff on here why not contact accy or roy and offer them some dosh fer yer advertising. that way folk will see it and decide if its for them. and you wont look like a spamming ****

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I AM NOT A SPAMMER AND I AM INSULTED BY BEING CALLED A TW**. I am a polite man. I realy don't mind if you by a kit from me or someone else. I'm not intentionally promoting my stuff I was mearly trying to help, I run a small company with myself and my wife. As I pointed out you can build your own heat exchanger if you want, and I can even send you some pictures of home made heat exchangers. I'm sure you might get away without a kit for a while, but when your IP fails you arn't going to anounce to the world what a plonker you have been, no you will buy a new IP and that will be that and many more people will go on and do the same thing. IF you think your right then stick 100% Veg in your Vehical with no modification and start it on a cold day, repeat until IP fails or engine gums up (IT WILL) The damage is mainly done when the weather is cold VEG oil is up to 10 Times thicker than diesel, Infact it is so thick somethimes that your IP shaft will simply shear off. (I have seen many) I will be interesting to see the outcome of your vehical in 1 Years time. Bear in mind that your injection pump should usually out-live your vehical.

PS In the light of what you called me I would not sell you anything if you were the last customer on the earth my wife and me need people like you like a hole in the head. And I sure that others on the site would not appreciate that language on the site dirrected at other members. I joined as a bit of FUN but a few people have to spoil it by being insulting.

Mike

mikegaylor said:

I joined as a bit of FUN but a few people have to spoil it by being insulting.

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You only read a couple of posts before you joined then? Were they in the Rangie section or summat? Everywhere else on here insulting and fun have the same dictionary entry.

Or is it only fun when it's happening to someone else?

mikegaylor said:

I AM NOT A SPAMMER AND I AM INSULTED BY BEING CALLED A TW**. I am a polite man. I realy don't mind if you by a kit from me or someone else. I'm not intentionally promoting my stuff I was mearly trying to help, I run a small company with myself and my wife. As I pointed out you can build your own heat exchanger if you want, and I can even send you some pictures of home made heat exchangers. I'm sure you might get away without a kit for a while, but when your IP fails you arn't going to anounce to the world what a plonker you have been, no you will buy a new IP and that will be that and many more people will go on and do the same thing. IF you think your right then stick 100% Veg in your Vehical with no modification and start it on a cold day, repeat until IP fails or engine gums up (IT WILL) The damage is mainly done when the weather is cold VEG oil is up to 10 Times thicker than diesel, Infact it is so thick somethimes that your IP shaft will simply shear off. (I have seen many) I will be interesting to see the outcome of your vehical in 1 Years time. Bear in mind that your injection pump should usually out-live your vehical.

PS In the light of what you called me I would not sell you anything if you were the last customer on the earth my wife and me need people like you like a hole in the head. And I sure that others on the site would not appreciate that language on the site dirrected at other members. I joined as a bit of FUN but a few people have to spoil it by being insulting.

Mike

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Tetchy an all

mikegaylor said:

I AM NOT A SPAMMER AND I AM INSULTED BY BEING CALLED A TW**. I am a polite man. I realy don't mind if you by a kit from me or someone else. I'm not intentionally promoting my stuff I was mearly trying to help, I run a small company with myself and my wife. As I pointed out you can build your own heat exchanger if you want, and I can even send you some pictures of home made heat exchangers. I'm sure you might get away without a kit for a while, but when your IP fails you arn't going to anounce to the world what a plonker you have been, no you will buy a new IP and that will be that and many more people will go on and do the same thing. IF you think your right then stick 100% Veg in your Vehical with no modification and start it on a cold day, repeat until IP fails or engine gums up (IT WILL) The damage is mainly done when the weather is cold VEG oil is up to 10 Times thicker than diesel, Infact it is so thick somethimes that your IP shaft will simply shear off. (I have seen many) I will be interesting to see the outcome of your vehical in 1 Years time. Bear in mind that your injection pump should usually out-live your vehical.

PS In the light of what you called me I would not sell you anything if you were the last customer on the earth my wife and me need people like you like a hole in the head. And I sure that others on the site would not appreciate that language on the site dirrected at other members. I joined as a bit of FUN but a few people have to spoil it by being insulting.

Mike

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yer might well be a polite man but yer sure as hell can't read.
i never called you a **** nor a spammer. so it looks like you know you are one and therefore expect people to call you one.

as fer pumps failing, well they do whether you use doosul; sun flower oil , melted butter or the sweat from me arm pits. its mechanical so it will fail, at some point. now are you gonna tell folk that have ran their injun on tescos super saver rape seed oil fer years that they need a conversion kit or they'll suffer more than someone using pure doosul?

**** it wint that long ago we had one telling us if yer burn bushes out the world would end

Just remember guys, now that they are removing almost all of the SULPHUR from diesel fuel (and it was about ONE PERCENT sulphur for 100 years) that the following is now a TRUE FACT

FACT:
Properly made BIODIESEL is the best pump lubricating fuel we can lay hands on.
Next best is straight vegetable oil.
Way behind those are the real old fashioned diesels fuels.

A LONG WAY behind are all the low-sulphur diesels they charge extra for.

It's the way things are.

CharlesY

redhand said:

There's a plastic one around some where with an external vent pipe so's it dint stink the landy out.

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yer i think i have seen them in a marine store, if i dont get a reasonable quote for a proper custom on ei'll end up with one of those

seanmoore2006 said:

i just thought he might actually have some helpfull comments to make - and if he does turn into a "spamming ****" i will retract my comment

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Hi seanmoore2006

The heat exchanger will heat your oil up to temp by the time your engine is normally up to temp, however long this normally is in your region. You are correct that electric heaters can get the oil to temp faster and will be fine with Bosh pumps, just be wary of the other more fragile pumps as they will only reach working temp with the rest of the engine. Just to reasure every one on the site yes I don sell kits but I am more than happy to help you build your own heat exchangers or advise on conversions with no gain to myself at all, apart from I like to help, and that it's good that others are interested in the same topic.

All the Best

Mike Gaylor.

mikegaylor said:

Hi seanmoore2006

The heat exchanger will heat your oil up to temp by the time your engine is normally up to temp, however long this normally is in your region. You are correct that electric heaters can get the oil to temp faster and will be fine with Bosh pumps, just be wary of the other more fragile pumps as they will only reach working temp with the rest of the engine. Just to reasure every one on the site yes I don sell kits but I am more than happy to help you build your own heat exchangers or advise on conversions with no gain to myself at all, apart from I like to help, and that it's good that others are interested in the same topic.

All the Best

Mike Gaylor.

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In the interets of science I've ordered one of the http://www.biotuning.co.uk/ exchangers and a couple of their valves and will be putting something together over this weekend and will report my findings. I'd be interested to know how to came to the conclusion that your exchanger should be of that design, including it's dimensions based on thermal mass and heat gain/loss etc

As far as i can see no one sells what i think would be the ideal solution:

Feel free to add/edit this list of what i think is required.

1, Low thermal mass exchanger (your's looks quite chunky so bringing it to temp will be a lengthy process)

2, Auto switch over when temp is reached

3, Electrically assisted heating of exchanger when ambeint temp is lower than approx +2 (or whatever temp SVO starts going gloopy)

4, Interface between fuel switch over sensor and assisted heating function to enable starting using SVO when engine temp permits

5, Total bypass so that main tank can be filled with diesel without using heating system - this is in the event of SVO not being available

6, Sensible set of indicator/working signals/lights that dont resemble the space shuttles dash

7, Secondary tank system that allows external filling