The response to the question sums it up really...

After asking the following question to a somewhat dubious looking advert on ebay (see link) Landrover 90 Comp safari 88" 200tdi 1959 Tax EXEMPT Road legal Offroad Challenge | eBay

"Bit concerned about the provenance of this vehicle? Before I bid... can you confirm exactly which bits of this Landy is actually from the 1959 tax/MOT exempt vehicle that it states it is, and how it satisfies the DVLA criteria for maintaining that original identity?"


Here's the response I got...... "as far as im aware the bonnet, vin plate, badge, are the only things left from the originall vehicle, that said it has been like it is since 1994 and never had any problems, cant see why dvla should need to get involved, only if you change details that it says on the logbook will they ask questions. the logbook states that its a 2.5 diesel and that its registered as a (landrover light utility vehicle) 4x4 colour black. age 1959. says nothing about series or such thing. its been taxed and mot'd for years with no problems"

I'll let you draw your own conclusions???????:frusty:

problem explained

it was built in 1994 so whats your problem with it????

i really wish people knew the law before mud slinging

suggest you read up on sva and year of introduction and rules prior to before responding...

cheers steve

Looks like that should be a q plate.

i used to own similar and eventually got sick to the back teeth of explaining if peeps think above response is harsh....

cheers steve

goonarmy said:

Looks like that should be a q plate.

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why???? here we go again ...

gonna have to elaborate before every misguided response appears..

prior to sva if u wanted to stick a v8 in a transit with different gearbox... a jag irs axle etc etc and the only thing transit was the body shell and reg THIS WAS LEGAL

i could build a beach buggy with vw floorpan but nothing else from vehicle and use reg... THIS WAS LEGAL

sva was designed to stop this

BUT IT COULD NOT BE APPLIED RETROSPECTIVELY SO PRIOR TO THAT ANYTHING PRETTY MUCH GOES.....

if this vehicle was and can be shown as 1994 there is nothing wrong...

i doubt that is the case but dont infer wihout proof

cheers steve

Looks . Not that should , must or needs to be. Possibly a ringer like yours or maybe its kosher - i dunno.

goonarmy said:

Looks . Not that should , must or needs to be. Possibly a ringer like yours or maybe its kosher - i dunno.

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possibly a ringer like mine???? wtf this is what used to annoy NOT A RINGER IF PRE SVA!!!!! legal and correct

cheers steve

ebbadger said:

possibly a ringer like mine???? wtf this is what used to annoy NOT A RINGER IF PRE SVA!!!!! legal and correct

cheers steve

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Hehe still boiling ya **** iinnit?

goonarmy said:

Hehe still boiling ya **** iinnit?

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factually incorrect statements based on incorrect assumptions by persons who believe they are correct despite not knowing a subject 'boil my ****' irrespective of subject matter... one of the downfalls of the net lol

cheers steve

Tis always the nobies trying to make sumthing outter nothing.

There must have been hundreds if not thousands of old Spunky 1970 odd RRC cut up and built 88 inch as trialers/comp motors. none of which were illegal stolen or anything. It used to be the case where a metro was converted over time to a full out and out independant space framed 5lr comp safari motor the ONLY thing left from the metro was the headlights and i think wiper motor. No problem back then it was what was done.

Everyone seems to think that an 88 inch on coils is illegal simply theyre not. you may not like the fact that they have been made different to Original but you show me an original landy after 50 years. Its just as said mud slinging.

I dont meas OZAWOZA is a noobie ive seen him on ere a while but tis usually the case somone joins getsin with the group and then proceeds to slag every ebay advert off they find because its not what they agree with it.

jai_landrover said:

Tis always the nobies trying to make sumthing outter nothing.

There must have been hundreds if not thousands of old Spunky 1970 odd RRC cut up and built 88 inch as trialers/comp motors. none of which were illegal stolen or anything. It used to be the case where a metro was converted over time to a full out and out independant space framed 5lr comp safari motor the ONLY thing left from the metro was the headlights and i think wiper motor. No problem back then it was what was done.

Everyone seems to think that an 88 inch on coils is illegal simply theyre not. you may not like the fact that they have been made different to Original but you show me an original landy after 50 years. Its just as said mud slinging.

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it was and nothing wrong with it imo as long as parts werent nicked ,i used to enjoy building hybrids

I've made no judgements... just asked a question cos actually I really like the Landy in the add... just a bit concerned about the validity of it's stated 1959 registration, when by the owners own response the original bits are limited to the plate, bonnet and badge???

Bearing in mind it's stated as road legal, so not just an offroad toy, what do you think my fate would be if I were to be involved in an accident and claim against my insurance (obviously I would have to inform them of all the modifications first), and would it be possible to get the V5 updated to include all the MODs and keep the registration???

I dont really care for the vehicle, it looks kinda cool, but reading this and finding out how much of a knob "steve" is made me chuckle non the less..

OZAWOZA said:

and would it be possible to get the V5 updated to include all the MODs and keep the registration???

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what sort of updates/mods would you expect to have to add to the V5 ??

look at your V5 and see what information it carries

registration number
chassis number
engine number
engine capacity
model
year of first registration

those are basically all that you would expect to see on it apart from the keepers name and address and it doesn't always get all of those

so just because it's been fitted with a set of coil springs and axles etc' to suit means nothing as far as the V5 is concerned, the day it does start to require that kind of information adding will be a dark day in this country as the modification recording list will grow and we could eventually find all sorts of problems and extra expenses, even just fitting a TDI to an otherwise standard motor could end up with an inspection bill (petrol to diesel/V8 implant or others), upgraded brakes (discs), 5 speed gearbox etc' etc'

how hard do you want to make life for yourself, everything you can sensibly keep under the radar needs to stay under the radar

....Fair points, but perhaps the item description will add some clarity with regard to V5 elements and it's ability to retain original 1959 registration (I did add a link to the advert, but have included extract below to assist in drawing your conclusions)

its registered 1959 which means it is not only TAX EXEMPT it is also MOT EXEMPT! thats right no need to ever tax or mot this beast just arrive and drive! if you dont believe me then google (pre 1960 MOT exempt law) see for yourself. also being this age you dont need to wear seatbelts, you dont need lights or indicators infact theres not alot you do need. this vehicle truly is 2 fingers to the law!
i have been mainly using this vehicle on the road for laneing and for some pay play days, been used every weekend right up until the day of this listing.
its awsome for these devon lanes, it has a very low roof line and is narrower then a 90, but has about 3inches more ground clearance than a standard 90 chassis, will easy follow a suzuki down the tightest of lanes and then power through the deepest of bogs.

SPECIFICATIONS originally built as a 88inch comp safari racer, then modified over the years to current spec

Rangerover based shortened to 88inch chassis, strengethened in many places with lots of extra mounts and supports, all fully red oxide painted with ABSOLUTELY NO RUST WHATSOEVER!!

Full MSA spec space frame body, and integral rollcage, inc tubular front wings and rear wings, (i have the certified MSA logbook for vehicle and stamps) all aluminium bodywork panels riveted to rollcage,

3 inch lift kit, with modified shock mounts front and rear, twin rear pro comp shocks, rear turret conversion, braided brake hoses

Fully polybushed throughout

Running a Tweaked and tuned disco 200TDI high ratio box, (lovely engine never given an ounce of trouble ever)

Disco disc braked axles all round, not a single oil leak in sight

4x 35-10.5-16 silverstone extreme (simex) on silver mods all round

Green cotton air filter, mounted to custom 100% watertight snorkel

Custom high exit exhaust

Custom fuel tank and battery located in rear, along with full lockable toolbox

Electric fan conversion, manually switch operated

FULLY working lights, indicators, brakes, horn, mirrors, 4point race harnesses, radio, interior heater (lovely and warm) etc
Does have a current proper valid mot until july next year.

triple wiper conversion with high pressure washer conversion, cleans windscreen in seconds

....I would add that I don't have any problem with the vehicle (so long as it isn't nicked) it's just the trying to pass it off as something that I don't believe it is thing that erks me - completely different chassis, suspension, engine, transmission...but in fairness it does have the original plate and badge.... perhaps I'm just too sensitive?

.....I guess that what all of this does show is that those of you are much more knowledgeable in these things than I can at least make an informed decision and make your own choice...but for those of us who are newer to the weird world of mechanical wonderment that is Land Rover are largely at the mercy of the vendor and advice available within forums such as this...... I guess the motto is as ever "Buyer beware!" and do some homework before purchasing anything!!!

OZAWOZA said:

.....I guess that what all of this does show is that those of you are much more knowledgeable in these things than I can at least make an informed decision and make your own choice...but for those of us who are newer to the weird world of mechanical wonderment that is Land Rover are largely at the mercy of the vendor and advice available within forums such as this...... I guess the motto is as ever "Buyer beware!" and do some homework before purchasing anything!!!

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You're going about this the wrong way.
Sod the DVLA (and I say that whole heartedly) As long as you have got a V5 that matches the numbers on the vehicle and the vehicle would pass a road-side safety check and you talk to the DVLA once a year and pay any money they might demand, then -

It's your insurer that you need to be talking to. Will they insure this pile of bits bolted together as a vehicle. They won't particularly care what you call it or the precise build year, they just want to assess their liability in the event of a claim. Once they say yes you're good to go.

It sounds good although is check a few things:

Make sure it was built and have paperwork to support year as its a big factor,

Check the cage is still msa compliant riviting to cage was indeed legal years ago but depending what bodywork is rivited to really would be a make or break

Many plates on chassis double check as always with lrs

As with any build check wiring as many are very bad

It all sounds great although I personally would throw the tyres and suspension away to comp it again.