you Brits are f***ed

Yes because that is not a moving target, and can wait for the weather.


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"William Tasso" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
> Ian Rawlings <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > services,
>
> Ahh - I was picking up on a story about using the new facilities to verify
> whether conservatories and other home 'improvements' had been declared to
> the rating authorities - my bad - I assumed that would use visual data.
>
> > it sounds like you're off on an area-51-style fantasy.
>
> could be
>
> --
> William Tasso
>
> 110 V8

Larry wrote:
> If I were you I would be more paranoid about the government spying on
> the internet trawling for people who are talking about guns and
> revolution.
>
>
>
> "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Larry wrote:
>>
>> Why "yes but"?
>>
>> Huw

I shall just spoof my email address, that'll foil them?

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it."

If at first you don't succeed,
maybe skydiving's not for you!

Larry wrote:
> What few people realise is that in pre industrial Britain there were
> few places to hide, the population was much smaller and people did
> not travel much therefore if you were wandering outside of your
> parish you could easily fall foul of the vagrancy laws just for being
> a stranger in the wrong place in a village full of paranoid people.
> You could end up being whipped from one end of the village to the
> other, put in the stocks, branded or worse.
>
> I think with this sort of thing there is safety in numbers as the
> average driver is too insignificant to be noticed even when blatantly
> committing repeat offences.
>
> We have had this sort of big brother thing for a long time, look at
> the way that TV licence legislation works, the assumption is that any
> house that does not have a licence must contain someone who is
> watching TV illegally. I recall I used to get regular reminders
> trying to get me to buy a second licence when I was running a
> business from home, and yet still there are people who have never
> been caught out using a TV illegally.
>
> At one time you needed a licence for a radio, but that was abandoned
> when people stopped buying them with the advent of cheap go anywhere
> transistor radios, simply too many offenders so the law was
> considered unenforcable.
>
> For me, I am pretty sure that no-one is going to clone my vehicle
> succesfully, and I am quite sure I can prove whether any photo is
> genuinly of my car or not, notwithstanding the need is still there to
> prove who was driving if an offence is observed to have been
> committed.
>

Huh?
Currently, you as the registered keeper, receive a notice of intended persecution
requiring you to admit you were driving, in accepted contravention of the Uropean
Law on Umane Rites. Namely thou shalt not lawfully be required to incriminate
yourself. PC (Privy Council) under the great leader TB decided it was 'in the
better public good' for that law (HR) to be disregarded!



> There are plenty of ways for smart lawyers round practically
> everything,
>
> Besides not all number plates will be machine readable, for instance
> in heavily congested areas where traffic is bumper to bumper you
> won't see most of them for the car infront or behind.
>
> Anyway if my landie is ever stolen, at least I can have some idea of
> where it has been.
>
> Anything that drives uninsured drivers off the road has to be a good
> thing, there are too many victims of hit and run accidents.
>
>
>
> "aghasee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0111/p01s01-woeu.html?s=itm
>>
>> <quote>
>>
>> In regional trial runs, the number of arrests per officer shot up
>> from around 10 per year to 100 per year. Convictions also increased.
>>
>> </quote>



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On 2006-01-13, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> Yes because that is not a moving target, and can wait for the weather.

I've not seen any references to using Galileo to spot conservatories,
or even of the satellites having any camera gear on board at all.

There was a spacecraft called "Galileo" that had camera gear on board
but that was an explorer craft sent out to Jupiter in 1989, and there
was some references to John "I don't pay council tax" Prescott
waffling on about using satellites to spot unauthorised extensions.

I reckon someone's gotten a bit information-happy and lumped three
stories into one then built a one-way tracking system up into a visual
tracking system that can track individual cars across the UK!

If anyone has any *credible* sources of information about visual
tracking on the Galileo GPS equivalent satellites, do please post a
URL.

As far as I can see, it offers precision positioning information of
various grades and a slow downlink facility for companies to allow
them to reach pager-like devices all over the world, but that's it.
Hardly sinister, it's what's done with receiving tracking devices that
can be worrying but that's true of current GPS.

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On 2006-01-13, GbH <[email protected]> wrote:

> I shall just spoof my email address, that'll foil them?

Or use mixmaster to send email and post to news, that's a beeatch to
try and trace even with direct mixmaster node monitoring. I really
must get around to setting a node up sometime, despite not having a
need for it myself. Hell I don't even spamtrap my email address!

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Ian Rawlings wrote:
> As an example, the Hubble Space Telescope can't even resolve objects
> smaller than about 10 metres on the moon.

There are images of tracks on the moon taken by one of the recent probes
(Clementine ?)

It is well known that Hubble isn't the only 2 metre scope in orbit, just
the only one pointing out....

Steve

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:00:21 +0000, Steve
<[email protected]> wrote:

>There are images of tracks on the moon taken by one of the recent probes

Fakes. Where's the kin landing craft then? It's all a big conspir...

[click]

Ian Rawlings wrote:

> I'm sure there will be an option to avoid having it in the car, but
> you pay more money.

If they go ahead with GPS-linked road pricing there won't be a choice -
unless you don't drive. Push bikes may be exempt until their use becomes
too widespread.

On 2006-01-13, Steve <[email protected]> wrote:

> There are images of tracks on the moon taken by one of the recent
> probes (Clementine ?)

Images of things that have been tentatively labelled as "tracks", but
they're 75 feet wide so I don't think that was anything left by the
astronauts! They were taken from the Lunar Orbiter. On the images
I've seen, the tracks are barely visible because the camera's
resolution is, again, too low to make out anything small.

The Clementine probe is well-known in Capricorn-1 freak circles,
including photos showing a 30-mile wide "replica of the Pentagon"
proving a manned base on the moon (...), but it's a fuzzy blob due to
the resolution limitations of the camera.

Mars Global Surveyor can pick up objects of 1-2 metres on Mars
though. Still not good enough to track a car, just register that a
sort-of-car-shaped-thing is there. A normal car would be
approximately a 2x1 pixel line.

> It is well known that Hubble isn't the only 2 metre scope in orbit,
> just the only one pointing out....

I just hope they point it away when the sun's behind it ;-)

(yes I know, I'm only joking)

Anyhow, I've not seen any references to camera technology in the
Galileo satellite constellation so quite why we're still going on
about this subject I don't know!

I expect it's possible to get high-enough resolving powers to make out
a car, but making it out reliably enough to track it and prove that
it's the right car, never mind read a numberplate, while
simultaneously having enough controllable cameras or field of view to
track hundreds of cars across the country is pie-in-the-sky rather
than spy-in-the-sky.

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Richard Brookman wrote:

> After all, if you
> have nothing to hide, why would you object to a massive ID number painted to
> your roof? It's only there to help the Police...

You can take your tongue out of your cheek now, Rich.

On 2006-01-13, Dougal <DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote:

> If they go ahead with GPS-linked road pricing there won't be a choice -
> unless you don't drive. Push bikes may be exempt until their use becomes
> too widespread.

What I mean is the financial incentives for people to agree to do it,
until the critical mass becomes large enough for it to be forced on
everyone. They won't just splash it out across the country
immediately, it'll start off slow, e.g. insurance companies offering
lower premiums if you have a tracked car (already happening in
trials), then there will be some roads and cities that will become
toll zones with lower tolls for tracked cars, and move out from there
until critical mass is reached.

Chances are it'll be transponders before GPS I reckon, at least in
some areas. I'm reckoning on a 20-year timescale before it becomes
compulsory, if the population don't reject it first. I expect it's
part of the justification for the cost of the Galileo constellation.

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Dougal wrote:
>
> Erik-Jan Geniets wrote:
>
> > So, Big Brother comes to life....
> > Erik-Jan.
>
> Big Brother has been here for years and is getter healthier by the day
> under this government.


It ain't any better here!! (Netherlands)
Erik-Jan.

Huw wrote:

> Larry wrote:
>
>>If I were you I would be more paranoid about the government spying on
>>the internet trawling for people who are talking about guns and
>>revolution.
>>
>
> But we have a relatively benign Government at the moment,

Benign? - this is the most meddling, intrusive, money-grabbing,
dishonest (enough, enough..) Government that I've experienced in my
lifetime.

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:43:59 +0000, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> scribbled the following nonsense:

>On 2006-01-13, William Tasso <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Galileo satellite system will be capturing/providing visual imagery
>> as well as positioning services - in-vehicle technology is not
>> required to track location.
>
>I doubt that very very much indeed, resolution of that depth is
>extremely expensive indeed, and getting it to cover an area as wide as
>the UK wouldn't be possible.
>
>As an example, the Hubble Space Telescope can't even resolve objects
>smaller than about 10 metres on the moon. NASA fake-moon-landing
>freaks often point to the lack of images of the Apollo moon landing
>sites from Hubble as proof of fakery, but even that thing can't
>resolve enough detail. The whole moon landing site would show up as
>one pixel. The Hubble replacement won't be able to do it either
>apparently. And this is without an atmosphere and clouds etc to
>complicate matters.
>
>> I have no idea if the resolution is good enough for unassisted number
>> plate recognition.
>
>Not unless we have to put mile-long reg plates on the roof of the car
>;-)

If you know where to look when you use google earth, you can even
identify Grumble on the high res images.....
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Peterborough 4x4 Club Newsletter Editor and Webmaster
Green Lane Association (GLASS) Financial Director
101 Ambi, undergoing camper conversion www.simoni.co.uk
1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an offer!
Suzuki SJ410 (Wife's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT
Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next
1993 200 TDi Discovery
1994 200 TDi Discovery body sheel, being bobbed and modded.....

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:38:51 +0000 (UTC), Simon Isaacs
<[email protected]> wrote:

>If you know where to look when you use google earth, you can even
>identify Grumble on the high res images.....

Infamy, infamy, they've all got it....

What a carry-on!

....and Dougal spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...


> Richard Brookman wrote:
>
>> After all, if you
>> have nothing to hide, why would you object to a massive ID number
>> painted to your roof? It's only there to help the Police...
>
> You can take your tongue out of your cheek now, Rich.

<thwok>

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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:17:21 +0000, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
wrote:

>On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:00:21 +0000, Steve
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>There are images of tracks on the moon taken by one of the recent probes
>
>Fakes. Where's the kin landing craft then? It's all a big conspir...
>
>[click]

http://www.charlottehobbs.com/gallery/Oddments

Third squiggle from the left... Obvious when you see it.

--
Tim Hobbs

On 2006-01-15, Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote:

> http://www.charlottehobbs.com/gallery/Oddments
>
> Third squiggle from the left... Obvious when you see it.

Cheers, you can still see the wheelie bins they left up there!

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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:38:51 +0000 (UTC), Simon Isaacs
<[email protected]> wrote:

>If you know where to look when you use google earth, you can even
>identify Grumble on the high res images.....

haha. I've just wasted half an hour 101 hunting on google earth

Mine is hidden under a tree I think (or the picture is a tad too old).
Every other one i know round here is not in a decently covered area
and its all a blur

On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:44:01 +0000, Tom Woods <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:38:51 +0000 (UTC), Simon Isaacs
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>If you know where to look when you use google earth, you can even
>>identify Grumble on the high res images.....
>
>haha. I've just wasted half an hour 101 hunting on google earth
>
>Mine is hidden under a tree I think (or the picture is a tad too old).
>Every other one i know round here is not in a decently covered area
>and its all a blur

Mine's fairly clear, and there is a distinct purple blob in
Sheffield...

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Tim Hobbs