Freelander 1 wheels wont rotate freely

RWILKS · Sep 10, 2023

i need to get this old freelander onto trailer. the wheels wont rotate freely. its been stood for some time. i have had a wheel off to try to
free up, ( the calipers are off ). it wouldn't even move with a very strong bar. i've tried skids, no good. anybody got any ideas.

Alibro · Sep 10, 2023

Which are worse fronts or rears?

RWILKS · Sep 10, 2023

Alibro said:
Which are worse fronts or rears?

all

RWILKS · Sep 10, 2023

RWILKS said:
all

im thinking if the wheel brgs are all seized

saxavordian · Sep 10, 2023

If drivable, could drive in reverse to break the rust seal.
Alternatively does the trailer have winch unit.

Alibro · Sep 10, 2023

Does it still have the propshaft? If so you need to lift both fronts or both rears to get them to turn or you're fighting the 4WD.
With both fronts or rears in the air the diff will let them turn but can't with only one wheel lifted

Edit The problem is probably the rear shoes rusted on so a few knocks with a hammer required.

GrumpyGel · Sep 10, 2023

+1 its the rear shoes seized.

If its not, then the IRD must be and difficult to know how that could happen without shattering its case as it would have happened when moving.... and would then have to be lifted and dropped where ever it is now.

If the fronts moved a little when lifted, but won't turn any more than (say) 1/16th of a turn, then it is rear brakes. Confirmed by lifting the rear - one or (probably both) won't turn at all.

The props will need to be left on, to help free the rear brakes under engine power (if it starts).

RWILKS · Sep 10, 2023

saxavordian said:
If drivable, could drive in reverse to break the rust seal.
Alternatively does the trailer have winch unit.

yes i have a hand winch and an electric one, no eng. its being sripped for dipping and rebuild as EV.

RWILKS · Sep 10, 2023

Alibro said:
Does it still have the propshaft? If so you need to lift both fronts or both rears to get them to turn or you're fighting the 4WD.
With both fronts or rears in the air the diff will let them turn but can't with only one wheel lifted

Edit The problem is probably the rear shoes rusted on so a few knocks with a hammer required.

DONE that to rear whls

RWILKS · Sep 10, 2023

GrumpyGel said:
+1 its the rear shoes seized.

If its not, then the IRD must be and difficult to know how that could happen without shattering its case as it would have happened when moving.... and would then have to be lifted and dropped where ever it is now.

If the fronts moved a little when lifted, but won't turn any more than (say) 1/16th of a turn, then it is rear brakes. Confirmed by lifting the rear - one or (probably both) won't turn at all.

The props will need to be left on, to help free the rear brakes under engine power (if it starts).

no eng pwr 2day we tried whl skids, no go rubbish kit

GrumpyGel · Sep 10, 2023

RWILKS said:
no eng pwr 2day we tried whl skids, no go rubbish kit

Do the fronts rotate a little (in neutral) but the rears not at all?

Shippers · Sep 10, 2023

Stick 4 plastic trays under the wheels and winch on to trailer...or buy 4 cheap wheel dollys...

Alibro · Sep 11, 2023

RWILKS said:
yes i have a hand winch and an electric one, no eng. its being sripped for dipping and rebuild as EV.

WAIT WOT!!!!!
DON'T DO IT YOU PLONKER, IT WILL COST YOU A FORTUNE!!!!!

Unless that is you want a year or three of the best craic ever and some VERY rewarding moments.

Edit, ensure it is pre March 2001 to get free road tax

Alibro · Sep 11, 2023

RWILKS said:
DONE that to rear whls

You need to do it with the fronts too if it has a prop

RWILKS · Sep 11, 2023

Alibro said:
WAIT WOT!!!!!
DON'T DO IT YOU PLONKER, IT WILL COST YOU A FORTUNE!!!!!

Unless that is you want a year or three of the best craic ever and some VERY rewarding moments.

Edit, ensure it is pre March 2001 to get free road tax

I AM NOT A PLONKER YOU AHOLE, I AM A CLASS ONE CHIEF MARINE ENGINEER PLUS OTHER QUALIFICATIONS. THIS IS SOMETHING MY SONS & I HAVE DECIDED TO DO, WE HAVE ALREADY SOURCED PARTS & EQUIPMENT, WE HAVE BEEN TOLD
BY THE LOCAL COUNCIL THAT WE HAVE TO MOVE ALL THE VEHICLES. THE OTHER 4 VEHICLES I COULD MOVE EASILY. BEFORE
BECOMING AN ENGINEER I WAS AN RMC & SF. SO IF YOU CANT SPEAK TO PEOPLE WITH RESPECT , KEEP IT TO YOUR SELF.

RWILKS · Sep 11, 2023

RWILKS said:
I AM NOT A PLONKER YOU AHOLE, I AM A CLASS ONE CHIEF MARINE ENGINEER PLUS OTHER QUALIFICATIONS. THIS IS SOMETHING MY SONS & I HAVE DECIDED TO DO, WE HAVE ALREADY SOURCED PARTS & EQUIPMENT, WE HAVE BEEN TOLD
BY THE LOCAL COUNCIL THAT WE HAVE TO MOVE ALL THE VEHICLES. THE OTHER 4 VEHICLES I COULD MOVE EASILY. BEFORE
BECOMING AN ENGINEER I WAS AN RMC & SF. SO IF YOU CANT SPEAK TO PEOPLE WITH RESPECT , KEEP IT TO YOUR SELF.

AND I AM WELL AWARE OF THE COST

RWILKS · Sep 11, 2023

GrumpyGel said:
Do the fronts rotate a little (in neutral) but the rears not at all?

i tried the fronts with the front off the ground, no go

RWILKS · Sep 11, 2023

saxavordian said:
If drivable, could drive in reverse to break the rust seal.
Alternatively does the trailer have winch unit.

i have one tyre to change, then we are going to try pull it backwards with 2 cars

RWILKS · Sep 11, 2023

Shippers said:
Stick 4 plastic trays under the wheels and winch on to trailer...or buy 4 cheap wheel dollys...

tried the dolly wheels, no go

marjon · Sep 11, 2023

RWILKS said:
I AM NOT A PLONKER YOU AHOLE, I AM A CLASS ONE CHIEF MARINE ENGINEER PLUS OTHER QUALIFICATIONS. THIS IS SOMETHING MY SONS & I HAVE DECIDED TO DO, WE HAVE ALREADY SOURCED PARTS & EQUIPMENT, WE HAVE BEEN TOLD
BY THE LOCAL COUNCIL THAT WE HAVE TO MOVE ALL THE VEHICLES. THE OTHER 4 VEHICLES I COULD MOVE EASILY. BEFORE
BECOMING AN ENGINEER I WAS AN RMC & SF. SO IF YOU CANT SPEAK TO PEOPLE WITH RESPECT , KEEP IT TO YOUR SELF.

No need to shout

Maybe you should search @Alibro threads and then know what you are up against, and what he was saying (in jest).

I am a V8 man so forget it, I am not converted yet but, I will say more power to your elbow for trying it

J

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