Freelander vs Range Rover off road flex test....

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Just for fun..... :)

There was a small test trench in the field, so thought, might as well drive through it.

Nothing too extreme or serious, but a good demonstration of the vehicles suspension and traction.


Range Rover p38a 4.6 on coils with 4"+ lift and +2" shocks and slightly larger 255/70R16 MTs and 4 wheel factory Traction Control.

I was worried that the side step and mud flaps might cause an issue. The autobox and low 1st made dropping into the hole a smooth, controlled and easy process.

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Amazingly the side step and mud flap didn't touch anything. And the vehicle seemed completely clear all round.

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The front spoiler was pretty close to the ground, according to the handbook you are meant to take it off when off roading. But I've not ever hit it on the ground.

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Showing some nice flex at the rear and all wheels firmly planted on the ground:
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Now we needed to drive out, which it did on tickover and no bother at all and no use of the TCS. The rear wheel rolled into the hole with equal little drama or effort.

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I was concerned that the bumper and exhaust would hit the ground as there is quite a bit of overhang on a p38 and it does catch the ground on the bumper/exhaust when off roading. But it all cleared fine. Even the tow hitch!

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The front flexed well too, although nothing really looked maxed out on either axle either time. Still some compression and droop available.

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It also drove straight out again with almost no fuss at all.


Now for the Freelander. A stock Td4 manual with the factory TCS. So maybe slightly biased to the RR as it has different shocks/springs. But it is what it is.

Getting the Freelander into the hole was more difficult, lack of low range meant you couldn't go as slow, but the ground had lots of small stumps, so you needed feet on the throttle and clutch pedal as well as the brake at the same time. You also can't see the Freelanders front wheel, you seem to sit more inboard with less visibility. The Range Rover you could lean out and see the tyre.

The Freelander didn't roll down into the hole, but neither did it drop (which is what I thought it would do). It actually got hung up on the mud guard and bent it nearly 90 degrees backwards and stopped! With some TCS encouragement it did eventually end up in the hole though.

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Now you can't really see from this picture, but the front wheel hadn't reached the bottom of the hole, it was sort of floating....
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Walk round the other side and the rear wheel was off the deck too.
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One would assume that the Freelander is sitting on its sill or belly, that would make sense??

But no, as you can see there is clear light all the way beneath the vehicle:
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It was somehow sitting on just 2 wheels. And if you grabbed the vehicle you could rock it back and forth.


Now to drive out of the hole. This is an area where the Freelander is really let down. No low range!!!!! So you have 2 wheels spinning, you need to wait and maybe increase the revs a bit. Its a manual, so I tried completely off of the clutch. And even at 2500rpm, as soon as the TCS bit and tried to move the opposite wheels not spinning it would stall the engine. So the only real option is to slip the clutch.

It required a reasonable amount of TCS encouragement and as soon as it decided to transfer power around it shot off like a scalded cat. I stamped on the brakes as soon as I physically could and only just stopped with the rear wheel inches away from plummeting at speed into the hole! Again really showing up the limitations of not having low range. And quite a stink of slipped clutch to boot!

At a more sedate and controlled pace, we drove then drove the rear wheel into the hole.

Impressively no part of the bumper or body touched the ground though:
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Predictably the rear wheel wasn't at the bottom of the hole, but was floating in the air:
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And I assume that the front passenger wheel would also be dangling in the air too, but it was not:
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You could still rock the car into the hole, but clearly the dynamics of a real wheel dropping are different to a front wheel dropping.

Driving back out still required use of the TCS, however it made much easier work than it did with the front wheel in the hole.


Conclusion

Well clearly live axles, long travel flexy suspension and low range make a huge difference to the controllability and shear ease to drive a vehicle off road. The RR also has 4 wheel TCS so doesn't loose out on that count either, not that it needed in this situation. But I have to say, I'm quite impressed with the Freelander. It held every disadvantage, yet was still able to drive the obstacle. I'm not sure how much punishment the front mud flaps would take at being bent in the manner that they did. But ultimately it did make it through and demonstrated that as long that you have traction control (or lockers), independent suspension can get you places. But it was a lot more work and effort and less enjoyable with higher stress levels. I think had it been wet, even if the Freelander had MT's then this would be much more of a challenge. The shear revs required to extract itself mean you are at high risk of making a mistake or something else going wrong.

I would be interested to repeat this with some taller tyres and maybe a 40mm lift on the Freelander. Ground clearance wasn't an issue for this obstacle. So I'm not sure a lift would offer a huge amount in this scenario. But it would be good to try.

If anyone is in the Beds/Bucks area with a modded Freelander, feel free to PM me if you'd like to give it a go.



And for completeness, we did put a Ninety through here too.

33's, +2 shocks and +2" standard rate springs:
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It "almost" lifted a rear wheel but not quite. But didn't slip or spin a wheel.

I also took my stock suspension Jimny through. A bit more mud flap flexing....

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It mostly kept its wheels on the ground, but didn't flex as well as the Land Rover and the rear is slightly off the ground.
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The Jimny also needed a bit of TCS encouragement and it did sit on its side bar and skid plate. But due to having low range was a lot less fuss and easier to drive through than the Freelander was.
 
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Not really fair putting stock against modified.

But it’s conclusive that a Jimmy is better than a Freelander :p .

J
 
FL1's very underrated. I see the rice burner has AT tyres as well, what tyres are on the FL ?
Coopers, forget which tread. One of the winter ones, they aren't bad tbh. But its bone dry out. Tyre type would make almost no difference at the mo. In the wet on this soil a massive difference however.
 
But it’s conclusive that a Jimmy is better than a Freelander :p .

J
For sure its better itss designed to be.

Which wpuld you want to do a 400 mile jpurney in? Carry 5 adults? Tow the boat for the summer hols? Get parts for? Fill with stuff to take down the tip?

And still get into and out of that hole?
 
For sure its better itss designed to be.

Which wpuld you want to do a 400 mile jpurney in? Carry 5 adults? Tow the boat for the summer hols? Get parts for? Fill with stuff to take down the tip?

And still get into and out of that hole?
Well I can see your point.

so yes I would agree the P38 would do all those things with ease;).

J
 
Well I can see your point.

so yes I would agree the P38 would do all those things with ease;).

J
The "get parts for" bit is (usually) more frequent than the F1, more expensive than the F1, heavier more cumbersome and difficult to remove/fit than the F1.

Hows that lovely air suspension? How any bags? Then converted to springs? How much was that, how much effort was that? Oh and over here it would need to be certified? How much is that, and the likelyhood of something getting pinged?

Horses for courses.

I've been in a P38 hooning it up a river bed up in the mountains, middle of nowhere hours from tar seal - it was fookin exciting - huge dollops of fun. But I don't have to pay to keep the thing on the road :D
 
For sure its better itss designed to be.

Which wpuld you want to do a 400 mile jpurney in? Carry 5 adults? Tow the boat for the summer hols? Get parts for? Fill with stuff to take down the tip?

And still get into and out of that hole?
I find the Jimny more comfortable to sit in. As you know I have another thread about the Freelander’s seats. But it’s not just that. It is the entire driving position I also don’t get on with. To operate the clutch pedal correctly I end up with the steering wheel far too close for my liking. Yet I still have to dip my left shoulder to get the gearstick.

I’m not saying it is terrible or anything. But overall I do not find the driving position very good at all. Maybe it fits people of different proportions better. The Jimny is hugely comfortable from a driving position point of view. Ride wise the Freelander is better. But the Jimny is more than acceptable. Mpg they are pretty similar despite the Jimny being petrol.

The FL can tow slightly more 2000kg vs 1300kg. But the Jimny actually tows pretty well. Have done long trips in both vehicles.
 
I find the Jimny more comfortable to sit in. As you know I have another thread about the Freelander’s seats. But it’s not just that. It is the entire driving position I also don’t get on with. To operate the clutch pedal correctly I end up with the steering wheel far too close for my liking. Yet I still have to dip my left shoulder to get the gearstick.

I’m not saying it is terrible or anything. But overall I do not find the driving position very good at all. Maybe it fits people of different proportions better. The Jimny is hugely comfortable from a driving position point of view. Ride wise the Freelander is better. But the Jimny is more than acceptable. Mpg they are pretty similar despite the Jimny being petrol.

The FL can tow slightly more 2000kg vs 1300kg. But the Jimny actually tows pretty well. Have done long trips in both vehicles.
Can the P38 tow "slightly more" that the F1?

Of course not, it can tow a lot, over 50%, more. As can the F1 over the Jimny. Its bound to, its heavier, its got a longer wheel base, it (the TD4) has twice as much torque as the little 1.4 petrol.

If you towed what I've towed illegally with my F1, a Jimny would literally **** itself if it managed to even move it. If you towed what I've towed legally, you'd probably be off the side of the mountain.

I love the little Jimnys, wish LR did something like it. But it can't be a tow machine.

I'm surprised the Jimny's MPG is no better than the Freelander. The K Series isn't to far off the diesels (probably cheaper to run given the prices of the fuels) and probably better than an auto TD4.
 
Can the P38 tow "slightly more" that the F1?

Of course not, it can tow a lot, over 50%, more. As can the F1 over the Jimny. Its bound to, its heavier, its got a longer wheel base, it (the TD4) has twice as much torque as the little 1.4 petrol.

If you towed what I've towed illegally with my F1, a Jimny would literally **** itself if it managed to even move it. If you towed what I've towed legally, you'd probably be off the side of the mountain.

I love the little Jimnys, wish LR did something like it. But it can't be a tow machine.

I'm surprised the Jimny's MPG is no better than the Freelander. The K Series isn't to far off the diesels (probably cheaper to run given the prices of the fuels) and probably better than an auto TD4.
I don't have a handbook to hand, but Google says 1800 or 2000kg for the Freelander 1. Assuming 2 tonne, that is less than 50% more than the Jimny and at most is only 700kg..... You would be unlikely to legally use a Freelander to tow a transporter trailer with another Freelander on.

Obviously the Jimny cannot tow as much and it is less powerful. But I was surprised at how well it towed:
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Caravan plated at 1280kg.

Did some pretty good hills too on a trip to South Wales and back.

I'm sure the Freelander would tow it just as well/better. But the Jimny was surprisingly able.

MPG wise, the Jimny does 32-39mpg as a low/high. With an average of 34-35mpg. The Freelander is diesel and I have seen 42mpg once from it. But usually is it more in the 34-37mpg range. Diesel costs more in the UK than petrol currently, so pence per mile wise they are very close.

The Range Rover on the other hand is best at everything but is bigger to park and only does 14-17mpg.
 
I don't have a handbook to hand, but Google says 1800 or 2000kg for the Freelander 1. Assuming 2 tonne, that is less than 50% more than the Jimny and at most is only 700kg..... You would be unlikely to legally use a Freelander to tow a transporter trailer with another Freelander on.

Obviously the Jimny cannot tow as much and it is less powerful. But I was surprised at how well it towed:
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Caravan plated at 1280kg.

Did some pretty good hills too on a trip to South Wales and back.

I'm sure the Freelander would tow it just as well/better. But the Jimny was surprisingly able.

MPG wise, the Jimny does 32-39mpg as a low/high. With an average of 34-35mpg. The Freelander is diesel and I have seen 42mpg once from it. But usually is it more in the 34-37mpg range. Diesel costs more in the UK than petrol currently, so pence per mile wise they are very close.

The Range Rover on the other hand is best at everything but is bigger to park and only does 14-17mpg.
You would be laughed out of town and deported if you used a Jimny to tow that van over here :D

A not uncommon sight would be to see a Jimny towed behind a motor home.

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I prefer to call it "borderline legal" ;)

As would that van on the Jimny if you filled the gas bottle and put some bedding in it.
 
Not really fair putting stock against modified.

But it’s conclusive that a Jimmy is better than a Freelander :p .

J
Just goes to show how many mods yer need on a big freelander to make it as good as a propper freelander.
 
Here you are @300bhp/ton - I was reading up about a bridge that's being built to replace one that collapsed in the 2016 Kaikoura earthquake. This is the location of the (ex) bridge. The road in the foreground is the approach from the south, the road hugging the bottom of the escarpment on the left is the northern approach to the missing bridge. You can see that the quake not only took out the bridge, but the land shift has totally changed the course of the river. I imagine by the colour of the water, this was taken fairly soon after the quake...

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As the bridge has gone, locals have had to use drastic measures for 7 years to get to and from their homes.... in their trusty Jimnys...

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OK, its previous model, but the current one may not have been released when those pics were taken.
 
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