To LEZ or not to LEZ...that is the question......

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Saint.V8

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Had an email from the previous owner of our Ninety.....('88 Ninety Truck Cab)

He has had a warning letter from TfL that the vehicle doesn't meet the LEZ requirements and he/we have 28 days to comply with the requirements else a PCN will be charged.

Now, I went on the LEZ website and put the reg number in and it comes up saying exempt.

But according to the letter sent, that 4x4 light utility vehicles and pick-ups from 1.206 tonnes ULW to 3.5 tonnes GVW will have to meet Euro III emissions.

So whats the game??

Does anyone know whats what as I am going round in circles on the TfL website trying to get information!??

I work at near LHR and our office is just in the zone, so if it is indeed subject to the LEZ what can be done? I have heard of getting particulate filters fitted, has anyone had any experience of this??

Got til mid Feb to sort something out!! gonna try calling TfL tomoz and ask, but That could be just another headache...!!!
 
i had a similar problem with my company van they put a blanket ban on certain age vans my mates one was same van but 6 months newer, exempt mine wasnt same van same engine blah blah blah.

to get it modded i had to use an approved company they wanted 2k to do it and every time its moted you need to have a vosa check done as well for 100 quid a go each and every year the vosa check does not measure emmissions and was a smoke test only.

sold it to some one out side the m25 and bought a newer van next time they change the rules im gonna close down and sign on ;)

good luck trying to get sense out of tfl

So whats the game??

Does anyone know whats what as I am going round in circles on the TfL website trying to get information!??

I work at near LHR and our office is just in the zone, so if it is indeed subject to the LEZ what can be done? I have heard of getting particulate filters fitted, has anyone had any experience of this??

Got til mid Feb to sort something out!! gonna try calling TfL tomoz and ask, but That could be just another headache...!!![/quote]
 
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Found this....confused, they say use the Online Checker to see if your vehicle is exempt....which it says it is...but the info below say it isn't....

Light 4x4 utility vehicles

There are many types of light 4x4 utility vehicle. It is their classification (decided by the manufacturer and the European Union) that determines whether they're affected by the LEZ or not.

Light 4x4 utility vehicles classed as cars are not affected by the LEZ. Those classed as commercial vehicles are subject to the LEZ.

Any vehicle designed to carry goods, or more than nine passengers, is classed as a commercial vehicle, even it's only used for recreational purposes.

These include:

All models of pick-up vehicles, including dual cab pick-ups
Commercial or 'panel van' variants of light utility vehicles (these can be identified by having a goods-carrying capacity in place of seating and metal panels in place of windows)
Light utility vehicles that have more than eight passenger seats
If your light utility vehicle is subject to the LEZ, then you can find out about your options.

If you think that your light 4x4 utility vehicle has been classified incorrectly, please check with the DVLA.

If you have any queries, please contact us on 0343 222 1111 (TfL call charges).

Land Rovers

We have worked with Land Rover to establish which vehicles with the body type of 'Light 4x4 Utility Vehicle' are subject to the LEZ. Vehicles manufactured before 1973 are considered to be 'historic' vehicles and are exempt from the LEZ.

The vehicles listed below are subject to the LEZ standards:

All Defenders; 88s, 90s, 109s, 110s, 127 and 130s (except station wagon variants see below)
All Defenders manufactured with 10 or more seats including the driver's seat
Freelander Commercial
Discovery or Discovery Series 2 Commercial
Conversions (eg ambulance, motor home)
The following vehicles are not subject to LEZ as they are classed as 'estates':

Defender, 88, 90, 109 and 110 station wagon variants up to nine seats inc the drivers
A small number of Defenders 90s and 110s may be a 'station wagon' but may not be classified as such by the DVLA. This means vehicles with side and rear windows manufactured with fixed seating throughout the vehicle including the area accessed via the back door and there are nine seats or less including the driver's seat. Please note that vehicles without fixed seating throughout will not be treated as an estate and will be subject to LEZ. Fixed seating means individual seats with seat belts. It does not include benches or homemade seating variants.

If your vehicle meets this criterion it will not be subject to the LEZ. In these circumstances if you intend to use the vehicle in the LEZ you need to:

For models registered from 1998 - correct the body type description, vehicle model details and/or number of seats with the DVLA and provide photographic proof
For models registered before 1998 - register your vehicle with TfL with suitable photographic proofs showing all sides of the vehicles with all doors open which clearly shows the entire internal seating arrangements.
Certain vehicles meet the Euro 3 standard because they are early adopters:

All Defenders, 90s, 110s, 127s and 130s manufactured after 6 August 2001
Freelander Commercial manufactured after 14 September 2000
Discovery or Discovery Series 2 Commercial manufactured after 2 July 2001
Conversions (eg ambulance, motor home) manufactured after 2 January 2002
We've updated our database to reflect these vehicles' emissions standards.

If you have a Land Rover which is not listed above, please contact us to find out if your vehicle is subject to LEZ.

What are the emissions standards?
The LEZ emissions standards are based on Euro standards for the emission of particulate matter (PM). PM is very fine particles of soot emitted by vehicles, which have an effect on health. This type of pollution can contribute to asthma, heart and lung disease, other respiratory illnesses and even early death.

Your vehicle needs to meet the Euro 3 standard for particulate matter.

Does my vehicle meet the standards?
The quickest way to check if your vehicle meets the current or new standards is to enter your registration plate into our vehicle checker.

Alternatively, you can use the vehicle type tool.

If your vehicle was registered any time before 1 January 2002, it won't meet the Euro 3 emissions standards without modification, so you'll need to take action if you want to drive within the LEZ without paying a daily charge.

Find out what your options are.

If your vehicle was registered on or after 1 January 2002, it will meet the Euro 3 emissions standards and you can drive within the LEZ without taking any action.
 
Go by your chassis No, if it's a station wagon the chassis No will denote that, I have a 2001 TD5 90 that is not compliant because it is a commercial/van a CSW is fine though. Mine is cleaner than an old disco but they are allowed in, don't make sense!
 
Surely if their website says you can go in, from your reg number, you can ring them and tell them where to go, see them in court etc etc? You have done your bit by going on the site and checking so how can they possibly fine you? It's not like you have just guessed.
 
Surely if their website says you can go in, from your reg number, you can ring them and tell them where to go, see them in court etc etc? You have done your bit by going on the site and checking so how can they possibly fine you? It's not like you have just guessed.


you are assuming a common sense approach from them on the matter that will never happen
 
The lez is a bloody con a 300tdi engine in. 90 is banned and disco is ok even though the engine and emissions etc is identical
 
Having just read this post and freaked....................... [one of the reasons I'm putting the 110 back on the road is because of the occasional London job] I checked the website and I'm exempt " this time" I'm exempt, I guess, because it's a V8 petrol, so I can run through London, just about hitting 15mpg, running no CATS and I'm alright? Go figure - so my advice - petrol conversions!
 
Just got off the phone with TfL LEZ people and expressed my great displeasure that I have received a warning notice of impending doom that I will get charged for entering the LEZ in the Ninety....

I explained that prior to purchasing the vehicle and knowing I work within the LEZ I took the TfL's website advice and checked using their online checker to see if the vehicle is or isn't exempt from the charge before committing to purchase.

The VRM Checker came back as exempt, so on this basis I purchased the vehicle.....

She used her system and checked the vehicle and it shows as non-compliant and is subject to the charge, then she also used the TfL's website VRM checker which shows it is exempt, she apologises for the confusion, but the internal system checks DVLA and VOSA records and that shows the vehicle is registered as a Light Utility Vehicle and as such is subject to the charge.

I explained that I did everything TfL asked me to do before I purchased the car, and the only tool I have is their online checker and based on this I parted with a substantial amount of money.

Even after receiving the warning notice, I tried to pay online for the daily charge and it won't let me as it says the vehicle is exempt and I don't need to pay, so even if I wanted to pay, I can't!!

She said she is going to escalate this to the upper echelons of the LEZ people and seek further clarification and she has made note that I bought the vehicle based on the available information. She said hopefully they will come back and consider the vehicle to be exempt, as all the information available before the purchase indicated it was such.

I asked what if they come back and say it is still non-compliant....I am thousands out of pocket with a ton and a half of British built vehicle I can't drive and I can't afford the reported £2500 for a special filter to be fitted, so I am left with a car I can't drive to work based on the information TfL gave me before purchase.

She said, she has made note of all this and will pass this up the ranks for consideration and they will come back to me with a decision.

I asked how long that will take as the warning letter gave me 4 weeks and the letter was issued on the 19th January, she said she has made note of the date the letter was issued, so hopefully they will get back to me before then.

Conversation ended with the usual pleasantries......

Hmmmmmmmmm..........Not holding out much hope, but maybe they will see it from my point of view that I used the tool they recommended to check my vehicle for compliance which said I was OK....and take pity on me....

What are the chances???
 
The lez is a bloody nightmare had to change my work van over it i live just out side the zone had no option, have heard of conflicting ok not ok they dont seam to know what there doing, good luck with your quest Ant.
 
Just got off the phone with TfL LEZ people and expressed my great displeasure that I have received a warning notice of impending doom that I will get charged for entering the LEZ in the Ninety....

I explained that prior to purchasing the vehicle and knowing I work within the LEZ I took the TfL's website advice and checked using their online checker to see if the vehicle is or isn't exempt from the charge before committing to purchase.

The VRM Checker came back as exempt, so on this basis I purchased the vehicle.....

She used her system and checked the vehicle and it shows as non-compliant and is subject to the charge, then she also used the TfL's website VRM checker which shows it is exempt, she apologises for the confusion, but the internal system checks DVLA and VOSA records and that shows the vehicle is registered as a Light Utility Vehicle and as such is subject to the charge.

I explained that I did everything TfL asked me to do before I purchased the car, and the only tool I have is their online checker and based on this I parted with a substantial amount of money.

Even after receiving the warning notice, I tried to pay online for the daily charge and it won't let me as it says the vehicle is exempt and I don't need to pay, so even if I wanted to pay, I can't!!

She said she is going to escalate this to the upper echelons of the LEZ people and seek further clarification and she has made note that I bought the vehicle based on the available information. She said hopefully they will come back and consider the vehicle to be exempt, as all the information available before the purchase indicated it was such.

I asked what if they come back and say it is still non-compliant....I am thousands out of pocket with a ton and a half of British built vehicle I can't drive and I can't afford the reported £2500 for a special filter to be fitted, so I am left with a car I can't drive to work based on the information TfL gave me before purchase.

She said, she has made note of all this and will pass this up the ranks for consideration and they will come back to me with a decision.

I asked how long that will take as the warning letter gave me 4 weeks and the letter was issued on the 19th January, she said she has made note of the date the letter was issued, so hopefully they will get back to me before then.

Conversation ended with the usual pleasantries......

Hmmmmmmmmm..........Not holding out much hope, but maybe they will see it from my point of view that I used the tool they recommended to check my vehicle for compliance which said I was OK....and take pity on me....

What are the chances???
Please please please forward this to watchdog or any other TV consumer programme. Good luck though. Its the kind of case I would go to court for and have Boris summoned to appear before the court.won't happen I know but this is happening all the time, unlawful parking fines etc. This cost us money and stress and as we have to prove our innocence and whatever it cost them, we are paying for that as well.
 
Just got off the phone with TfL LEZ people and expressed my great displeasure that I have received a warning notice of impending doom that I will get charged for entering the LEZ in the Ninety....

I explained that prior to purchasing the vehicle and knowing I work within the LEZ I took the TfL's website advice and checked using their online checker to see if the vehicle is or isn't exempt from the charge before committing to purchase.

The VRM Checker came back as exempt, so on this basis I purchased the vehicle.....

She used her system and checked the vehicle and it shows as non-compliant and is subject to the charge, then she also used the TfL's website VRM checker which shows it is exempt, she apologises for the confusion, but the internal system checks DVLA and VOSA records and that shows the vehicle is registered as a Light Utility Vehicle and as such is subject to the charge.

I explained that I did everything TfL asked me to do before I purchased the car, and the only tool I have is their online checker and based on this I parted with a substantial amount of money.

Even after receiving the warning notice, I tried to pay online for the daily charge and it won't let me as it says the vehicle is exempt and I don't need to pay, so even if I wanted to pay, I can't!!

She said she is going to escalate this to the upper echelons of the LEZ people and seek further clarification and she has made note that I bought the vehicle based on the available information. She said hopefully they will come back and consider the vehicle to be exempt, as all the information available before the purchase indicated it was such.

I asked what if they come back and say it is still non-compliant....I am thousands out of pocket with a ton and a half of British built vehicle I can't drive and I can't afford the reported £2500 for a special filter to be fitted, so I am left with a car I can't drive to work based on the information TfL gave me before purchase.

She said, she has made note of all this and will pass this up the ranks for consideration and they will come back to me with a decision.

I asked how long that will take as the warning letter gave me 4 weeks and the letter was issued on the 19th January, she said she has made note of the date the letter was issued, so hopefully they will get back to me before then.

Conversation ended with the usual pleasantries......

Hmmmmmmmmm..........Not holding out much hope, but maybe they will see it from my point of view that I used the tool they recommended to check my vehicle for compliance which said I was OK....and take pity on me....

What are the chances???

As I mentioned earlier, if your chassis No states it's light utility then unfortunately I think you are screwed. They may be human and let you off any charges you have incurred but doubt they will exempt it in future.good luck.
 
Surely that's the problem? Chassis no is just that. It I'd,s that chassis. It doesn't show any mods that have happened on it. Common sense has to intervene here surely.
If I were to build a kit car that required a particular chassis but run a toyota prious? Engine but the chassis came under the non exempt ruling, what would I do then?hyperthetical I know.
 
Surely that's the problem? Chassis no is just that. It I'd,s that chassis. It doesn't show any mods that have happened on it. Common sense has to intervene here surely.
If I were to build a kit car that required a particular chassis but run a toyota prious? Engine but the chassis came under the non exempt ruling, what would I do then?hyperthetical I know.

It would be on a Q plate and that is a whole new can of worms
 
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