stuck

Wondering to myself whether 16 months on if it is still sitting there half way up the mountain?

 

everyone likes to look good its human nature, as a digger driver ive no doubt youve an idea about recovery etc but many work in offices etc and have no real experience

 

i help many on here, you tell me i dont because lz is a community,but im not going to stroke you or mhm ego to ask others to take risks

 

well yes how is rushing to helping a first post chancer a community thing looks like ego stroking

 

I know you help many and you do so very well , that's how you help the community. Others help in different ways. There's no pressure as to what type of help any give.

The ego comments are unnecessary, I've defended you from such comments in the past because others didn't like how you give to the community.

 

One last time.

We have changed how we do things largely because of issues that came to a head in this thread, rightful criticism and much discussion and consultation.

I'm not interested in personal issues in the context of LZIR.

 

Then they should be even more cautious than me as I push the limits of machinery on a daily basis because I know just how far I can from experience.

I understand that people who do not deal with recovery situations will have a limited grasp of what they are doing but they are the ones that have the call, they are the ones that can easily stand up and make the point that they are unsure and are not confident in doing it, there is no shame in admitting that it is beyond your capability, it has to be said that very seldom are there that many incidents here that have ever needed more than a simple recovery rope and a sturdy tow point, winching is seldom ever required and even then, any recovery must be assessed and scrutinized as well as having the advantage of alternate opinions available for discussion.

The one post wonders are of little interest for me to help unless it's on my doorstep and an easy pull, the more a stuck member has contributed the further out of my way I am prepared to go.

I've no shortage of recovery gear and a competent vehicle to do it with but I'm not giving up the goods on the first date for no one.

 

lol, im sure theres a few left wing extremists dont like my input unless it helps their land rover issue, id think your attacks counter your defence though grateful as im sure i am

 

thats just drivel unfortunately

 

Please try and drop the personal stuff, this is LZIR not AG.

I'm talking about attacks and accusations of ego from other pro mechanics that resented the amount of tech support you provide.

 

i was never commenting on personal issues maybe you are , i was talking on reality

 

you make it so ie personal i was making points

 

You have repeatedly made the same point that has since been addressed to the best of our ability with wide consultantion in with other members.

I can't stop you from thinking it's all an ego boost for Daft and I but I am going to ask you to stop making the same points based on old threads that no longer apply.

It doesn't help or add anything.

 

As others have said this is an old thread and changes in the way we operate have been made. While eye can appreciate yer concern, yer have picked the worse case fred. Most of lzir volentry work relates ter needing a fool pump, spanner or lift ter alford's fer a part. It is rare we're called out to conditions such as this fred was started for.

Yer points are valid but yer have also proven even peeps who have training make mistakes and risk killing themselves. On said occasion "trained" peeps made mistakes which should not of happened. There seems ter be an implied suggestion from yer post that MSA training gives yer some sort of professional standing of which we can only aspire too. It doesn't and anyone thinking this is foolish. It's no different to any other subject being tested. You passed the course when being tested on said ocasion. It doesn't mean you will always pass int future or never make mistakes. It doesn't mean yer will always follow best practice. You were "flying through the air" because you as a team were doing something wrong. That's professionals making mistakes, not realising the limits of their ability or simply no following the good practice they should have.

Incidents like said flying happened fer a reason. They don't happen by accident. It would be unwise ter preach to lzir about skill levels and ability when on that occasion you did not meet yer own required standards.

 

Yeah I'm not gonna read all that. Basically you've missed the point. Never mind.

 

So I've caught up and apart from the personal whiskey and tramadol fueled ramblings there isn't really any points being made. There's also a glaring admission that no one is mentioning. We now consider if the place, that's the location not the vehicle, is somewhere we could or more importantly should get to. There are alot of places we can get to but overriding all of that is should we. I'm of the position that if we shouldn't be there we won't be going there. Simple as that. This is just a insight into the discussions held on the private parts of the forum. Anyone with in put in the public sections which is relevant will be considered.

 

So as far as I can see.
"If in doubt, don't"
And get some training.
Fair enough.

 

Hippo, you are absolutely right about nearly 99% of what you said in this post. But I would contest the quote about "preaching". I used the example of my flight to underline exactly what you said about even professionals occasionally making mistakes. The guy who tied off the rope, not me, knew not enough about knots and lashings. I should have checked it before going down using it and I didn't. My mistake. So there you are two mistakes. On your point about only being OK on the day of the test is of course valid, as it is for any test. But MSA operatives have to do training and testing once a year, this was exactly what was going on at the time. I am not preaching about my skill levels or anything else to do with myself, I am only using myself as an example. By the way MSA recovery people are not necessarily professionals, I certainly was not, nor was my crew chief, in fact thinking about it I only knew of one crew that was. You said I was giving the impression or implying that my MSA training gave me some sort of professional standing which others can only aspire to. No, I did not say that, I just gave it as an example in which people, amateurs, can get very inexpensive training in a fun way. In case they were not aware of it. I am not here to big myself up, I am posting to try and help others.

But in their own humorous way, others have posted saying I should front up and register myself with LZIR. I haven't done this in the past because I am only in the UK during the 6 winter months, but as the "I" stands for international, and I am in France for the other 6 months, I will now ask if I can be registered. So there you go. I now only have a limited amount of kit but if someone with lots more kit goes on a shout and I come along, I would hope I could be more than just a tiny bit useful. As you said most of the shouts are just for running around type stuff and I am as willing to do that as anyone else.

So please can a dispatcher or someone get in touch and tell me how to go about it?

Thanks

Stan

 

Don’t forget that LZIR covers the complete spectrum from taking a flask of coffee and keeping someone company to the full blown “tug of war”. As had been mentioned before, the important thing is it is not mandatory and that anyone should only do what they are happy and comfortable with. The only “pressure”, if you want to call it that is, having volunteered and being in the vicinity, it is only courteous to respond by txt or online to a call, so that we still know we can call on you, or not. A lot of peeps have signed up and then buggered off, never to be heard of again. Which means you may be contacted. If you respond and say “feck orf, I don’t wanna do it again”, we can remove you from the database.

 

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