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P38A Starter motor

Discussion in 'Range Rover' started by Grrrrrr, May 27, 2019.

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  1. Grrrrrr

    Grrrrrr Technician, Bodgit & Scarper Ltd Full Member

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    Am I right in thinking there are just the 2 types of starter motor for the p38? The v8 one and the one for the diesel, ERR5445? Any other permutations? Think the early v8 ones were Lucas but switched to something else later, possibly Bosch. Think all the diesels had Bosch ones?

    Wondering because on the manual diesel the clutch pipe support bracket sits either side of the lower starter bolt.

    Cheers,

    J

    PS. Only saw 2 on Rimmers and Island-4x4 websites!
     
  2. RangeRoller dt

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    RangeRoller dt Well-Sprung Member

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    Was silver/black in my thread but cant see fitment, is blue now for protection as I had can in shed so hard to tell
    https://www.landyzone.co.uk/land-rover/2-5-diesel-starter-motor.343235/

    Try marrying it up without this bracket first -
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    I forgot to put it on first time, and would have thought it didn’t fit if it wasn’t same unit. There is plenty of room though? As long as (green) locator pin and bolts match up
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  4. Grrrrrr

    Grrrrrr Technician, Bodgit & Scarper Ltd Full Member

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    RangeRoller dt Well-Sprung Member

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    But you can’t find that one to buy??

    Mine is off a BMW car with M51.

    As far as I know all Diesel P38’s were fitted with same unit - only oem/aftermarket variations - not used by LR themselves. I would expect them to use Bosch
     
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    Grrrrrr Technician, Bodgit & Scarper Ltd Full Member

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    Yes, was sent the wrong one but ordered another. Then it occurred to me there might be other variants I am not aware of.
     
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    You may want to document this as there is squat regarding M51 SM in search bar (30 old threads no answers) and I only documented a zero cost refurb a little (as that’s all I did). I know Wammers got the answers coz he helped me
    When someone searches in future you will be the main 2.5 man that comes up as most available threads are short-term members from 2008 not seen since.
     
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    @Grrrrrr
    if your stuck for a starter and are working in London i have a spare or falling that i will be up your way in Henton at the weekend.
     
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    ^^^ Definitely deserves a custard cream or two :):cool:
     
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    I'd hazard all derv starters are the same.
     
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    As standard they are, but buying is weird. Mostly rebuilds or other branded makes
     
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    For example mine is from an M51 525, it fits in, gears are same, works fine but is slightly smaller in size somehow??. Hella do the 525 ones - not cheap new :(
     
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    There’s always B**tpart .... :eek:
     
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    Mine is from a 525 and I was worried at how small the starter is next to the LR unit, it also had a smaller guide keyway which I had to widen up to mate up with the ol' bus because it didn't sit flush otherwise. I am guessing LR had their reasons for making their starters huge, but I've been using mine for a number of years now and so far so good... maybe the fact the road car version has lasted so long just shows how little I use my P38 for what it was made for?
     
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    Thanks. She's away with the kid and her mother at the moment so no rush.

    What's happening at Henton? Rally?
     
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    Yes a little select get together on a friends farm that i have been doing a bit of plumbing on.
     
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    Grrrrrr Technician, Bodgit & Scarper Ltd Full Member

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    Hoping the "new" one will be here by the weekend ready to fit.
     
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    All i know is if anyone buys a new EER5445 from Rimmers they need their bumps felt. £747.58 plus a returnable exchange deposit of £192.00. How these bloody idiots ever sell anything at their prices defeats me.
     
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    i would expect a whole P38 for that coin :eek:
     
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    This is why I can’t look on their site for part numbers anymore -
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    This is the type I’ve got - except it’s brand new with 1yr guarantee -
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