My first Land Rover and Need your help!

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Bodhi

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Hello,


I am here because I have always wanted to own one, a Land Rover Defender. Now I am seriously considering buying my first Land Rover. My budget is limited and I will only use it on weekend trips.



Attached are some photos I have taken quickly for a Land Rover 110 available for sale.


I appreciate any help in identifying this Land, and most importantly if it looks worth buying and spending the effort to restore it. What can be done to the space in the back? can forward facing seats be added with seat-belts? (if yes what kind of modification is required). Does this land have an engine that can handle an air conditioner.


Any advice or recommendation is greatly appreciated.


Cheers!
 

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that looks like and early 110 or possibly military defender.Dont worry about air con it will break.There looks like there seats in the back so thats sorted.
 
also being a three door will make getting in and out of forward facing seats a right pain in the 'arris.
 
what country are you posting from? Guessing that it has a 2.5n/a in it, air con can be retrofitted to any model - its all down to costs. exmoor trim do forward facing seats that tilt sideways out of the way to give acccess forward of them - but still a pain to do that each time somebody needs to sit in the back, the framework of the seats has seat belt mountings incorporated.
 
Ok some mixed feelings there! Thanks for the replies.
My idea is to have just two seats in the second row, one on either side with no third seat in between for ease of access, this should make access easy right? Can the sides be cut to make for leg room with front forward seats?
I asked today, Its a 1983 with four cylinder engine and power steering.
 
Ok some mixed feelings there! Thanks for the replies.
My idea is to have just two seats in the second row, one on either side with no third seat in between for ease of access, this should make access easy right? Can the sides be cut to make for leg room with front forward seats?
I asked today, Its a 1983 with four cylinder engine and power steering.
is thats as in 4 cyclinders with no turbo?
 
the front of the side boxes can be cut away to allow for leg room but would need some extra support going to the chassis for the seats on the box (as per 5 door csw's)
 
its alot of effort for front facing seats.Leave the ones ya got as is or spend some money on refurbing em.
 
c,mon stormy u wer a newby once, give the lad a break and we can offer him some good advice

He's not answering the questions!!

Where are you?
What engine is it?
More pictures, especially the bulkhead and chassis..
Why do you want air-con?
Why do you want a 110?
What are you going to be using it for?
What is the extent of your mechanical skills?
Whats your budget?




OK? :D
 
He's not answering the questions!!

Where are you?
What engine is it?
More pictures, especially the bulkhead and chassis..
Why do you want air-con?
Why do you want a 110?
What are you going to be using it for?
What is the extent of your mechanical skills?
Whats your budget?




OK? :D

ok point taken - but would rather help than have somebody getting into lumber with there purchase
 
Agreed..but he wants to know if its a good buy, now as i dont know if its for sale in manchester for £500 or Mogadishu for 5 Kalashnikovs, i cannot advise...

All I can see are some low quality photos of a white 110 taken from 20 feet away..

For all we know the chassis could be stuck together with used condoms from the Kinshasa highway...so planning where the family are going to sit is a bit pointless...

I await further info.....:rolleyes:
 
I am posting from Beirut, Lebanon. I lived in two or more different places but never been to Africa, what’s with the Kinshasa highway?!
This Land will be used for getting to the ski slopes, mountain drives, and weekend trips. In summer we are better off with air con at least for 2 months. I figured the 110 will accommodate more people, I only have a two and half years old daughter but I thought once I get the land everyone would want a ride ;)
I have no experience in car mechanics, but I am a mechanical engineer, so I can pretty sure follow up easily.
The guy selling it is a Land Rover parts dealer, he has another 110 for sale 1986 3 doors as well, I read somewhere that the earlier 110s were built much better than the later ones before they started making them as defender.
Planning on going there next weekend to get chassis and bulkhead photos and know exactly what engine it has. His asking price is USD 7.5K I will offer half. What else shall I look at?
 
if the engine runs and will run up to temperature remove the oil filler cap and see how much oil smoke comes out of it - sign of pressure within the engine caused by worn / piston rings / bore, which will require attention. clutch pedal should be a smooth action through travel, gears should all engage easily, check that it has all 6 gears (5 forward, 1 reverse) and that it engages low and high box (small gearstick moving backwards and forwards then slide high/low lever sideways to engage diff lock (light in dash should illuminate - not the end of the world if it does not!) Brake pedal should be firm and only have travel of 25mm - any more might point to badly adjusted rear brake shoes or fluid leaking from somewhere. chassis in your climate should be in good condition but look at the known rust areas - front bumper mounting / side outriggers (behind front wheels and connect to lower of bulkhead)rear cross member. If you can drive it - go from lock to lock and check for clicking coming from front axle - on drive take up listen for clonks from transmission and rear axle, if any of the above are found to need attention it is another bargaining tool to use.
 
The good thing about Defenders is that you can fix most things yourself..... the bad news is you'll probably have to. How much does he want for it and how much are you prepared to pay?
 
Just my opinion but that engine will be a total pain on a mountain drive. It's either a 2.25 or a 2.5 non turbo right? It will drive you mad with so little power in such a big and heavy vehicle. Even the new ones aren't nippy.
 
You really need to have a look at both vehicles and compare them well. A 1983 110 and a 1986 110 could have quite a few substantial differences and I am quite prepared to think that the 1986 will be in better condition (although this is not always necessarily the case, especially in warmer / dry climates). 90's and 110's were renamed the Defender 90 or Defender 110 in 1990 and it wasn't until around 1992-94 when Land Rover started to skimp on build quality. Many of the vehicles produced within that time frame suffered from rot particularly around the bulkhead and the rear end of the chassis especially - perhaps Land Rover were using a poor quality steel? Later models (1993 onwards) also have a chassis manufactured from thinner steel and as such, it will rot away quicker. In most cases, the structural integrity of a Land Rover really comes down to it's previous owners, the first one in particular. If it has been regularly waxoiled or received some form of rust prevention inside the chassis / bulkhead and out, then it should be alright. If one of the vehicles for sale is ex-military, it will more than likely have received the relevant attention but it might cost you considerably more, so do find out.

As for the engine, you really will begin to hate driving it if it's only a 2.5 N/A, especially in a 110. I doubt it will be a 2 1/4 diesel - they are very rare to come-by, even in the earlier years and for good reason. You do need to find out whether or not it is a 2.5 N/A (12J) or a 2.5 TD (19J). I expect the '83 model will be a 12J and the 86 model could well be a 12J or a 19J. The reason being, both engines are particularly under powered, but the 12J will prove to be a much more reliable engine and it will take a considerable amount of hammer. The 19J engines were prone to failure be it cracked piston crowns or heavily worn bores due to the unconsidered impact that the turbo had on what was quite an old designed cylinder block (based on the earlier 1950's engines) and most will eventually run on their own oil and destroy them selves in some shape or fashion.

If you're only going to be using it as a casual drive then I'm sure that it will be alright no matter what engine you have fitted, but if (and when) you decide you like it so much that it becomes your every day vehicle, you are really going to want a 200Tdi engine sat under your bonnet - inquire as to how much it might cost to source / have one fitted.

Other than that, use your common sense - you're a mechanical engineer, so you should be able to identify any drive train issues or structural weaknesses etc. Don't be afraid to give the chassis a bit of a bang with something to check that it doesn't crumble away or puncture straight through.

If you do decide to go through with the sale then prepare yourself for years of tinkering, most of which is required on a fortnightly basis. Expect to pay high prices for parts and components where you live - parts do seem to be scarce anywhere outside Europe and any second hand parts you do get hold of are more than likely taken off the thousands of Land Rovers stolen over here and shipped into Africa / Asia every year.

-Pos
 
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