LPG Transfer Pump 240v. HMMMMMMMM????

Is it worth investing in a LPG Transfer Pump 240v. for home? apparently all i need to do is buy a big bottle of gas, set up a simple rig to hold my bottle of LPG upside down in place and hey presto! Even cheaper motoring! and i can fill up whenever i want!

But is it really that simple and how much of a saving would i make from doing this rather than spending 50p(ish) a litre for "autogas" from a garage. I have a 70L tank capacity and it costs me on average just under £40 to fill up and for that i can do about 150-200 miles.

Can i just buy those big orange LPG cannisters you see next to static caravans and fill up on that? is it the same stuff as autogas?

Oh and is it legal?

mrnice said:

Is it worth investing in a LPG Transfer Pump 240v. for home? apparently all i need to do is buy a big bottle of gas, set up a simple rig to hold my bottle of LPG upside down in place and hey presto! Even cheaper motoring! and i can fill up whenever i want!

But is it really that simple and how much of a saving would i make from doing this rather than spending 50p(ish) a litre for "autogas" from a garage. I have a 70L tank capacity and it costs me on average just under £40 to fill up and for that i can do about 150-200 miles.

Can i just buy those big orange LPG cannisters you see next to static caravans and fill up on that? is it the same stuff as autogas?

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Very good question - is it the same as the stuff you have delivered and put in a large tank in your garden, for heating the house? And do you make a saving?

I buy canisters of propane gas for our gas cooker, is that the same stuff as used for cars?

Hang on a second, I pay about 23euros for a 13 kilogram refill of gas, anyone got any ideas how many litrs that might be?

25.4l auto gas is butane and propane mixed...i think

nathan5346 said:

25.4l auto gas is butane and propane mixed...i think

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If 13kgs is 25.4 ltrs and I paid 23 euros, that equates to 90 cents a litre !!!!

I can buy it locally from a garage for 65 cents.


Thanks Nathan, that's one less thing I need to think about !!!!!

just googled "buy gas" and went to the calor gas FAQ and found some interesting facts including this 1: Propane (red and green cylinders) has a lower boiling point than butane (blue cylinders) and is stored at a higher pressure so it is more suited for storage outside. Butane’s boiling point (conversion from liquid to gas) is around 0˚C so in colder conditions around this temperature it will not work.

i need to find out prices, subtly pick the brains of the autogas seller as to what autogas actually consists of (butane/propane or a mix of the 2) and then see if its feasable. I dont want to go and kill my engine!

mix of the 2, as above

dont forget the bit the customs and excise want for fuel duty ,and yes you can use the orange bottles but they arnt that cheap now
regards
steve y

Right just done a quick calculation you will have to forgive me if i'm wrong i'm still a little groggy from last nights stella.

I have a friend who owns a campsite that said if i buy 4 x 47KG bottles of gas off him he will give them me for £30 each (as opposed to about £50 apparently).

Lets just say that 13KG is 26L to make things easy, so 1 x 47KG bottle will give me 94L for £30 thats 31p a Litre! so to fill up it'll cost me about £21! right?

Duty on LPG as road fuel is just under 10p per litre.

Gas in cylinders is not cheap, a kilo of gas is roughly 2 litres of gas, a 13kg calor gas bottle costs about £21 which equates to 85p a litre alright bigger bottles wil be cheaper.

I believe the only way to get it cheap than LPG at the pump is to have a bulk tank at home then you can get it as low as 29p a litre but you need to buy 4,000 litres a year.

mrnice said:

Right just done a quick calculation you will have to forgive me if i'm wrong i'm still a little groggy from last nights stella.

I have a friend who owns a campsite that said if i buy 4 x 47KG bottles of gas off him he will give them me for £30 each (as opposed to about £50 apparently).

Lets just say that 13KG is 26L to make things easy, so 1 x 47KG bottle will give me 94L for £30 thats 31p a Litre! so to fill up it'll cost me about £21! right?

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I would be very surprised if he makes that sort of mark up on them and you will still have to pay duty on top of that to be legal and also heating fuel is VAt at 5% as a opposed to road fuel at 15%.

how would the authorities find out it was not duty paid? does it smell different or something? with red/green deisel its obvious by looking at it and apparently a good indicator to the ploice that a van is running on red/green is that it smokes a lot and so "worth a pull".

Also i think the lad wouldnt be making hardly anything from me, "mates rates" ya know. but just been talking to another lad and he sais the big bottles are about £38 to just buy 1, is that a good price?

The problem is if you get caught you could lose your motor, only takes a nosey neighbour.

What I meant about the price was I am surprised he makes £20 per cylinder. We pay just over £20 for a 13kg, 47kg are just over £50 round here, which is no saving over the 48p a litre I pay for LPG

also dont forget the amount of black sticky **** thats in the bottles
when u turn them upside down to pump the liquid lpg int ur tank u also transfer the crap which then wrecks your system in the car,even more problems
regards
steve y

no one would be able to tell that you have not paid duty unless you told them but it would not work out that much cheaper to "diy" and plus there is less chance of blowing yourself up! the gas that gets pumped into your vehicle is propane and is the same as any gas that you buy in red bottles.the butane gas is not suited for outdoor use and does not burn as hot as propane.

Mogwyth said:

I believe the only way to get it cheap than LPG at the pump is to have a bulk tank at home then you can get it as low as 29p a litre but you need to buy 4,000 litres a year.

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Bill:

Is that Calor Autogas that you are quoting?

I've never found anything on their website about home bulk tanks for Autogas, and 4000 litres a year would be fine for a V8 user

Peter

I bought one of these pumps for my boat, it works fine, but wrecked the pump when some **** came out of the propane bottle into the pump. My fault as i should have fitted an inline filter. Have sent the pump off to be rebuilt (only 25quid) as didn't know the spec of the pump to order the correct replacement parts.

I get gas bottle from Flogas, no deposit on bottles and buy 5 at a time to get the 47kg bottles for 35 quid delivered.

just found this:-

Autogas is the abridged name for automotive LP Gas – that is, LP Gas used as an automotive transportation fuel. LP Gas is the generic name for mixtures of hydrocarbons ( mainly Propane + Butane in varying proportions) that change from a gaseous to liquid state when compressed at moderate pressure or cooled to low temperatures. In some countries, the propane content varies according to the season as the physical characteristics of the two gases differ slightly according to ambient temperatures.

The Autogas grade of LP Gas has a relatively high proportion of propane and hence has a higher Motor Octane Number (MON), which is desirable for spark ignition engines. The Autogas has lesser percentages of unsaturated hydrocarbons, resulting in complete burning of the fuel and lower residues left after burning.


Auto LPG is a generic name for mixtures of hydrocarbons (mainly propane and butane) which exists as vapor under ambient conditions and can be changed into liquid state by applying moderate pressures.
Autogas has a typical composition of 60-70% propane and 40-30% butane.
Autogas has inherently clean burning characteristics


So looks like its a mix, im takin my motor up to an LPG fitter in the next week or 2 who apparently runs his 4L landy on the big orange gas bottles and has been doing so successfully for many years so far so i'll see what he has to say about it.

Spoke with Calor today. For small installations they will not fit a gas tank and pump, but if they did, then the standing charges are about £120 a quarter and gas is not significantly cheaper than at the pumps. I was quoted £0.50p a litre, while we can get that locally anyway.

What they did say, was that they would fill anyone's tank as long as it had the required certification and planning approval, and could take 1500 to 2000 litre drops of gas.

I haven't talked to anyone else yet.

Peter

listerdiesel said:

Spoke with Calor today. For small installations they will not fit a gas tank and pump, but if they did, then the standing charges are about £120 a quarter and gas is not significantly cheaper than at the pumps. I was quoted £0.50p a litre, while we can get that locally anyway.

What they did say, was that they would fill anyone's tank as long as it had the required certification and planning approval, and could take 1500 to 2000 litre drops of gas.

I haven't talked to anyone else yet.

Peter

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Get a tank fitted by an LPG supplier for central heating, but ask for a bottom take off hose to be included in the tank, you can then sort your own pump out, like the one above

austen said:

Get a tank fitted by an LPG supplier for central heating, but ask for a bottom take off hose to be included in the tank, you can then sort your own pump out, like the one above

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Thats the way.
You can also fit it your self and get it comissioned
you can also get hand pumps,a little slow but cheap and easy.

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