HID xenon conversion kits

Hi,

Just had a headlamp bulb blow on my 2000 Discovery and I am thinking
about fitting a HID xenon conversion kit such as those available at
www.hids4u.co.uk; currently have Phillips vision plus . Specifically I
would like a kit with HID xenon on both dip and main such as
http://www.hids4u.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=44. Has anybody got any
experience of these kits?

PS. I only found hids4u as a google search, if anybody has experience
of other sites (preferrab;y cheaper) I would like to hear of you
experience.

Thanks in advance

nemo2

nemo2 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just had a headlamp bulb blow on my 2000 Discovery and I am thinking
> about fitting a HID xenon conversion kit such as those available at
> www.hids4u.co.uk; currently have Phillips vision plus . Specifically I
> would like a kit with HID xenon on both dip and main such as
> http://www.hids4u.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=44. Has anybody got any
> experience of these kits?
>
> PS. I only found hids4u as a google search, if anybody has experience
> of other sites (preferrab;y cheaper) I would like to hear of you
> experience.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> nemo2

I thought HiD lamps had to be self levelling to be road legal in the UK?

--
Darren Griffin
PocketGPSWorld - www.PocketGPSWorld.com
The Premier GPS Resource for News, Reviews and Forums

"Darren Griffin - PocketGPSWorld.Com" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> nemo2 wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Just had a headlamp bulb blow on my 2000 Discovery and I am thinking
>> about fitting a HID xenon conversion kit such as those available at
>> www.hids4u.co.uk; currently have Phillips vision plus . Specifically I
>> would like a kit with HID xenon on both dip and main such as
>> http://www.hids4u.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=44. Has anybody got any
>> experience of these kits?
>>
>> PS. I only found hids4u as a google search, if anybody has experience
>> of other sites (preferrab;y cheaper) I would like to hear of you
>> experience.
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> nemo2
>
> I thought HiD lamps had to be self levelling to be road legal in the UK?

Correct. Personally, because of the danger by them dazzling oncoming
motorists, if I had one come to me for an MOT with them fitted and no
self-levelling system tied in, I'd want to fail it. Whether VOSA would let
me or not is another matter though.
Badger.

nemo2, Darren and Badger Hi,

May I suggest you have a look at this site?
http://www.xenoncarlights.com/prices.htm

The owner and seller is an old friend (from when I had an AUDI RS2) and
apart from selling the HID conversion kits he also sells automatic leveling
systems and headlight washer systems (which is the second pre-requisite for
proper and lawful installation of HID systems on road vehicles)

Apart from knowing the seller I have no other financial or business
connection with him.

Take care
Pantelis


"nemo2" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
>
> Just had a headlamp bulb blow on my 2000 Discovery and I am thinking
> about fitting a HID xenon conversion kit such as those available at
> www.hids4u.co.uk; currently have Phillips vision plus . Specifically I
> would like a kit with HID xenon on both dip and main such as
> http://www.hids4u.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=44. Has anybody got any
> experience of these kits?
>
> PS. I only found hids4u as a google search, if anybody has experience
> of other sites (preferrab;y cheaper) I would like to hear of you
> experience.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> nemo2
>

May I also suggest you have a look at e-bay for HID lights under automotive
related products?

There are several sellers with BUY NOW option at a lower price then the one
quoted at hids4u but then again you should be careful as far as quality is
regarded.

Take care
Pantelis

"nemo2" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
>
> Just had a headlamp bulb blow on my 2000 Discovery and I am thinking
> about fitting a HID xenon conversion kit such as those available at
> www.hids4u.co.uk; currently have Phillips vision plus . Specifically I
> would like a kit with HID xenon on both dip and main such as
> http://www.hids4u.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=44. Has anybody got any
> experience of these kits?
>
> PS. I only found hids4u as a google search, if anybody has experience
> of other sites (preferrab;y cheaper) I would like to hear of you
> experience.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> nemo2
>

nemo2 Hi,

may I suggest you have a look at item number 8029935487 on www.ebay.co.uk ?

you may find it interesting.

Take care
Pantelis


"nemo2" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
>
> Just had a headlamp bulb blow on my 2000 Discovery and I am thinking
> about fitting a HID xenon conversion kit such as those available at
> www.hids4u.co.uk; currently have Phillips vision plus . Specifically I
> would like a kit with HID xenon on both dip and main such as
> http://www.hids4u.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=44. Has anybody got any
> experience of these kits?
>
> PS. I only found hids4u as a google search, if anybody has experience
> of other sites (preferrab;y cheaper) I would like to hear of you
> experience.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> nemo2
>

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:10:32 +0200, Pantelis Giamarellos wrote:

> There are several sellers with BUY NOW option at a lower price then
> the one quoted at hids4u but then again you should be careful as far
> as quality is

And be careful on the description, so as not to just buy bulbs with a
bit of blue paint on. "HID look", "appearance of HID" etc.

Strikes me as very dodgey ground to fit true HID without automatic
headlamp levelling. Even if you can pass an MOT, the Construction and
Use regulations may well get you, ultimately ending with a null
insurance. Even if your insurance company accepts the modification.

I've certainly been dazzled by HID equiped cars, particulary when they
are coming up hill onto the level where I am or over undulating/bumpy
roads.

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

On or around Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:11:06 +0000 (UTC), "Badger"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>"Darren Griffin - PocketGPSWorld.Com" <[email protected]> wrote in
>message news:[email protected]...
>> nemo2 wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Just had a headlamp bulb blow on my 2000 Discovery and I am thinking
>>> about fitting a HID xenon conversion kit such as those available at
>>> www.hids4u.co.uk; currently have Phillips vision plus . Specifically I
>>> would like a kit with HID xenon on both dip and main such as
>>> http://www.hids4u.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=44. Has anybody got any
>>> experience of these kits?
>>>
>>> PS. I only found hids4u as a google search, if anybody has experience
>>> of other sites (preferrab;y cheaper) I would like to hear of you
>>> experience.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance
>>>
>>> nemo2
>>
>> I thought HiD lamps had to be self levelling to be road legal in the UK?
>
>Correct. Personally, because of the danger by them dazzling oncoming
>motorists, if I had one come to me for an MOT with them fitted and no
>self-levelling system tied in, I'd want to fail it. Whether VOSA would let
>me or not is another matter though.
>Badger.
>

I thought you could get 'em on "incorrcet beam pattern"?

the few I've seen that have HIDs in normal housings invariably dazzle. the
proper ones are bad enough.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals. Then
something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination -
we learned to talk." Pink Floyd (1994)

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:11:06 +0000 (UTC), "Badger"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>
>>"Darren Griffin - PocketGPSWorld.Com" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>message news:[email protected]...
>>> nemo2 wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Just had a headlamp bulb blow on my 2000 Discovery and I am thinking
>>>> about fitting a HID xenon conversion kit such as those available at
>>>> www.hids4u.co.uk; currently have Phillips vision plus . Specifically I
>>>> would like a kit with HID xenon on both dip and main such as
>>>> http://www.hids4u.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=44. Has anybody got any
>>>> experience of these kits?
>>>>
>>>> PS. I only found hids4u as a google search, if anybody has experience
>>>> of other sites (preferrab;y cheaper) I would like to hear of you
>>>> experience.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>
>>>> nemo2
>>>
>>> I thought HiD lamps had to be self levelling to be road legal in the UK?
>>
>>Correct. Personally, because of the danger by them dazzling oncoming
>>motorists, if I had one come to me for an MOT with them fitted and no
>>self-levelling system tied in, I'd want to fail it. Whether VOSA would let
>>me or not is another matter though.
>>Badger.
>>
>
> I thought you could get 'em on "incorrcet beam pattern"?

Only if the pattern is indeed incorrect.
Badger.

hi fitted land rover xenon ice blue headlight- main beam - side light bulb upgrade set to my freelander 02 last week full set cost me £8.99 + vat plus £2.50 deliverey and it looks great and does not dazel pure white light and because of eu markings there are road legal in the uk

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:11:06 +0000 (UTC), "Badger"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Darren Griffin - PocketGPSWorld.Com" <[email protected]> wrote in
>message news:[email protected]...
>> nemo2 wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Just had a headlamp bulb blow on my 2000 Discovery and I am thinking
>>> about fitting a HID xenon conversion kit such as those available at
>>> www.hids4u.co.uk; currently have Phillips vision plus . Specifically I
>>> would like a kit with HID xenon on both dip and main such as
>>> http://www.hids4u.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=44. Has anybody got any
>>> experience of these kits?
>>>
>>> PS. I only found hids4u as a google search, if anybody has experience
>>> of other sites (preferrab;y cheaper) I would like to hear of you
>>> experience.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance
>>>
>>> nemo2
>>
>> I thought HiD lamps had to be self levelling to be road legal in the UK?
>
>Correct. Personally, because of the danger by them dazzling oncoming
>motorists, if I had one come to me for an MOT with them fitted and no
>self-levelling system tied in, I'd want to fail it. Whether VOSA would let
>me or not is another matter though.
>Badger.
>
Hi Badger,

I have self levelling suspension and headlamp washers, but I believe
that's only a requirement for HID's fitted to a new vehicle.

regards

nemo2

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:18:06 +0000, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>snipped
>
>I thought you could get 'em on "incorrcet beam pattern"?
>
>the few I've seen that have HIDs in normal housings invariably dazzle. the
>proper ones are bad enough.
Hi Austin,

Thanks, I'm still researching this so I see what I can find out about
incorrect beam patterns. Is it the length of the bulb that changes the
beam pattern?

regards

nemo2

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:44:57 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:10:32 +0200, Pantelis Giamarellos wrote:
>
>> There are several sellers with BUY NOW option at a lower price then
>> the one quoted at hids4u but then again you should be careful as far
>> as quality is
>
>And be careful on the description, so as not to just buy bulbs with a
>bit of blue paint on. "HID look", "appearance of HID" etc.
>
>Strikes me as very dodgey ground to fit true HID without automatic
>headlamp levelling. Even if you can pass an MOT, the Construction and
>Use regulations may well get you, ultimately ending with a null
>insurance. Even if your insurance company accepts the modification.
>
>I've certainly been dazzled by HID equiped cars, particulary when they
>are coming up hill onto the level where I am or over undulating/bumpy
>roads.
Hi Dave,

Thanks for the reminder, I check with my insurance company. I had
noticed the dodgy adverts as I like to do my research before commting
myself; hence the post here. As far as I can ascertain, I would be
legal and there should be no problems with the MOT, but I want to be
sure that I end up with a better light system that wont annoy other
drivers.

regards

nemo2

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:50:03 +0200, "Pantelis Giamarellos"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>nemo2 Hi,
>
>may I suggest you have a look at item number 8029935487 on www.ebay.co.uk ?
>
>you may find it interesting.
>
>Take care
>Pantelis
>
>snipped
>
Hi Pantelis,

Thanks for your posts, I've been lurking here for a while and have
seen your other posts and trust your integrity when you post details
of a web site. The above item on ebay is interesting as my Discovery
has H4 bulbs that have combined dipped and main beams. I'm going to
take a look at the other sites you mentioned when I finished replying
to this post. Quality rather than price is my main concern, but I
don't want to throw money away.

regards

nemo2

On or around Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:26:34 +0000, nemo2 <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:18:06 +0000, Austin Shackles
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>snipped
>>
>>I thought you could get 'em on "incorrcet beam pattern"?
>>
>>the few I've seen that have HIDs in normal housings invariably dazzle. the
>>proper ones are bad enough.
>Hi Austin,
>
>Thanks, I'm still researching this so I see what I can find out about
>incorrect beam patterns. Is it the length of the bulb that changes the
>beam pattern?

the reflector and glass of the headlamp are designed to produce the correct
pattern with a fairly accurately-placed bulb filament, in a particular
orientation. If the HID unit puts a light source of the same size in the
same place, with the same shielding on the lower side of the beam, then
it'll work.

Doesn't alter the requirements for self levelling etc.

Personally, I'd outlaw the bloody lot of 'em for dipped beams - they're far
too bright and even with a correct pattern they dazzle more than is
necessary. If you want 'em for super-bright main beams, that's fair enough.

Dipped beam lamps don't need to be (that) bright. The old-fashioned 40W or
45W headlamps give enough light to see the 30 yards or so that the beam
reaches - and 55W halogens give more than enough. There really isn't any
justification for making them brighter.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"My centre is giving way, my right is in retreat; situation excellent.
I shall attack. - Marshal Foch (1851 - 1929)

nemo2 mumbled something on 23/01/2006 20:24:
> Hi,
>
> Just had a headlamp bulb blow on my 2000 Discovery and I am thinking
> about fitting a HID xenon conversion kit such as those available at
> www.hids4u.co.uk; currently have Phillips vision plus . Specifically I
> would like a kit with HID xenon on both dip and main such as
> http://www.hids4u.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=44. Has anybody got any
> experience of these kits?

I have one of their kits fitted on my car and I'm impressed with the
results. I had a fault on one of the control/ballast units and they
sent a replacement in the post the next day without waiting for me to
send a faulty one back.

> PS. I only found hids4u as a google search, if anybody has experience
> of other sites (preferrab;y cheaper) I would like to hear of you
> experience.

Compared with £700 for some of the competition (or £1200 at Overfinch),
they sounded like a good deal to me. You might shave a few quid here or
there, but they are the discount end of HID kits.

Andy

On or around Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:24:22 +0000, nemo2 <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>
>I have self levelling suspension and headlamp washers, but I believe
>that's only a requirement for HID's fitted to a new vehicle.

don't think so.

I don't seem to have any legislation about 'em (or not that I can find
easily), but there is some. I think it's an amendment to RVLR 1989.

Must update the legislation thing, if the bloody county council ever pay me
for December's work.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals. Then
something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination -
we learned to talk." Pink Floyd (1994)

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:26:34 +0000, nemo2 <[email protected]>
> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:18:06 +0000, Austin Shackles
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>snipped
>>>
>>>I thought you could get 'em on "incorrcet beam pattern"?
>>>
>>>the few I've seen that have HIDs in normal housings invariably dazzle.
>>>the
>>>proper ones are bad enough.
>>Hi Austin,
>>
>>Thanks, I'm still researching this so I see what I can find out about
>>incorrect beam patterns. Is it the length of the bulb that changes the
>>beam pattern?
>
> the reflector and glass of the headlamp are designed to produce the
> correct
> pattern with a fairly accurately-placed bulb filament, in a particular
> orientation. If the HID unit puts a light source of the same size in the
> same place, with the same shielding on the lower side of the beam, then
> it'll work.
>
> Doesn't alter the requirements for self levelling etc.
>
> Personally, I'd outlaw the bloody lot of 'em for dipped beams - they're
> far
> too bright and even with a correct pattern they dazzle more than is
> necessary. If you want 'em for super-bright main beams, that's fair
> enough.
>
> Dipped beam lamps don't need to be (that) bright. The old-fashioned 40W
> or
> 45W headlamps give enough light to see the 30 yards or so that the beam
> reaches - and 55W halogens give more than enough. There really isn't any
> justification for making them brighter.

Hear hear.
if you can't see enough on dipped beam, then you are driving too fast for
the conditions. I am sick fed up being dazzled by so-called lighting
"improvements".
Badger.

"nemo2" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:11:06 +0000 (UTC), "Badger"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Darren Griffin - PocketGPSWorld.Com" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>message news:[email protected]...
>>> nemo2 wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Just had a headlamp bulb blow on my 2000 Discovery and I am thinking
>>>> about fitting a HID xenon conversion kit such as those available at
>>>> www.hids4u.co.uk; currently have Phillips vision plus . Specifically I
>>>> would like a kit with HID xenon on both dip and main such as
>>>> http://www.hids4u.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=44. Has anybody got any
>>>> experience of these kits?
>>>>
>>>> PS. I only found hids4u as a google search, if anybody has experience
>>>> of other sites (preferrab;y cheaper) I would like to hear of you
>>>> experience.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>
>>>> nemo2
>>>
>>> I thought HiD lamps had to be self levelling to be road legal in the UK?
>>
>>Correct. Personally, because of the danger by them dazzling oncoming
>>motorists, if I had one come to me for an MOT with them fitted and no
>>self-levelling system tied in, I'd want to fail it. Whether VOSA would let
>>me or not is another matter though.
>>Badger.
>>
> Hi Badger,
>
> I have self levelling suspension and headlamp washers, but I believe
> that's only a requirement for HID's fitted to a new vehicle.

It's not the suspension that needs to be self levelling, it's sensors linked
into the suspension that automatically alter the light position to avoid
dazzle as the vehicle pitches with normal suspension movement.
Badger.

Austin Shackles wrote:

>
> Dipped beam lamps don't need to be (that) bright. The old-fashioned 40W or
> 45W headlamps give enough light to see the 30 yards or so that the beam
> reaches - and 55W halogens give more than enough. There really isn't any
> justification for making them brighter.

I do agree. No use in further improvements except for the wallet of the
manufacturer.....
Erik-Jan.