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oh and just a personal opinion, engineering wise....

ImperialCollegeRRproject said:
These guys were responsible for the

Driverless Bonnet
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- i dont know what this is, but if you have a driveable bonnet somewhere I want one!

ImperialCollegeRRproject said:
Remote Control
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:eek: - he is the bastard thats responsible for arguments between my kids? just you wait till i get my hands on im.

ImperialCollegeRRproject said:
Laser guidance tech on the latest Discovery concept.
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- eerrr why the chuff would you want laser guidance? unless your blind... in which case wtf are you doing behind the wheel
 
biggeeeee said:
Mate, I'm on my 5th Land Rover, always bought from Honest Joes car sales or privately. Then the fun begins sorting all the problems, when they are sorted I keep the thing as long as it allows, then the ride begins again.

My total purchase price of all 5 has been less than 20K

I'm not your target market and never will be
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I spoke to a Marketing Manager at Bearmach (the parts supplier) and she felt that the go anywhere brand of Land Rover has been built by enthusiasts like you who keep their vehicle on the road; which directly fuels the "go anywhere" perception of the modern vehicles. She feels that the complexity of the modern vehicle puts the brand at risk, noting that people in future may see Land Rovers as executive road cars only. What do you think?
 
ImperialCollegeRRproject said:
What do you mean by waste of money? Would you always opt for a less complex model every time? Do you think that the driver aids aren't very useful?
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real men (and women of course.. cant leave out the lesser of the sexes and be accused of sexism can we!)

dont need driver aids

*pulls manly pose*
 
ImperialCollegeRRproject said:
I spoke to a Marketing Manager at Bearmach (the parts supplier) and she felt that the go anywhere brand of Land Rover has been built by enthusiasts like you who keep their vehicle on the road; which directly fuels the "go anywhere" perception of the modern vehicles. She feels that the complexity of the modern vehicle puts the brand at risk, noting that people in future may see Land Rovers as executive road cars only. What do you think?
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how many parts suppliers have you spoken too?

if only the one you need more than that to produce a conclusion ... even if the first one might be the correct one :eek:
 
ImperialCollegeRRproject said:
I spoke to a Marketing Manager at Bearmach (the parts supplier) and she felt that the go anywhere brand of Land Rover has been built by enthusiasts like you who keep their vehicle on the road; which directly fuels the "go anywhere" perception of the modern vehicles. She feels that the complexity of the modern vehicle puts the brand at risk, noting that people in future may see Land Rovers as executive road cars only. What do you think?
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I need the thing to get me to work, need it to pull my boat out the water and sometimes get me over some really slippery grass (thats another story), I've got all those things and dont need any more expensive to fix gadgets.
I'm done
 
ImperialCollegeRRproject said:
I spoke to a Marketing Manager at Bearmach (the parts supplier) and she felt that the go anywhere brand of Land Rover has been built by enthusiasts like you who keep their vehicle on the road; which directly fuels the "go anywhere" perception of the modern vehicles. She feels that the complexity of the modern vehicle puts the brand at risk, noting that people in future may see Land Rovers as executive road cars only. What do you think?
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It's been like that for years. Ever since the P38, it's been a downhill slide since.
 
biggeeeee said:
Mate, I'm on my 5th Land Rover, always bought from Honest Joes car sales or privately. Then the fun begins sorting all the problems, when they are sorted I keep the thing as long as it allows, then the ride begins again.

My total purchase price of all 5 has been less than 20K

I'm not your target market and never will be
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I seriously doubt that anyone on here is his target market
vilguy said:
never stopped him asking before i assure you
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You're just jealous I don't shag ginger blokes ;)
ImperialCollegeRRproject said:
I spoke to a Marketing Manager at Bearmach (the parts supplier) and she felt that the go anywhere brand of Land Rover has been built by enthusiasts like you who keep their vehicle on the road; which directly fuels the "go anywhere" perception of the modern vehicles. She feels that the complexity of the modern vehicle puts the brand at risk, noting that people in future may see Land Rovers as executive road cars only. What do you think?
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That would be all well and good and no one would love to see Land Rover return to its roots more than the enthusiasts on this site but its never going to happen. The Defender is being done away with an LR vehicles are looking more and more like each other as they release new models with more electronics and driver aids and less mechanics and actual driving. We like a car that has soul, panache; a vehicle that we can work on ourselves and repair in the field if it goes tits up. That pretty much ended with the last TD5. Don't get me wrong I've heard good things about engines such as the TDV6 but you will probably find that 70% or more on here have vehicles made before 2000. The direction in which LR is heading is the complete opposite to what we, as LR enthusiast's, want to see but 1. We don't have a say in the matter, 2. Even if we did it makes no difference, 3. They have to continue to meet and comply with him more and more legislation from the EU and 4. Going backwards to make vehicles such as they used to doesn't make money. No one wants a rattly old uncomfortable defender these days and if they do they are passionate about the brand and would most certainly not pay 22,000 for a brand new one
 
Jonnyb1990 said:
You best bet to get people in on this is to go to horse trials, and ask directly,

Reason why the vast majority of members on here dont have a Post 05 RR is that their just not serviceable by your average Joe,

To top up the gearbox oil you have to remove the entire body on a Disco 4, most D3's are being crippled by high service costs, takes someone with a lot of hands on experience to sort out the problems that are coming with the newer range of vehicles,


Good luck with your research
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agree with jonnyb on this.
my old disco 1 is like an old friend to me now,
as I spent 3 months of my spare time under it welding it, and numerous times under it servicing it.

the other type of R/R or Landie owner of later motorway mile munchers only just drive then, not care for them in the same way we do.

example of landie haters = my neighbour is an ex motorway builder (manager)
who had a brand new disco 2, it had the crankshaft front pully bolt come undone thus doing lots of damage..
He now swears all landrovers are sh*te :rolleyes:
I did explain my much older version has had that bolt undone and replaced twice in my ownership of the last 5 years, but must have been done more times in its 206000 miles of continuing service.....

As others will explain, to us, older Rangies and Landies *need* to be service friendly by there owners, or there is no point of ownership if no one else is paying the service costs bill.

Not all Rangie or Landie owners run "company" cars..
(or royalty come to that)
 
ImperialCollegeRRproject said:
I spoke to a Marketing Manager at Bearmach (the parts supplier) and she felt that the go anywhere brand of Land Rover has been built by enthusiasts like you who keep their vehicle on the road; which directly fuels the "go anywhere" perception of the modern vehicles. She feels that the complexity of the modern vehicle puts the brand at risk, noting that people in future may see Land Rovers as executive road cars only. What do you think?
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Possibly, but its the simplicity of the Defender and older discos, and even RRs that made that possible.

all of these are easily maintainable by the home mechanic, without a phd in computing and electrowizardy.

they all continue to function with only minor mods in water up to their eyeballs, somthing which new models cannot, and with restraints on airbags, emmisions (and hance the need for ECUs in engines) never will as the cost of making thse systems even splashproof is probably prohibative.

LR have lost their way in my eyes, the Disco was brought out to be as capable as the fender and RR of the time but at an intermediate pricepoint, now the disco costs more than an Ewok. with more electrikery than was used toput a man on the moon.

Driver aids are all well and good, but to me I enjoy the challenge of driving as apposed to being able to press a button and cruise over an obstacle.

a standard early disco/defender is still a very capable machine, on a recent trip, the only thing that held me back over some friends was tyres, I was on ATs, they had muds, otherwise, my standard 1996 110 got everywhere those with lifts and other toys did.
 
vilguy said:
how many parts suppliers have you spoken too?

if only the one you need more than that to produce a conclusion ... even if the first one might be the correct one :eek:
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That's a very valid point. I have had a few meetings with various stakeholders with more in the pipeline. I'm trying to get coverage of a number of stakeholders (engineers/technical, brand/marketing, suppliers, dealerships, garages, customers) to get a balanced assessment of viewpoints.

Is there any source of information in particular that you would recommend?
 
Here's my view, both new offerings and the older landrover products are all great, I've driven most of them apart from the latest Rangerover and it's Sport brother.
I've owned defenders, classic range rovers and disco 3s and they have all been off road and all as capable as each other. Each have their own style of driving off road and I found the Disco 3 the better of the lot for both ease and comfort off road.
I would with out question take a brand new rangerover off road as I know it's up for the job as long as you keep within it's limits but that goes for all the landrovers new and old.
I regret selling my disco 3 and wish I had kept it. I do currently own a defender but that does not go off road as it's more a show vehicle due to it being a rare type, but if I had to take it off road I know it will do it with ease.
 
timtheenchanteruk said:
Possibly, but its the simplicity of the Defender and older discos, and even RRs that made that possible.

all of these are easily maintainable by the home mechanic, without a phd in computing and electrowizardy.

they all continue to function with only minor mods in water up to their eyeballs, somthing which new models cannot, and with restraints on airbags, emmisions (and hance the need for ECUs in engines) never will as the cost of making thse systems even splashproof is probably prohibative.

LR have lost their way in my eyes, the Disco was brought out to be as capable as the fender and RR of the time but at an intermediate pricepoint, now the disco costs more than an Ewok. with more electrikery than was used toput a man on the moon.

Driver aids are all well and good, but to me I enjoy the challenge of driving as apposed to being able to press a button and cruise over an obstacle.

a standard early disco/defender is still a very capable machine, on a recent trip, the only thing that held me back over some friends was tyres, I was on ATs, they had muds, otherwise, my standard 1996 110 got everywhere those with lifts and other toys did.
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Are JLR focusing too much on the tech and not enough on driver interaction? What do you think? By making it too easy, are they detracting from the potential off-road experience? Do you think they care?
 
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