Crashed series landrover

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On or around Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:04:28 +0100, "Nige"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Rich wrote:
>> Getting off this subject a bit, what is the ability to survive a
>> roll over in a Series Landy with a truck cab or full hard top, are
>> these strong enough to stand up in a roll or does it all just
>> collapse down to the door tops etc.
>>
>> Rich
>> To reply remove " spam "
>
>You have no rollover protection, none at all.
>

There have been several well-reported 90/110 rolls which have left the
vehicle substantially intact and survivable - I doubt the top of a 90/110 is
much stronger than a series. It's tougher than it looks.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Soon shall thy arm, unconquered steam! afar Drag the slow barge, or
drive the rapid car; Or on wide-waving wings expanded bear the
flying chariot through the field of air.- Erasmus Darwin (1731-1802)
 
In message <[email protected]>
Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> On or around Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:45:09 +0100, beamendsltd
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >In message <[email protected]>
> > R L driver <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Larry wrote:
> >> > Gotta be a rarity though, death by Land Rover so what happened?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> The Landrover or what was left of it had overturned and seemed to be
> >> resting on its bulkhead,right up against the roundabout. The vehicle was
> >> laying in line with the roundabout , rather than at right angles to it
> >> so it appeared to have been going round rather than coming onto the
> >> roundabout. I could tell by the axles that it was and old series model
> >> and a backwards glance at the front as I went past made me think that it
> >> probably had no screen or that it had been folded down as the bonnet was
> >> effectively lying on the road. Goodness knows what happened.
> >> Steve the grease
> >
> >While not wishing to speculate on what happened, as there are so
> >many possibilities, it does remind me of when a freind and his son
> >were killed in similar circumstances due to an incorrect mixture of
> >shouldered and non-shouldered track rod ends.
>
> which reminds me, need some for Edward II. actually, the easy way out of
> this (since I've yet to work out which kind) is 2 ends and a rod and replace
> the whole thing. I've got a use for bits of track rod tube, too, so it
> won't be entirely wasteful. Assuming it's the same size tube as the early
> 110 ones.
>
>

NRC132 Series Track Rod Suff E on £18.07 inc VAT
RTC5867GR Series Track Rod End Suffix E on RH Thread (1974) -
No Shoulder On Thread - Use ONLY with Matching Tube
£5.64 inc VAT
RTC5868GR Series Track Rod End Suffix E on LH Thread (1974) -
No Shoulder On Thread - Use ONLY with Matching Tube
£5.64 inc VAT

Richard

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In message <[email protected]>
Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> On or around Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:04:28 +0100, "Nige"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >Rich wrote:
> >> Getting off this subject a bit, what is the ability to survive a
> >> roll over in a Series Landy with a truck cab or full hard top, are
> >> these strong enough to stand up in a roll or does it all just
> >> collapse down to the door tops etc.
> >>
> >> Rich
> >> To reply remove " spam "
> >
> >You have no rollover protection, none at all.
> >
>
> There have been several well-reported 90/110 rolls which have left the
> vehicle substantially intact and survivable - I doubt the top of a 90/110 is
> much stronger than a series. It's tougher than it looks.

Series (excluding SI) are to all intents and purposes identical -
some of the bolts are metric and the windscreen frame is an ally
casting rather than a steel frame requiring a sligtly modded
roof - that's about it!

Richard

--
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
RISC-OS - Where have all the good guys gone?
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On Wednesday, in article
<[email protected]>
[email protected] "Austin Shackles" wrote:

> On or around Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:04:28 +0100, "Nige"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >Rich wrote:
> >> Getting off this subject a bit, what is the ability to survive a
> >> roll over in a Series Landy with a truck cab or full hard top, are
> >> these strong enough to stand up in a roll or does it all just
> >> collapse down to the door tops etc.
> >>
> >> Rich
> >> To reply remove " spam "
> >
> >You have no rollover protection, none at all.
> >
>
> There have been several well-reported 90/110 rolls which have left the
> vehicle substantially intact and survivable - I doubt the top of a 90/110 is
> much stronger than a series. It's tougher than it looks.

If I remember the basic engineering principle right, what matters is the
amount of energy absorbed by the deformation of the structure.

Some rollovers are survivable because there isn't so much excess energy
in the roll. But, as a proportion of all rollover accidents, they may be
rather a small fraction of the range of energies.


--
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

"I am Number Two," said Penfold. "You are Number Six."
 
On or around Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:07:41 +0100, beamendsltd
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>In message <[email protected]>
> Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On or around Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:45:09 +0100, beamendsltd
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>> >In message <[email protected]>
>> > R L driver <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Larry wrote:
>> >> > Gotta be a rarity though, death by Land Rover so what happened?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> The Landrover or what was left of it had overturned and seemed to be
>> >> resting on its bulkhead,right up against the roundabout. The vehicle was
>> >> laying in line with the roundabout , rather than at right angles to it
>> >> so it appeared to have been going round rather than coming onto the
>> >> roundabout. I could tell by the axles that it was and old series model
>> >> and a backwards glance at the front as I went past made me think that it
>> >> probably had no screen or that it had been folded down as the bonnet was
>> >> effectively lying on the road. Goodness knows what happened.
>> >> Steve the grease
>> >
>> >While not wishing to speculate on what happened, as there are so
>> >many possibilities, it does remind me of when a freind and his son
>> >were killed in similar circumstances due to an incorrect mixture of
>> >shouldered and non-shouldered track rod ends.
>>
>> which reminds me, need some for Edward II. actually, the easy way out of
>> this (since I've yet to work out which kind) is 2 ends and a rod and replace
>> the whole thing. I've got a use for bits of track rod tube, too, so it
>> won't be entirely wasteful. Assuming it's the same size tube as the early
>> 110 ones.
>>
>>
>
>NRC132 Series Track Rod Suff E on £18.07 inc VAT
>RTC5867GR Series Track Rod End Suffix E on RH Thread (1974) -
> No Shoulder On Thread - Use ONLY with Matching Tube
> £5.64 inc VAT
>RTC5868GR Series Track Rod End Suffix E on LH Thread (1974) -
> No Shoulder On Thread - Use ONLY with Matching Tube
> £5.64 inc VAT

since I need the ends anyway (if one's gone, the other might as well be
changed) then that only adds 18 quid to the bill.

are drag link ends the same, and are they too shouldered or not-shouldered?
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Festina Lente" (Hasten slowly) Suetonius (c.70-c.140) Augustus, 25
 
On or around Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:34:17 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On or around Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:07:41 +0100, beamendsltd
><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>
>>NRC132 Series Track Rod Suff E on £18.07 inc VAT


oh, and assuming suffix E refers to the VIN, I assume that rod will also fit
earlier motors? Mine's an SIII suffix A.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Nessun maggior dolore che ricordarsi del tempo felice nella miseria"
- Dante Alighieri (1265 - 1321) from Divina Commedia 'Inferno'
 

"beamendsltd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> Series (excluding SI) are to all intents and purposes identical -
> some of the bolts are metric and the windscreen frame is an ally
> casting rather than a steel frame requiring a sligtly modded
> roof - that's about it!
>
> Richard
>
All Series windscreen frames are of galvanised steel construction, including
Series 1, I think you're confusing them with Defenders.

Martin


 
In message <[email protected]>
"Oily" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> "beamendsltd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >
> > Series (excluding SI) are to all intents and purposes identical -
> > some of the bolts are metric and the windscreen frame is an ally
> > casting rather than a steel frame requiring a sligtly modded
> > roof - that's about it!
> >
> > Richard
> >
> All Series windscreen frames are of galvanised steel construction, including
> Series 1, I think you're confusing them with Defenders.
>
> Martin
>
>

The quoted paragraph is the conclusion of a comparison between
Series and Defender - put back in context and it makes sense!

Richard

--
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
RISC-OS - Where have all the good guys gone?
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In message <[email protected]>
Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> On or around Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:07:41 +0100, beamendsltd
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >In message <[email protected]>
> > Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On or around Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:45:09 +0100, beamendsltd
> >> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
> >>
> >> >In message <[email protected]>
> >> > R L driver <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Larry wrote:
> >> >> > Gotta be a rarity though, death by Land Rover so what happened?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> The Landrover or what was left of it had overturned and seemed to be
> >> >> resting on its bulkhead,right up against the roundabout. The vehicle was
> >> >> laying in line with the roundabout , rather than at right angles to it
> >> >> so it appeared to have been going round rather than coming onto the
> >> >> roundabout. I could tell by the axles that it was and old series model
> >> >> and a backwards glance at the front as I went past made me think that it
> >> >> probably had no screen or that it had been folded down as the bonnet was
> >> >> effectively lying on the road. Goodness knows what happened.
> >> >> Steve the grease
> >> >
> >> >While not wishing to speculate on what happened, as there are so
> >> >many possibilities, it does remind me of when a freind and his son
> >> >were killed in similar circumstances due to an incorrect mixture of
> >> >shouldered and non-shouldered track rod ends.
> >>
> >> which reminds me, need some for Edward II. actually, the easy way out of
> >> this (since I've yet to work out which kind) is 2 ends and a rod and replace
> >> the whole thing. I've got a use for bits of track rod tube, too, so it
> >> won't be entirely wasteful. Assuming it's the same size tube as the early
> >> 110 ones.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >NRC132 Series Track Rod Suff E on £18.07 inc VAT
> >RTC5867GR Series Track Rod End Suffix E on RH Thread (1974) -
> > No Shoulder On Thread - Use ONLY with Matching Tube
> > £5.64 inc VAT
> >RTC5868GR Series Track Rod End Suffix E on LH Thread (1974) -
> > No Shoulder On Thread - Use ONLY with Matching Tube
> > £5.64 inc VAT
>
> since I need the ends anyway (if one's gone, the other might as well be
> changed) then that only adds 18 quid to the bill.
>
> are drag link ends the same, and are they too shouldered or not-shouldered?

Both the tube and the TRE's above are the non-shouldered types -
the pre Suff. E (shouldered) ones are:

608464 Series Track Rod End RH Thread To Suffix D (1974) -
With Shoulder On Thread - Use Only With Matching Tube
£7.05 inc VAT
320902 Series Track Rod End LH Thread To Suffix D (1974) -
With Shoulder On Thread - Use Only With Matching Tube
£7.05 inc VAT
526994 Track Rod - Series to Suff. D - Use With Shouldered
Track Rod Ends Only (608464 & 320902)
£21.15 inc VAT

The two types of TRE's are never mixed on one tube, though I have
seen the non-shouldered type drilled out to accept the wrong
type of TRE (the mind boggles!).

Richard

--
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
RISC-OS - Where have all the good guys gone?
Lib Dems - Townies keeping comedy alive
 
In message <[email protected]>
Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> On or around Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:34:17 +0100, Austin Shackles
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >On or around Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:07:41 +0100, beamendsltd
> ><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
> >
> >>
> >>NRC132 Series Track Rod Suff E on £18.07 inc VAT
>
>
> oh, and assuming suffix E refers to the VIN, I assume that rod will also fit
> earlier motors? Mine's an SIII suffix A.

The rods are the same length - yours should have shouldered TRE's,
but then who knows if the tube has been swapped at some time?

Richard
--
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
RISC-OS - Where have all the good guys gone?
Lib Dems - Townies keeping comedy alive
 
On or around Thu, 20 Jul 2006 08:33:07 +0100, beamendsltd
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>In message <[email protected]>
> Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On or around Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:34:17 +0100, Austin Shackles
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>> >On or around Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:07:41 +0100, beamendsltd
>> ><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>NRC132 Series Track Rod Suff E on £18.07 inc VAT
>>
>>
>> oh, and assuming suffix E refers to the VIN, I assume that rod will also fit
>> earlier motors? Mine's an SIII suffix A.
>
>The rods are the same length - yours should have shouldered TRE's,
>but then who knows if the tube has been swapped at some time?

yebbut, if I replace the tube as well I've not got a problem. I'm not
bothered about originality but I would like to have the tracking right :)

OK, order will be formulated shortly. Gotta get the motor repaired and
MOTted by end of August...
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Remember that to change your mind and follow him who sets you right
is to be none the less free than you were before."
Marcus Aurelius Antoninus (121-180), from Meditations, VIII.16
 
Just had two new track rod ends (for the MOT) and do you know what annoys
me, I can't throw it around corners with the same abandon as when my
steering was as loose as David Blunket's morals.


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes


"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:45:09 +0100, beamendsltd
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >In message <[email protected]>
> > R L driver <[email protected]> wrote:
> >

>
> which reminds me, need some for Edward II. actually, the easy way out of
> this (since I've yet to work out which kind) is 2 ends and a rod and
replace
> the whole thing. I've got a use for bits of track rod tube, too, so it
> won't be entirely wasteful. Assuming it's the same size tube as the early
> 110 ones.
>
>
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
> Soon shall thy arm, unconquered steam! afar Drag the slow barge, or
> drive the rapid car; Or on wide-waving wings expanded bear the
> flying chariot through the field of air.- Erasmus Darwin (1731-1802)


 
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