Can you fit +5'' Shocks on Standard Height Springs

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suspension is usually messed with and rarly is it improved on many and I mean MANY lr's have poor suspension setups lift kits and the like as they are not full kits nor do they usually give free height of springs and compression ratings. I know you have not gone the springs route yet but a heads up here by changing springs you are judging some bloke in china to manufacture a springs/shocks that gives you x ammount of lift.

you need to know how the lift is achieved?

and more info before you spend your cash. imo
 
jai_landrover said:
suspension is usually messed with and rarly is it improved on many and I mean MANY lr's have poor suspension setups lift kits and the like as they are not full kits nor do they usually give free height of springs and compression ratings. I know you have not gone the springs route yet but a heads up here by changing springs you are judging some bloke in china to manufacture a springs/shocks that gives you x ammount of lift.

you need to know how the lift is achieved?

and more info before you spend your cash. imo
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Well said, lack of knowledge is a dangerous thing and can lead to bad or dangerous modifications! If in doubt take advice, not from the guy down the pub!


DD
 
If I had £1 for every lifted landy with poorly setup suspension typically (rock solid brightly coloured suspension, polybush type bushes with cranked arms & binding propshafts ect. I'd be a very rich man by now.

Usualy accomplished by the owner telling me how wonderful it offroad, nothing stops Never gets stuck and produced proudly pics of wheels waving in the air unfortunatly laughing at them only upests them and there are many forum people falling for the same marketing bling because all the mags say how wonderful they are, the shows (put on by magazines) shout how wonderful these things are. Ever wondered who gives the magazines the parts to fit and market?


Agreed there is some good stuff out there getting the correct mix and match recepie requires much understanding, much fitting measuring and testing and not just buying a so called "kit" because without much measuring testing and some understanding of how it works you will be ****ing in the wind I'm afraid.
 
The Mad Hat Man said:
I am not convinced that will give greater angular displacement of the balljoint which, i believe is one of the limiting factors here.
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It's fully adjustable to align it correctly to allow maximum ball joint movement! Plus in competition you'll probably find some undoing the lock nut so the joint can rotate in the thread, it can't unscrew cos it's anchored.
 
jai_landrover said:
If I had £1 for every lifted landy with poorly setup suspension typically (rock solid brightly coloured suspension, polybush type bushes with cranked arms & binding propshafts ect. I'd be a very rich man by now.

Usualy accomplished by the owner telling me how wonderful it offroad, nothing stops Never gets stuck and produced proudly pics of wheels waving in the air unfortunatly laughing at them only upests them and there are many forum people falling for the same marketing bling because all the mags say how wonderful they are, the shows (put on by magazines) shout how wonderful these things are. Ever wondered who gives the magazines the parts to fit and market?


Agreed there is some good stuff out there getting the correct mix and match recepie requires much understanding, much fitting measuring and testing and not just buying a so called "kit" because without much measuring testing and some understanding of how it works you will be ****ing in the wind I'm afraid.
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I agree with jl, I wouldnt do cad drawings and work out anti squat, anti dive and roll centres if it wasnt necessary!
The lr scene is plagued by bolt on junk
 
Can someone please explain how fitting +5 springs is going to give him more travel?

I understand that +5" is +5", so is more available travel but its surely not usable? Your still not gaining any room to use the +5"?! :confused:

The shock will not force the axle down and keep the wheel in contact with the floor. So how does it help?
And the wheel on the otherside will not drop any further down to allow more articulation so there fore the axle with +5 shocks is in exactly the same position as it would be with standard shocks. So there fore no more articulation can be achieved? :confused:
 
BIG_GINGA_BEARD said:
yes but without increasing the room between axle and chassis you can't make use of that room.

Without fitting shock droppers, but that hasnt been mentioned.
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You need to raise the mount to stop the shock bottoming out and breaking! Drop it and you'll make it worse, you'll get more droop travel so the spring will dislocate.


DD
 
Diesel Do said:
You need to raise the mount to stop the shock bottoming out and breaking!

You can only raise the front though(i have done this on my own motor ;) ) You cant do this on the rear on a defender.

Drop it and you'll make it worse, you'll get more droop travel so the spring will dislocate.

Ok, explain please! Dropping the shock will allow more travel, i get this, as will the +5" will give you more travel.

BUT his axle and chassis are still the same distance apart IE: the height between them is still the same. The shock will just be compressed inside itself by the weight of the vehicle.

your not going to gain any more movement as the shocks will not raise the height of the vehicle alone, you need a spring or spacer lift to achieve this!


DD
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Answers in red
 
BIG_GINGA_BEARD said:
Answers in red
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He won't get upward travel, that will be the same. The downward travel is limited by the length of the shock, so use a longer shock and the axle will go down more in the same way as lowering your top shock mount! The problem comes because the compressed length of the shock is going to be at least 2.5" longer than standard! So you don't hit the bump stop the shock will bottom out first possibly breaking. Hence with standard springs you need to move the mounts upwards to stop the shock bottoming out at full compression! It will give more droop than standard still! Or you could put massive bump stops on and loose upward travel:)
 
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Note the 3' long shocks and raised suspension mount, plus the amount of dislocation on the spring.
This is one I built! And it's the effect he'll get with standard springs longer shocks and mounts raised slightly!
 
That's why I said about +2" shocks and springs, so he will gain droop and compression!!

It just depends on what the use is for!!

Mine is +2" HD which is perfect for off road but too hard for the road, but good for towing on the road.
So it's just finding that happy medium that suits your needs.

Road going standard is fine
Off-road you want lifted
 
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