:0) Finally! - Morph gets painted

Just got the wheels and roof to do.

http://www.lrproject.com/morphpainted/

....next time someone suggests stripping the 12 layers of Camo from a 101 I
hope they have a high pain threshold ;0)

Lee D


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"Lee_D" wrote
> Just got the wheels and roof to do.
>
> http://www.lrproject.com/morphpainted/
>
> ...next time someone suggests stripping the 12 layers of Camo from a 101 I
> hope they have a high pain threshold ;0)
>

Spray or brush/roller?

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"Bob Hobden" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Lee_D" wrote
>> Just got the wheels and roof to do.
>>
>> http://www.lrproject.com/morphpainted/
>>
>> ...next time someone suggests stripping the 12 layers of Camo from a 101
>> I hope they have a high pain threshold ;0)
>>
>
> Spray or brush/roller?

Spray this time. Percy was rollered. I think I'll roller the roof if only to
save the masking up.

Percys rollered Piccys are here...

http://www.lrproject.com/percy/painted/

the finish On Percy was in my opinion far better. Though I have sprayed matt
cellulose this time but I've yet to get a finish which doesn't need work.
Doesn't help spraying in the great outdoors either.

The Range Rover which I sprayed a few weeks back polished up well. I've yet
to upload my piccys. Will do soon.

Lee D

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 21:15:44 +0100, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Just got the wheels and roof to do.
>
>http://www.lrproject.com/morphpainted/
>
>...next time someone suggests stripping the 12 layers of Camo from a 101 I
>hope they have a high pain threshold ;0)

Looking good! want to come round and do mine while youre at it?

I can now say that mine is shinier than yours!

and we all know that you got your parents to strip the camo off so you
cant really say that!

Did you strip the roof? I was wondering if i could just get away with
sanding and painting over mine cos nobodys every going to see it
closely except me!

"Tom Woods" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Looking good! want to come round and do mine while youre at it?

Erm...nope. I;ve had my madk on nearly 9 hours today give or take a munchie
break. Not nice.

> I can now say that mine is shinier than yours!

Indeed.. can't believe how much smaller it looks painted.... almost
miniscule ;0)

> and we all know that you got your parents to strip the camo off so you
> cant really say that!

They made a cracking start... but left the finer detail to me.

> Did you strip the roof?

Nah!

> I was wondering if i could just get away with
> sanding and painting over mine cos nobodys every going to see it
> closely except me!

Do it.. It didn't mind the overspray. I'd be tempted to seal it first then
paint it with your colour. When I say seal I mean something rubbery to keep
out the moisture.

Lee D

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 22:46:14 +0100, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"Tom Woods" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>> Looking good! want to come round and do mine while youre at it?
>
>Erm...nope. I;ve had my madk on nearly 9 hours today give or take a munchie
>break. Not nice.

Thats how it was when i sprayed my car. almost collapsed when i was
done and got back in!
rememeber that youre supposed to replace the filters on the mask after
so many hours of use too. (not only do they not filter that well but
you can hardly breathe through them!)
>
>> I can now say that mine is shinier than yours!
>
>Indeed.. can't believe how much smaller it looks painted.... almost
>miniscule ;0)

the mirror effect should really make them look smaller (or invisible!)


>> and we all know that you got your parents to strip the camo off so you
>> cant really say that!
>
>They made a cracking start... but left the finer detail to me.

i'm just tired of scraping! and have an unhealthy stack of reciepts
for nowt but nitromors!

>Do it.. It didn't mind the overspray. I'd be tempted to seal it first then
>paint it with your colour. When I say seal I mean something rubbery to keep
>out the moisture.

half of my roof is double skinned anyway since i chequer plated it to
cover the holes where the cross was. That doesnt leak atall!

You could perhaps seal it with PVA glue?. Works on bathroom floors!

In message <[email protected]>
"Lee_D" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Just got the wheels and roof to do.
>
>http://www.lrproject.com/morphpainted/
>
>...next time someone suggests stripping the 12 layers of Camo from a
>101 I hope they have a high pain threshold ;0)
>
>Lee D
>
>
Lee,
Did you use the paint purchased from Gaydon and did it turn out to be
cellulose? I've found one reference to Xylene being used in synthetic
paint but unclear as to why.

Steve.


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"Stephen Hull" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In message <[email protected]>

> Lee,
> Did you use the paint purchased from Gaydon and did it turn out to be
> cellulose? I've found one reference to Xylene being used in synthetic
> paint but unclear as to why.

I took the Synth compatible primer I had back to the supplier and swapped it
for cellulose primer and got another tin of cellulose thinners. I've applied
the spray Xylene based what ever it is mixed 50/50 cellulose thinners
without any major problems. Due to spraying uncovered in the great outdoors
this time the paint was virtualy dry on application as is to be expected.
The finish is a little coarse to the touch as was the Range Rover when I did
that. The Range rover polished up a treat after flatting off with 1500's
then g3 then polishing... though I could do with going over it again soon as
there is the odd patch here and there which need buffing up. I've not bought
a air polisher yet , that will have to wait till after my hols..got MOT's x2
imminent.

The paint man (at Gaydon) recommended 10% xylene based thinners... I used
50% (thats the kind of guy I am! ;0) ) cellulose thinners (which had xylene
refences in its contents/ingredients). I've not got a viscousity (sp?) cup
but I'd have thought 10% thinners would have left the paint too thick..
though it may have gone on in more of a wetter for longer state I expect.

Now the dilema. Morph (101) is a Matt finish but I'd like to remove the
coarse finish (to the touch) if I flat it with 1500's and soapy water do you
think this should be ok? I suspect so. Visually the paint is fine..but then
it's not rocket science getting a psuedo military finish (I couldn't find an
origional yard brush!)

I'm looking for a matt but smooth to the touch finish so getting a gloss
isn't a problem. Given it will be like flatting a football pitch I can see
it being done in installments :0) though to be fair it's a 1500's is a lot
less work than the pre paint prep.

First I have to paint the wheels and roof then sort the MOT again.

Any tips for doing wheels? I've flakey matt camo on no doubt a gloss bronze
green some where underneath. I'm looking for minimum effort presentible
finish.

I have some nitromors left over but will this attack / weaken the tyre valve
/ tube?

Interestingly I haven't done any prep to the roof area, the overspray seemed
happy to sit on the camo paint with out any noticable reactions. I'm hoping
to seal the roof , any recomendations for this before the colour gets
applied and will the colour sit happily on the recommended (assuming there
is one) product.


Many many thanks again, without your pointers I'd have been stripping the
first pannel again due to potential reaction between conflicting paints.

Lee D

On or around Fri, 17 Jun 2005 21:15:44 +0100, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Just got the wheels and roof to do.
>
>http://www.lrproject.com/morphpainted/
>
>...next time someone suggests stripping the 12 layers of Camo from a 101 I
>hope they have a high pain threshold ;0)

coo. very smart.

I guess that's what you've been up to while the rest of us were getting
sunburnt in herefordshire.

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Boswell's "Johnson".

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> coo. very smart.
>
> I guess that's what you've been up to while the rest of us were getting
> sunburnt in herefordshire.

Yeah, my sidekick had booked leave so I had to hold the fort (

Perhaphs as well as I'm actually begining to get somewhere with the fleet
again.

Can we entice you to Billing? Morph may make an appearance..but then if he
doesn't one of the fleet will :0)

Lee D
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& other such tinkerings.
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On or around Sun, 19 Jun 2005 23:06:30 +0100, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news[email protected]...
>
>> coo. very smart.
>>
>> I guess that's what you've been up to while the rest of us were getting
>> sunburnt in herefordshire.
>
>Yeah, my sidekick had booked leave so I had to hold the fort (
>
>Perhaphs as well as I'm actually begining to get somewhere with the fleet
>again.
>
>Can we entice you to Billing? Morph may make an appearance..but then if he
>doesn't one of the fleet will :0)

more likely the LRO show which is to be in 3 counties showground this year.

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Boswell's "Johnson".

Austin Shackles wrote:

>>Can we entice you to Billing? Morph may make an appearance..but then if he
>>doesn't one of the fleet will :0)
>
>
> more likely the LRO show which is to be in 3 counties showground this year.
>
.....and on Bank Holiday weekend. Oh the joy of the M5.

Steve

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"Lee_D" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"Stephen Hull" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> In message <[email protected]>
>
>> Lee,
>> Did you use the paint purchased from Gaydon and did it turn out to be
>> cellulose? I've found one reference to Xylene being used in synthetic
>> paint but unclear as to why.
>
>I took the Synth compatible primer I had back to the supplier and swapped it
>for cellulose primer and got another tin of cellulose thinners. I've applied
>the spray Xylene based what ever it is mixed 50/50 cellulose thinners
>without any major problems. Due to spraying uncovered in the great outdoors
>this time the paint was virtualy dry on application as is to be expected.

During this hot weather a slow thinner would have been to your
advantage helping the paint atomise better.

>The finish is a little coarse to the touch as was the Range Rover when I did
>that. The Range rover polished up a treat after flatting off with 1500's
>then g3 then polishing... though I could do with going over it again soon as
>there is the odd patch here and there which need buffing up. I've not bought
>a air polisher yet , that will have to wait till after my hols..got MOT's x2
>imminent.
>
>The paint man (at Gaydon) recommended 10% xylene based thinners... I used
>50% (thats the kind of guy I am! ;0) ) cellulose thinners (which had xylene
>refences in its contents/ingredients). I've not got a viscousity (sp?) cup
>but I'd have thought 10% thinners would have left the paint too thick..
>though it may have gone on in more of a wetter for longer state I expect.

A thinning ratio of 10% would be my recomendation for synthetic based
paint, cellulose however would be closer to 75%.
The first few coats are always applied thin to retain the flat
previously prepared surface and the last coat sprayed on thicker usually
50-50 this gives the finish a wet look which gives you an easier time
polishing or compounding.

>Now the dilema. Morph (101) is a Matt finish but I'd like to remove the
>coarse finish (to the touch) if I flat it with 1500's and soapy water do you
>think this should be ok? I suspect so. Visually the paint is fine..but then
>it's not rocket science getting a psuedo military finish (I couldn't find an
>origional yard brush!)

Flatting with 1500 will work providing the wet-or-dry is coarse enough
to remove your rough areas, failing that try 1200 or 800.

>I'm looking for a matt but smooth to the touch finish so getting a gloss
>isn't a problem. Given it will be like flatting a football pitch I can see
>it being done in installments :0) though to be fair it's a 1500's is a lot
>less work than the pre paint prep.
>
>First I have to paint the wheels and roof then sort the MOT again.
>
>Any tips for doing wheels? I've flakey matt camo on no doubt a gloss bronze
>green some where underneath. I'm looking for minimum effort presentible
>finish.

I use one of those 3M "clean n strip" fibre discs on an electric drill,
It will remove stubborn rust deposits with causing any damage to your
metalwork.

>I have some nitromors left over but will this attack / weaken the tyre valve
>/ tube?

Stick a tube over the valve or tape it up, I wouldn't recommend prolonged
contact with paint removers on rubber or plastic components, Even turps
can dissolve certain types of rubber.

>Interestingly I haven't done any prep to the roof area, the overspray seemed
>happy to sit on the camo paint with out any noticable reactions. I'm hoping
>to seal the roof , any recomendations for this before the colour gets
>applied and will the colour sit happily on the recommended (assuming there
>is one) product.

The overspray was probably dry before settling on the roof or at least
has dried well before reaction could take place.
As a sealer barrier or isolating coat I'd recommend "Barcote" it's a
greeny yellow colour ready to use straight from the tin no thinning
required and it easily covers in one coat as recommended.

>
>Many many thanks again, without your pointers I'd have been stripping the
>first pannel again due to potential reaction between conflicting paints.
>
>Lee D
>
No Prob

Steve.



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