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On Sun, 1 May 2005 21:00:56 +0000 (UTC), "Graham G" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Emma had done a grand job with the shop. Will be even better at Eastnor as
>all being well all the new ranges of stock will be there.


Emma is doing an absolutely ace job and the club is VERY lucky to have
her. It's another of those 'thankless jobs' that's hard to fill. To
fill it with someone with such enthusiasm is remarkable - and she's
pretty too :)

 
We were gobsmacked you didn't win......

I've got my pitchfork and torch ready to oust the fixers....

--
Neil


 
>>Emma had done a grand job with the shop. Will be even better at Eastnor as
>>all being well all the new ranges of stock will be there.

>
> Emma is doing an absolutely ace job and the club is VERY lucky to have
> her. It's another of those 'thankless jobs' that's hard to fill. To
> fill it with someone with such enthusiasm is remarkable -


She's thoroughly enjoying herself! She has always been one of those sorts of
people, she worked tirelesly for YFC clubs for 15 years eventually being
county chairman in warwickshire in 2003, and that really is thankless I can
tell you. I think she just enjoys meeting new people and working in a club
atmosphere.

and she's
> pretty too :)


should probably agree with that I guess ;o)


 
On Tue, 03 May 2005 11:30:07 +0100, Mother <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net> made
me spill my meths when he wrote:

>Fantastic turnout - proves we have the most enthusiastic membership
>base going IMO, shame the effort you chaps put in wasn't reflected by
>the idiot organisers, though.


So who won then Martyn? And did the 101 display get a Mention in
Dispatches?
--

Wayne Davies, Harrogate 07989 556213

Just another point of view...
www.4x4prejudice.org
 
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 03 May 2005 11:30:07 +0100, Mother <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net> made
> me spill my meths when he wrote:
>
>>Fantastic turnout - proves we have the most enthusiastic membership
>>base going IMO, shame the effort you chaps put in wasn't reflected by
>>the idiot organisers, though.

>
> So who won then Martyn? And did the 101 display get a Mention in
> Dispatches?
> --
>
> Wayne Davies, Harrogate 07989 556213


Series 1 Club....

no mention and the stand was refered to several times through Sunday morning
by the comentator as being the EMLRA stand. Easy mistake though, ones full
of Military Landrovers and the other is full of Military Landrovers.

A little disappointing as it was a good display, but hey ho it's all a bit
of fun at the end of the day.

Lee D


 
On Tue, 3 May 2005 19:23:31 +0100, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>no mention and the stand was refered to several times through Sunday morning
>by the comentator as being the EMLRA stand. Easy mistake though, ones full
>of Military Landrovers and the other is full of Military Landrovers.


One would have hoped that the organisers would have had a little more
nouse to know the difference - if only by the huge 16 foot banner
saying "101 Forward Control Club and Register". My view is they
simply weren't bothered.

>A little disappointing as it was a good display, but hey ho it's all a bit
>of fun at the end of the day.


A bit of fun yes, however so many people really pulled out all the
stops to go for this award and the display was the best I can
remember. To be snubbed in such a dissmissive way leaves many people
feeling that it simply isn't worth the bother. This in turn makes it
far harder to get people to turn out to shows.

 
On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:50:17 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>And did the 101 display get a Mention in
>Dispatches?


Not even a whisper. Next year I reckon the club should fill the stand
with a dozen Space Hoppers - as the organisers seemed far more
interested in the Space hopper race than any of the vehicles at the
show. Won't be an issue for me as this is probably my last show
season, another reason I'm ****ed off not to have got any form of
recognition for the work our Show Officer and members put in.

 
"Mother" <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> <snip>
>
> My view is they simply weren't bothered.


What miffed me a bit was that all the commentator seemed to want to mention
about my 90 as I drove down into the arena was the fact that my Dad was
stood up inside (yes, the roof was off...)

To paraphrase "we must stress that you must not stand up in a vehicle when
off roading. You really mustn't stand up in a Land Rover when off road". I
haven't seen a program from the weekend so have no idea what they actually
put down about my 90 (if anything).

The cavalcade organisation was a little poor (what's with driving into the
arena twice, and not being able to take photos in an empty car park at Land
Rover?) and the Heritage Run route is getting a bit less interesting every
year.. or maybe I'm getting used to it :eek:(

No doubt will give it another try next year..

Martin
--
1988 90 Td5 Converted NAS Replica
www.web-rover.co.uk | www.disco3.co.uk


 
"Mother" <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> One would have hoped that the organisers would have had a little more
> nouse to know the difference - if only by the huge 16 foot banner
> saying "101 Forward Control Club and Register". My view is they
> simply weren't bothered.


True, true.

> A bit of fun yes, however so many people really pulled out all the
> stops to go for this award and the display was the best I can
> remember. To be snubbed in such a dissmissive way leaves many people
> feeling that it simply isn't worth the bother. This in turn makes it
> far harder to get people to turn out to shows.


I went two years ago with Morph and sneaked on the stand, I didn't know
there was any award for the stands. I only learned of the award last year
reading your site write up after the event. I know I did very little to
contibute and take my hat off to those who run the shop and really push the
boat out. For me it wasn't really about any award, I consider myself quite
privalidged to have a vehicle on display, especially given its current
state. I even though twice about going but then thought it's all well and
good having vehicles you can eat you dinner off and the tricked up vehicles,
I think Morph helped show how much work is involved to get a truck up to
scratch (externally). If only it saves a few being wrecked or butchered then
flogged on ebay my mission was accomplished.

I think the stand represented all angles of the ownership spectrum, the
Series 1 stand seemed to have vehicles that were heavily restored and very
few of them too. I saw six to eight on my visit.

An award would have been the icing on the cake but to be honest I don't
really think any of the visitors know or care for the award, they are just
there to soak up the atmosphere and the vehicles.

Your cleared to land on runway four ;0)

Lee D


 
Yes I know it's bad form to reply to myself, but wanted to say that the 101
Club stand was excellent, had a brief nosey round and was very impressed.

Not on that the club didn't get the prize, there had obviously been a lot of
time spent in preparation that evidently wasn't recognised. Big shame.

Martin


 
On or around Tue, 03 May 2005 16:50:17 GMT, [email protected]
enlightened us thusly:

>On Tue, 03 May 2005 11:30:07 +0100, Mother <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net> made
>me spill my meths when he wrote:
>
>>Fantastic turnout - proves we have the most enthusiastic membership
>>base going IMO, shame the effort you chaps put in wasn't reflected by
>>the idiot organisers, though.

>
>So who won then Martyn? And did the 101 display get a Mention in
>Dispatches?


apparently not. buggrem, I say - your display looks every bit as good as
any of the rest; and better than some, by far.


Heyho. I guess I should get a 101 to go with the big trailer - it's a bit
of a sod to tow behind the discos - the 110 managed it a bit better;
possibly the longer wheelbase makes a difference or it might be the softer
suspension on the disco; either way, with my disco[1] on the back and towing
it with the TDi, it didn't feel safe above 40.

There are a couple of things that bother me about the 101, though; and I've
not yet found out if they're fixable things:

a) nonstandard parts. I know the club does very well at supplying these,
but the nature of my operation means that the ability to get parts same day
or next day is quite important. How much of the stuff that goes wrong
(wheel bearings, propshaft joints, that sort of thing) is standard, and how
much unique to the 101? Is it practical to run a 101 as an everyday working
vehicle doing about 80 miles per day, and moreover, on the kind of work
where more than a few failures per year is a major problem?

b) comfort. what with the mileage, etc., I'd want something decent in the
way of seats. How practical is it to rip out the existing seats and
substitute something like disco seats or sierra seats on custom bases, or on
the existing base(s)? I assume the 101 has a seatbox style arrangement
something analogous to the series? Anyone put different seats in, and with
what results?



c) cost. Purchase cost, running costs. I suspect the best-looking option
would be a 3.9+auto combination, but what sort of fuel bills would that land
me with? Anyone tried a transplant from a 3.9 disco or RR into a 101?
easy/hard/impossible?

Having towed the laden big trailer with the 300 TDi, I reckon it'd be
underpowered as standard for the 101; it don't go as nicely as my 3.5i/LPG
one in this respect; although the 300 TDi disco is overgeared for heavy
towing work, it has to be said - struggles to move off on moderate uphills
in 1H, without using excessive revs and clutch slip, and almost never used
5th, towing a bit over 3 tons.

and of course, the final point, availability... I'd be looking at something
with 9 seats, finally; I guess the ideal body would be the radio van, but I
don't see any of them going cheap. In fact, I don't generally see any 101s
going cheap. A GS would do, in fact, as I could build it a body, no doubt,
and no doubt too I could source suitable windows and things... I could of
course (and would have to in any case) sell my disco to fund it, but not
'til afterwards; also, it's not realistically worth all that much. If it
were up to me, I'd sell the 300 TDi, which would fetch more, but sadly that
ain't mine to sell :)

The alternative is the transit-LR-110 hybrid idea, of course. But that
project is on hold until I can find someone to sell the first one to, to
make a bit of dosh.

[1] barstard thing had a dead wheelbearing on the way back from oop north
(Kendal, roughly), luckily only about 45 miles from home. Fixed now, at
least I got to play with me new hub nut spanner.


--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"Brevis esse laboro, Obscurus fio" (it is when I struggle to be
brief that I become obscure) Horace (65 - 8 BC) Ars Poetica, 25
 
>
>Heyho. I guess I should get a 101 to go with the big trailer - it's a bit
>of a sod to tow behind the discos - the 110 managed it a bit better;
>possibly the longer wheelbase makes a difference or it might be the softer
>suspension on the disco; either way, with my disco[1] on the back and towing
>it with the TDi, it didn't feel safe above 40.
>
>There are a couple of things that bother me about the 101, though; and I've
>not yet found out if they're fixable things:
>
>a) nonstandard parts. I know the club does very well at supplying these,
>but the nature of my operation means that the ability to get parts same day
>or next day is quite important. How much of the stuff that goes wrong
>(wheel bearings, propshaft joints, that sort of thing) is standard, and how
>much unique to the 101? Is it practical to run a 101 as an everyday working
>vehicle doing about 80 miles per day, and moreover, on the kind of work
>where more than a few failures per year is a major problem?


The engine is easy enough, as are most of the normal consumables.
There's a lot of contemporary Series / Range Rover stuff in there, and
in true LR style you can often fit something non standard. I've not
done much work on mine though, so I couldn't be too definitive!

I will say one thing though... Some aspects of it are a right **** to
work on. You need a broken wrist to put the coil lead on, for
example...

>
>b) comfort. what with the mileage, etc., I'd want something decent in the
>way of seats. How practical is it to rip out the existing seats and
>substitute something like disco seats or sierra seats on custom bases, or on
>the existing base(s)? I assume the 101 has a seatbox style arrangement
>something analogous to the series? Anyone put different seats in, and with
>what results?


Once you are in, it's got a better driving position than any Series /
Defender. Mine gets wearing after a while because the seat base is
worn away to nowt, but at 6 foot 1 I find the position itself fine,
although I do like a short-arm long-leg position (which is part of the
reason why I hate Alfa Romeos so much).

>
>c) cost. Purchase cost, running costs. I suspect the best-looking option
>would be a 3.9+auto combination, but what sort of fuel bills would that land
>me with? Anyone tried a transplant from a 3.9 disco or RR into a 101?
>easy/hard/impossible?
>
>Having towed the laden big trailer with the 300 TDi, I reckon it'd be
>underpowered as standard for the 101; it don't go as nicely as my 3.5i/LPG
>one in this respect; although the 300 TDi disco is overgeared for heavy
>towing work, it has to be said - struggles to move off on moderate uphills
>in 1H, without using excessive revs and clutch slip, and almost never used
>5th, towing a bit over 3 tons.


My 3.5 is now, thanks to Mr Warren, very well sorted and will do 70
all day long. With longer gears it would do a lot more I'm sure. As
standard it ran to 135 bhp but I reckon mine is producing at least
that if not more. With the standard gearing I think you could tow
anything you liked. IIRC it is only actually rated to 2 tonnes
though, so you might have a problem there....

>
>and of course, the final point, availability... I'd be looking at something
>with 9 seats, finally; I guess the ideal body would be the radio van, but I
>don't see any of them going cheap. In fact, I don't generally see any 101s
>going cheap. A GS would do, in fact, as I could build it a body, no doubt,
>and no doubt too I could source suitable windows and things... I could of
>course (and would have to in any case) sell my disco to fund it, but not
>'til afterwards; also, it's not realistically worth all that much. If it
>were up to me, I'd sell the 300 TDi, which would fetch more, but sadly that
>ain't mine to sell :)
>


ebay has basket cases from time to time at small money, but I don't
know just how bad they are. It seems to me that if you have a minter
in original paint and kit then the sky's the limit, but once you
butcher them they are worth much less. That's what I keep telling
Mandy anyway....

>The alternative is the transit-LR-110 hybrid idea, of course. But that
>project is on hold until I can find someone to sell the first one to, to
>make a bit of dosh.


And you'd lose money on the first one....


--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'03 Volvo V70
 
> Not even a whisper. Next year I reckon the club should fill the stand
> with a dozen Space Hoppers - as the organisers seemed far more
> interested in the Space hopper race than any of the vehicles at the
> show.


....or a load of minature 'cough' rip off 'cough' versions. That would have
one for sure.

Given the fact we were refered to as the ex military lot, and given that the
ex military lot were next door, and that they won third place with IMO a
poorer display (no disrespect to them, quality vehicles, just lacked variety
IMO), I can't help but wonder if the organisers completely missed the big
banner of ours and put it down as all one club.

Won't be an issue for me as this is probably my last show
> season, another reason I'm ****ed off not to have got any form of
> recognition for the work our Show Officer and members put in.


Here here! How come this will be your last year? Just wouldn't be the same
without you around. Have to say, Emma and I are both agreed that you and
Charlotte (Emma likes Charlotte) really made us feel welcome/accepted
helping to make the weeked for us.

God, no Martyn, that leaves Alisdair and Hugh to talk to
aaaaaarrrrrrrrggggghhhhhh ;o)

Graham


 
>>Anyway, piccys are here for those of you who didn't make it
>
> Mine are here:
>


Great pics Martyn! The one of Emma is good, although she disagrees, in her
words "my god I look awful!" apparently she had a look at lunchtime, and her
mother walked in just as she had it up on screen. She found it most amusing,
much to Emma's disgust! :eek:)


 
I suppose you can get used to anything, but when I look at the contortions
of my long legs in a series I can't really describe that as comfortable,
never mind what a 101 might exact.

I think my biggest objection to a 101 apart from the fuel consumption (which
probably is not worse than my camper conversion on a series ) is the spares
situation and the cost of tyres etc...

Though I have to admit I was tempted to buy one as my first entry into the
LR world.

Any way for all the basket cases of Land Rovers I am sure mine qualifies up
there in lights.


--
þT

L'autisme c'est moi

"Space folds, and folded space bends, and bent folded space contracts and
expands unevenly in every way unconcievable except to someone who does not
believe in the laws of mathematics"


"Tim Hobbs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >

snip



> The engine is easy enough, as are most of the normal consumables.
> There's a lot of contemporary Series / Range Rover stuff in there, and
> in true LR style you can often fit something non standard. I've not
> done much work on mine though, so I couldn't be too definitive!
>
> I will say one thing though... Some aspects of it are a right **** to
> work on. You need a broken wrist to put the coil lead on, for
> example...
>

snip
>
> Once you are in, it's got a better driving position than any Series /
> Defender. Mine gets wearing after a while because the seat base is
> worn away to nowt, but at 6 foot 1 I find the position itself fine,
> although I do like a short-arm long-leg position (which is part of the
> reason why I hate Alfa Romeos so much).
>
> >

snip
>
> My 3.5 is now, thanks to Mr Warren, very well sorted and will do 70
> all day long. With longer gears it would do a lot more I'm sure. As
> standard it ran to 135 bhp but I reckon mine is producing at least
> that if not more. With the standard gearing I think you could tow
> anything you liked. IIRC it is only actually rated to 2 tonnes
> though, so you might have a problem there....
>

snip
>
> ebay has basket cases from time to time at small money, but I don't
> know just how bad they are. It seems to me that if you have a minter
> in original paint and kit then the sky's the limit, but once you
> butcher them they are worth much less. That's what I keep telling
> Mandy anyway....
>

snip

>
> And you'd lose money on the first one....
>
>
> --
>
> Tim Hobbs
>
> '58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
> '77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
> '03 Volvo V70



 
On Tue, 3 May 2005 22:04:38 +0100, "Larry" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I suppose you can get used to anything, but when I look at the contortions
>of my long legs in a series I can't really describe that as comfortable,
>never mind what a 101 might exact.
>
>I think my biggest objection to a 101 apart from the fuel consumption (which
>probably is not worse than my camper conversion on a series ) is the spares
>situation and the cost of tyres etc...
>
>Though I have to admit I was tempted to buy one as my first entry into the
>LR world.
>
>Any way for all the basket cases of Land Rovers I am sure mine qualifies up
>there in lights.


Getting into a 101 is not all that easy (though better than lots of
military stuff). But once in I maintain that it is a far better
driving position than a Series or Defender.

The steering column six inches from your wedding tackle is also a
great accident-prevention device....




--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'03 Volvo V70
 
On Tue, 03 May 2005 23:38:11 +0100, Tim Hobbs
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Getting into a 101 is not all that easy (though better than lots of
>military stuff). But once in I maintain that it is a far better
>driving position than a Series or Defender.


I'd agree. I also like the 101 because i have plenty of headroom! (i'm
6ft3ish).
I havent done any really long driving stints in the 101 yet, but from
the shorter drives ive done i reckon its going to be better than the
series 2 which i find sharts to get unconfrtable after 2 or 3 hours.

Larry - you should give one a go sometime ;)

The only thing i dislike about driving the 101 is the heavy steering
when manouvering - but thats something that power steering should fix!

>The steering column six inches from your wedding tackle is also a
>great accident-prevention device....


 
On Tue, 3 May 2005 13:38:14 +0000 (UTC), "Graham G" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>>and she's pretty too :)

>
>should probably agree with that I guess ;o)


Especially given some of the other comments you made over the weekend,
yes. I'd still be walking with a limp should I have made such
comments! ;-)

 
On Tue, 3 May 2005 19:51:48 +0100, "Martin Lewis" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>To paraphrase "we must stress that you must not stand up in a vehicle when
>off roading. You really mustn't stand up in a Land Rover when off road". I
>haven't seen a program from the weekend so have no idea what they actually
>put down about my 90 (if anything).


"1988 Def 90 - Martin Lewis - Rebuilt in 2000 as NAS replica. Fitted
with Td5 and R380 gearbox"

Which is slightly more than Rafe got; "1971 TWT - R Aldridge"

>The cavalcade organisation was a little poor (what's with driving into the
>arena twice,


They buggered it up. The "cunning plan" was to assemble all 110
vehicles (40 less than last year) in the space by the main museum
entrance at the top. Trouble is, there's only room for 80 max there.
So, they suggested we (the 101 Club) carry on, back up past the
off-road course, down the arterial road again and muster on the stand.

Nobody bothered to tell the marshals this, so they stopped us, then
waved us on - then waved everyone else on too...

Chaos...

>and not being able to take photos in an empty car park at Land
>Rover?)


That's Land Rover rules - and very strictly enforced too. Someone had
a camera confiscated a couple of years ago, film removed, then camera
given back as they left Lode Lane. Given the setoff this year was
past the finishing sheds, nobody was really going to see anything
anyway - apart from the rather shoddy way they keep their brand new
50K+ Rangies, that is...

>and the Heritage Run route is getting a bit less interesting every
>year.. or maybe I'm getting used to it :eek:(


Still didn't stop the S3 folk getting lost ;-)

 

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