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oldskool i like your style
Its bloody simple - the EDC engine in the auto is set up to make more power than the mechanically governed manual box cars.:d:d
Tis,esp when you factor in reliabilty - the auto is far more reliable than the poxy manual.The auto is faster and any live thing beyond the towbar gets a much better ride.
Tdi manual top speed 91mph and auto 90mph
V8 manual top speed 106mph and auto 105mph
"the auto box sucks a lot of power from the engine"
A LOT of POWER I don't think so.
For you first comment,get some product knowledge,Disco 1 autoboxes have TC lock,even RRC ZF autoboxes lock their TC above a certain output shaft speed.The EDC TDI engine was rated at 122BHP compared to the manual box being 111bhp.what has top speed got to do with power (i.e torque) the constant slip from the autobox ( unless you have a box etc from VAG or someone where the torque converter locks up and gives 100% drive) you will find about 10% power loss and fuel usage through an auto box compared to a well driven manual
as for changing gear on a hill towing 3.5t........ erm if its a proper hill you wouldn't even consider it and the auto would be working hard so it wouldn't change either
If what you are saying that the auto produces more power (bhp) than tha manual is true (ill take your word for it as i honestly dont know) it is possibly because of the power loss caused by the auto box, the fact is auto boxes have greater losses than manual boxes. I know auto boxes have lock up but isn't that only in top gear?For you first comment,get some product knowledge,Disco 1 autoboxes have TC lock,even RRC ZF autoboxes lock their TC above a certain output shaft speed.The EDC TDI engine was rated at 122BHP compared to the manual box being 111bhp.
The second comment hardly needs explaining,but so you can keep up - boxes have to change down as well.......
Auto's for wimin then as they only have 2 legsOne for the left and one for the right then !!.
Del.
If what you are saying that the auto produces more power (bhp) than tha manual is true (ill take your word for it as i honestly dont know) it is possibly because of the power loss caused by the auto box, the fact is auto boxes have greater losses than manual boxes. I know auto boxes have lock up but isn't that only in top gear?
And yes i will have to concede that an a modern auto box has a smoother change than a manual, but i would always go for a manual for towing (my own personal preferance) and from experience auto boxes that do a lot of heavy towing don't tend to last as long as manual boxes and are far more expensive to repair.
I would also say that two identical vehicles one manual and one auto the manual would always be quickest off the mark.
Its a tough choice for some, but i would go fo manual.
I use low ratio if in traffic , but i can see the benifits of an auto for town and traffic work. I drive a lot of different cars and i would possibly get an auto for my bestest car (biggest problem is wifey as she uses car 99% of time and auto's scare her ) but for my buisness (garage) where i do a lot of towing i will stick with the manual. I have driven a few auto disco's 200's and 300's and found them lathargic and possitively dangerous when trying to pull out quickly.A very good friend of mine is an RAC patrol,he often gets called to hire cars with burnt out clutches,the lowest was 126miles from new.(American driver.)
That wasn't cos manuals are less reliable that was cos the driver was a ****wit american who couldn't uas a clutch
So as said its how you drive,but as TDI disco's are becoming less common now, having spent many years keeping literally hundreds of them going I think I have good reason to say that generally the auto's are more reliable long term than the manuals.
And the last time I got stuck in traffic on the M25 even my wife reminded me how bloody miserable I'd have been in a manual car - of any type.
what has top speed got to do with power (i.e torque) the constant slip from the autobox ( unless you have a box etc from VAG or someone where the torque converter locks up and gives 100% drive) you will find about 10% power loss and fuel usage through an auto box compared to a well driven manual
as for changing gear on a hill towing 3.5t........ erm if its a proper hill you wouldn't even consider it and the auto would be working hard so it wouldn't change either
Oldskool,have you ever heard the term "State the bleedin obvious" ? To put it in simple terms,this is why I put "American driver" in brackets......I use low ratio if in traffic , but i can see the benifits of an auto for town and traffic work. I drive a lot of different cars and i would possibly get an auto for my bestest car (biggest problem is wifey as she uses car 99% of time and auto's scare her ) but for my buisness (garage) where i do a lot of towing i will stick with the manual. I have driven a few auto disco's 200's and 300's and found them lathargic and possitively dangerous when trying to pull out quickly.
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