Why don't politicians like 4x4's

"Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
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> On 23 Sep 2004 08:36:56 -0700, [email protected] (MAB) wrote:
>
> >It is my belief that if required to go through
> >extra driver training the VAST majority would not be 4x4 drivers.
>
> It is my belief that if required to undergo the EXISTING >driving test

which is still a huge waste of time anyway....

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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:40:11 GMT, Alex <[email protected]>
wrote:

>>Unlike you to confuse fashion with style...
>
>I didn't know you had either....

Spoken like a true, bitter, ex-101 owner...

MAB wrote:
>
> I am a user and owner of two of the marques finest. What I am
> suggesting is to force, cajoll, frighten, or otherwise enforce drivers
> of all 4x4's to recognise the ability of their vehicles and to use
> them appropriately. It is my belief that if required to go through
> extra driver training the VAST majority would not be 4x4 drivers.
> This would leave only those that are prepared to raise their driving
> skills to meet the abilities of the vehicles they own/use and I would
> anticipate, as I said before, that some element of off road driving
> skills including respect and appreciation of the countryside would be
> included.

I take your point, although if that were to happen, I doubt if Land Rover as
a business would last a year. If it wasn't for the Disco, and latterly the
Freebie (the vast majority of which I would guess are never used off road),
LR would have gone down the pan years ago.

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On or around Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:39:04 +0000 (UTC), "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>MAB wrote:
>>
>> I am a user and owner of two of the marques finest. What I am
>> suggesting is to force, cajoll, frighten, or otherwise enforce drivers
>> of all 4x4's to recognise the ability of their vehicles and to use
>> them appropriately. It is my belief that if required to go through
>> extra driver training the VAST majority would not be 4x4 drivers.
>> This would leave only those that are prepared to raise their driving
>> skills to meet the abilities of the vehicles they own/use and I would
>> anticipate, as I said before, that some element of off road driving
>> skills including respect and appreciation of the countryside would be
>> included.
>
>I take your point, although if that were to happen, I doubt if Land Rover as
>a business would last a year. If it wasn't for the Disco, and latterly the
>Freebie (the vast majority of which I would guess are never used off road),
>LR would have gone down the pan years ago.

's all just more smoke and mirrors, anyway. summat else fro the plebs to
focus their attention on rather than criticise the govermint for making a
pig's ear of things.

>'s all just more smoke and mirrors, anyway. summat else fro the plebs to
>focus their attention on rather than criticise the govermint for making a
>pig's ear of things.

You're quite right. The Argentinians don't seem likely to oblige them
by invading this time around, so they are having to make something up.
Foxes and 4x4's are the bandwagons at the moment. After the
considerable success (ahem) of the handgun ban, it has been decided
that banning responsible driving of 4x4's will stop people from
driving them in a way which is already illegal, or worse, annoying to
people who don't like them.

If we carry on long enough, we will all be legally required to ramble,
cuddle foxes and grow beards to fit in with the norm. On the plus
side, we will then only have people with stupid voices and big teeth
to victimise, and the Janet Street-Snorter will have to be culled with
hounds.


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Tim Hobbs wrote:

>
>>'s all just more smoke and mirrors, anyway. summat else fro the plebs to
>>focus their attention on rather than criticise the govermint for making a
>>pig's ear of things.
>
> You're quite right. The Argentinians don't seem likely to oblige them
> by invading this time around, so they are having to make something up.
> Foxes and 4x4's are the bandwagons at the moment. After the
> considerable success (ahem) of the handgun ban, it has been decided
> that banning responsible driving of 4x4's will stop people from
> driving them in a way which is already illegal, or worse, annoying to
> people who don't like them.
>
> If we carry on long enough, we will all be legally required to ramble,
> cuddle foxes and grow beards to fit in with the norm. On the plus
> side, we will then only have people with stupid voices and big teeth
> to victimise, and the Janet Street-Snorter will have to be culled with
> hounds.
>
>

Ban 4x4s and I'm going to go and give my trade to Alvis or GKN. After all, a
Saracen is 6x6, not 6x6.

P.
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On or around Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:49:14 +0100, "Paul S. Brown"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Tim Hobbs wrote:
>
>>
>>>'s all just more smoke and mirrors, anyway. summat else fro the plebs to
>>>focus their attention on rather than criticise the govermint for making a
>>>pig's ear of things.
>>
>> You're quite right. The Argentinians don't seem likely to oblige them
>> by invading this time around, so they are having to make something up.
>> Foxes and 4x4's are the bandwagons at the moment. After the
>> considerable success (ahem) of the handgun ban, it has been decided
>> that banning responsible driving of 4x4's will stop people from
>> driving them in a way which is already illegal, or worse, annoying to
>> people who don't like them.
>>
>> If we carry on long enough, we will all be legally required to ramble,
>> cuddle foxes and grow beards to fit in with the norm. On the plus
>> side, we will then only have people with stupid voices and big teeth
>> to victimise, and the Janet Street-Snorter will have to be culled with
>> hounds.
>>
>>
>
>Ban 4x4s and I'm going to go and give my trade to Alvis or GKN. After all, a
>Saracen is 6x6, not 6x6.

I think you mean 4x4.

Too, I cam make a fortune building 6x6 discos... or maybe "converting" them
to 2WD...

Tim Hobbs wrote:

>
>>'s all just more smoke and mirrors, anyway. summat else fro the plebs to
>>focus their attention on rather than criticise the govermint for making a
>>pig's ear of things.
>
> You're quite right. The Argentinians don't seem likely to oblige them
> by invading this time around, so they are having to make something up.
> Foxes and 4x4's are the bandwagons at the moment. After the
> considerable success (ahem) of the handgun ban, it has been decided
> that banning responsible driving of 4x4's will stop people from
> driving them in a way which is already illegal, or worse, annoying to
> people who don't like them.
>
> If we carry on long enough, we will all be legally required to ramble,
> cuddle foxes and grow beards to fit in with the norm. On the plus
> side, we will then only have people with stupid voices and big teeth
> to victimise, and the Janet Street-Snorter will have to be culled with
> hounds.
>
>

Ban 4x4s and I'm going to go and give my trade to Alvis or GKN. After all, a
Saracen is 6x6, not 4x4.

P.
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:49:14 +0100, "Paul S. Brown"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Ban 4x4s and I'm going to go and give my trade to Alvis

I'll fecking have you for that y' know...

More to the point, Charlotte n my neighbours'll kin have you for
that...

(I did measure a Stolly to see, once... quite quickly y' understand)

Austin Shackles wrote:


> I think you mean 4x4.
>
> Too, I cam make a fortune building 6x6 discos... or maybe "converting"
> them to 2WD...


I did indeed mean 4x4. "Converting" - interesting phrase for jamming the
difflock on and removing the front propshaft, or possibly starting a market
for FWHs for Discos. (Only two wheels being driven ossifer, it's a 2WD).

Of course, with the swingeing laws this bunch of clowns keep chucking out
they could end up getting rid of a lot more cars than they were planning
on.

All Subarus for example.

Any modern performance super sports.


I don't know about anybody else, but I'd personally support a separate
license classification for offroad capable vehicles. It would certainly
remove a lot of the muppets who get us bad names from the hills.

Come to think of it, howsabout a separate classification for any car over
1900cc Only achievable once you have held a clean licens for 3 years and
are over 21. Yet again, would stop a lot of the dickheads I see around who
get their licenses and go and get a 15 year old 520 BMW and drop the
suspension, paint it electric pink and go around deafening people.

And a requirement for a council issued public events license for any car
audio system rated to deliver more than 75W of bass.


P.

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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:31:16 +0100, Tim Hobbs
<[email protected]> wrote:

>If we carry on long enough, we will all be legally required to ramble,

Many of us do, often, on usenet...

>cuddle foxes

I'm about to go cuddle a really foxy babe, as it happens...

>and grow beards to fit in with the norm.

OI! Who're you callin' NORMAL???


>On the plus
>side, we will then only have people with stupid voices and big teeth
>to victimise, and the Janet Street-Snorter will have to be culled with
>hounds.

What a nice comforting thought to go happily to bed with (when HHGTTG
is finsihed, obviously...)


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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:57:13 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
wrote:

>On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:40:11 GMT, Alex <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>>Unlike you to confuse fashion with style...
>>
>>I didn't know you had either....
>
>Spoken like a true, bitter, ex-101 owner...

Ooooooh, that's looooowwww.

Alex

And so is a Scammel explorer, drive right over the top of your saracen any
day


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"Paul S. Brown" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Tim Hobbs wrote:
>
>
> Ban 4x4s and I'm going to go and give my trade to Alvis or GKN. After all,
a
> Saracen is 6x6, not 4x4.
>
> P.
> --
> The email address above is real.
>
> http://www.geekstuff.tv/Landies/

On or around Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:07:08 +0100, "Paul S. Brown"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>And a requirement for a council issued public events license for any car
>audio system rated to deliver more than 75W of bass.

now *that* I like.


as to the rest, well, a 2-stage licence as per bikes would be a nice idea.
But I can't see it happening.

In article <[email protected]>, Hirsty's
<[email protected]> writes
>I am sick of being the butt of any politicians "in" moan to gain votes. The
>latest will be that we are "taxed off the road" if a certain party gets in
>!!
>I wonder if their perks ( for the jerks) of large ministerial auto's and
>jets will be going down the same road ??
>I can understand the arguement for the school run, but surely this should
>apply to all cars not just 4x4's, what the hell have we done ?
>
>--
>
>
>" ..... it is the provenence of knowledge to speak, and it is the privelage
>of wisdom to listen"
>
>

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On or around Fri, 24 Sep 2004 06:51:00 +0000 (UTC), Frank Erskine
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>
>

Harry? is that you?

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:44:33 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Harry? is that you?

Careful, I could do without overt shocks to the system on a Friday
morning Austin...

On or around Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:43:28 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother}
@"@101fc.net> enlightened us thusly:

>On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:44:33 +0100, Austin Shackles
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Harry? is that you?
>
>Careful, I could do without overt shocks to the system on a Friday
>morning Austin...

sorry, shed joke. There used to be blank messages from "Harry Marsh", we
never found out who he was, now any time someone posts a blank message...

speaking of 'tother "Harry", you heard anything more? 's all gone very
quiet here, bar from a letter a bit back from solicitors who apparently were
representing him, requesting information I didn't have.

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:59:23 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>sorry, shed joke. There used to be blank messages from "Harry Marsh", we
>never found out who he was, now any time someone posts a blank message...

Ah, 't reminds me, I've several thousand unread posting a la sheddi to
mark as read ;-)

>speaking of 'tother "Harry", you heard anything more?

Currently being paid for by the rest of us to have a nice secure
holiday. Long may it continue - at least summat positive is comin'
from mi taxes at last...


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my beloved 101 "Grumble", at: http://www.101fc.net


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On or around Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:29:36 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother}
@"@101fc.net> enlightened us thusly:

>On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:59:23 +0100, Austin Shackles
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>sorry, shed joke. There used to be blank messages from "Harry Marsh", we
>>never found out who he was, now any time someone posts a blank message...
>
>Ah, 't reminds me, I've several thousand unread posting a la sheddi to
>mark as read ;-)
>
>>speaking of 'tother "Harry", you heard anything more?
>
>Currently being paid for by the rest of us to have a nice secure
>holiday. Long may it continue - at least summat positive is comin'
>from mi taxes at last...

last I heard was that he was awaiting trial, wondered if there was any
further news, that's all. I was aware of his secure holidaying. Not seen
anything in the local rag, but then again, you can't actually rely on the
local rag to print what you want to read...