V8's n stuff

On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:50:50 +0000 (UTC), Simon Isaacs <[email protected]>
wrote:

>just got back, made it 2 miles this time before she started playing
>up. Blows my theory out as I was beginning to suspect an ignition
>fault given that it would run for while and then start to play up, I
>have seen condensors that will show this fault once the engine has
>been run and the condensor is warm, but will run fine once cool, until
>dying again.
>
>Going to have the carb completely apart now, and if that doesn't work
>I'm going to threaten it with a 4.0 Perkins Phaser....

Had a Triumph Herald which exhibited similar symptoms for a while,
would start and run ok for a few miles, then would start to splutter
and die. Leave for a while, it would then start and run fine again for
a few miles.

Turned out to be a restriction in the fuel line, not allowing enough
juice through at full throttle, but would let fuel trickle through
with engine off to fill up fuel lines etc.

Just food for thought.

David

On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:56:20 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
scribbled the following nonsense:

>On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:50:50 +0000 (UTC), Simon Isaacs <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>Going to have the carb completely apart now, and if that doesn't work
>>I'm going to threaten it with a 4.0 Perkins Phaser....
>
>Shall I bring a chainsaw to Peterborough?

finally got the left hand carb off, which seemed to be the one causing
most problems. Stripped all apart and checked it over, no problems
found, float appeared to be set at around 18mm (16-17mm), which means
that it could cut off the fuel with a level inthe chamber that was
insufficient to run the vehicle satisfactorily.

Now off to go for a spin again!
--

Simon Isaacs

Peterborough 4x4 Club Newsletter Editor and Webmaster
Green Lane Association (GLASS) Commercial Officer
101 Ambi, undsergoing camper conversion
Part owner of 1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an offer!
Suzuki SJ410 (Wife's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT
Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next
1993 200 TDi Discovery
1994 200 TDi Discovery body sheel, being bobbed and modded.....
1979 Range Ruster body shell and chassis

On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:55:26 GMT, rads
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Turned out to be a restriction in the fuel line, not allowing enough
>juice through at full throttle, but would let fuel trickle through
>with engine off to fill up fuel lines etc.

Not the case here - plenty fuel ended up over the engine when testing
- and all over Simon at one point...

On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 11:00:42 +0000 (UTC), Simon Isaacs <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Now off to go for a spin again!

Arthritic fingers well crossed...

On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 12:17:29 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
scribbled the following nonsense:

>On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 11:00:42 +0000 (UTC), Simon Isaacs <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>Now off to go for a spin again!
>
>Arthritic fingers well crossed...

please bring chainsaw.........

just got back, took it for a spin with the carb elbows off.... really
noisy. Left hand carb is definitely poor. It farts, pops, and
backfires. Running with the carb elbows off enabled me to see this!!
Right hand carb seems fine....

Going to now see if they are unblanced (probably are) and if anything
can be done!!!
--

Simon Isaacs

Peterborough 4x4 Club Newsletter Editor and Webmaster
Green Lane Association (GLASS) Commercial Officer
101 Ambi, undsergoing camper conversion
Part owner of 1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an offer!
Suzuki SJ410 (Wife's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT
Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next
1993 200 TDi Discovery
1994 200 TDi Discovery body sheel, being bobbed and modded.....
1979 Range Ruster body shell and chassis

On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 12:17:09 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
wrote:

>On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:55:26 GMT, rads
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Turned out to be a restriction in the fuel line, not allowing enough
>>juice through at full throttle, but would let fuel trickle through
>>with engine off to fill up fuel lines etc.
>
>Not the case here - plenty fuel ended up over the engine when testing
>- and all over Simon at one point...

Fuel lines were blown through (in both directions) previously. Carbs
were also considered by Warren but declared OK.

It went to Sheffield and back in June without incident. Prior to that
it got me to Peterborough and back after without hiccup (2003 LRO
Show). I wonder if the previous fix in rebuilding the engine hasn't
lasted. The symptoms sound identical. If it is the same fault -
here's the test....

When it's dying, will it idle? If so, does a firm boot on the
throttle stall it? If so, I'd bet my pension it's the same fault.
Warren's theory (never proved) was inlet manifold leak.


--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'03 Volvo V70

On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 11:46:15 +0000 (UTC), Simon Isaacs <[email protected]>
scribbled the following nonsense:

>On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 12:17:29 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
>scribbled the following nonsense:
>
>>On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 11:00:42 +0000 (UTC), Simon Isaacs <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Now off to go for a spin again!
>>
>>Arthritic fingers well crossed...
>
>please bring chainsaw.........
>
>just got back, took it for a spin with the carb elbows off.... really
>noisy. Left hand carb is definitely poor. It farts, pops, and
>backfires. Running with the carb elbows off enabled me to see this!!
>Right hand carb seems fine....
>
>Going to now see if they are unblanced (probably are) and if anything
>can be done!!!

Adjusted the height of the needle valve, replaced the new inline
filter with another new one, touching wood, going to run it to LR Fest
tonight, so we'll see!

Now taken it for a 10 mile test run, no probs, touch wood.
--

Simon Isaacs

Peterborough 4x4 Club Newsletter Editor and Webmaster
Green Lane Association (GLASS) Commercial Officer
101 Ambi, undsergoing camper conversion
Part owner of 1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an offer!
Suzuki SJ410 (Wife's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT
Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next
1993 200 TDi Discovery
1994 200 TDi Discovery body sheel, being bobbed and modded.....
1979 Range Ruster body shell and chassis

Tim Hobbs wrote:

> When it's dying, will it idle? If so, does a firm boot on the
> throttle stall it? If so, I'd bet my pension it's the same fault.
> Warren's theory (never proved) was inlet manifold leak.

That's what I like about 101 owners, even ex-ones - they can never
really let them go !

Steve

>>I hate bloody petrols...
>
>
> You'll soon be an expert...

Judging by previous comments, I'm not sure you ever become one of those.

>
>>It seems its already got SUs on,
>
>
> Well, maybe not 'soon', but 'sometime'...
>

Don's flame suit.... One carb looks the same as another to me! Now injection
pumps....

>
> BTW,
>
> Tell Emma Sillybigtent will be at Peterborough...
>
> Simon will need help putting the 'kin thing up


Done. Glad its going, might need the shelter if the weather is to be
believed. See you there.

Graham

On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 15:08:07 +0100, Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> scribbled
the following nonsense:

>On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 12:17:09 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:55:26 GMT, rads
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Turned out to be a restriction in the fuel line, not allowing enough
>>>juice through at full throttle, but would let fuel trickle through
>>>with engine off to fill up fuel lines etc.
>>
>>Not the case here - plenty fuel ended up over the engine when testing
>>- and all over Simon at one point...
>
>Fuel lines were blown through (in both directions) previously. Carbs
>were also considered by Warren but declared OK.
>
>It went to Sheffield and back in June without incident. Prior to that
>it got me to Peterborough and back after without hiccup (2003 LRO
>Show). I wonder if the previous fix in rebuilding the engine hasn't
>lasted. The symptoms sound identical. If it is the same fault -
>here's the test....
>
>When it's dying, will it idle? If so, does a firm boot on the
>throttle stall it? If so, I'd bet my pension it's the same fault.
>Warren's theory (never proved) was inlet manifold leak.

the needle valve adjustment seems to have solved (touch wood) the
problem so far.

She has had 30 miles of running, with none of it rough, she idles a
treat, and picks up better and accelerates faster than my old hybrid.

She now idles, and then booting it......revs her to the point where
the ears hurt, and then on the way back down, there is no popping,
farting banging or clattering......

Having met Warren, I will be be *more* than surprised that a poorly
adjusted needle vale was the fault......
--

Simon Isaacs

Peterborough 4x4 Club Newsletter Editor and Webmaster
Green Lane Association (GLASS) Commercial Officer
101 Ambi, undsergoing camper conversion
Part owner of 1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an offer!
Suzuki SJ410 (Wife's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT
Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next
1993 200 TDi Discovery
1994 200 TDi Discovery body sheel, being bobbed and modded.....
1979 Range Ruster body shell and chassis

>
>the needle valve adjustment seems to have solved (touch wood) the
>problem so far.
>
>She has had 30 miles of running, with none of it rough, she idles a
>treat, and picks up better and accelerates faster than my old hybrid.
>
>She now idles, and then booting it......revs her to the point where
>the ears hurt, and then on the way back down, there is no popping,
>farting banging or clattering......
>
>Having met Warren, I will be be *more* than surprised that a poorly
>adjusted needle vale was the fault......

I wouldn't have sold _him_ to you if I'd known you were going to give
him a sex change...


--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'03 Volvo V70

On or around Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:05:07 +0000 (UTC), Simon Isaacs
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>The really curious thing is it performed excellently during the test
>drive, approx 3 miles. Drove 7 miles down the M1 to Martyn's, cuts
>out. Yesterday blasted the dodgy carb through, no blockage. Engine
>ran sweet as a nut. Set off from Martyn's, got 7 miles down the road,
>starts cutting out. Switch off for 5 minutes, runs for 1-2 miles,
>then back to cutting out..... Dsiconnetc the throttle linkage, both
>carbs revving the the engine....

sounds like the old chestnut of a blocked tank breather.
--
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On or around Thu, 08 Sep 2005 23:59:11 +0100, Tim Hobbs <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>>
>>the needle valve adjustment seems to have solved (touch wood) the
>>problem so far.
>>
>>She has had 30 miles of running, with none of it rough, she idles a
>>treat, and picks up better and accelerates faster than my old hybrid.
>>
>>She now idles, and then booting it......revs her to the point where
>>the ears hurt, and then on the way back down, there is no popping,
>>farting banging or clattering......
>>
>>Having met Warren, I will be be *more* than surprised that a poorly
>>adjusted needle vale was the fault......
>
>I wouldn't have sold _him_ to you if I'd known you were going to give
>him a sex change...

although, to be fair, the vehicle exhibits far more female symptoms <D&RFC>
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms...
------------------------------------------------\
>> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them.
a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too!

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 07:28:15 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> scribbled the following nonsense:

>On or around Thu, 08 Sep 2005 23:59:11 +0100, Tim Hobbs <[email protected]>
>enlightened us thusly:
>
>>>
>>>the needle valve adjustment seems to have solved (touch wood) the
>>>problem so far.
>>>
>>>She has had 30 miles of running, with none of it rough, she idles a
>>>treat, and picks up better and accelerates faster than my old hybrid.
>>>
>>>She now idles, and then booting it......revs her to the point where
>>>the ears hurt, and then on the way back down, there is no popping,
>>>farting banging or clattering......
>>>
>>>Having met Warren, I will be be *more* than surprised that a poorly
>>>adjusted needle vale was the fault......
>>
>>I wouldn't have sold _him_ to you if I'd known you were going to give
>>him a sex change...
>
>although, to be fair, the vehicle exhibits far more female symptoms <D&RFC>

exactly, hence the "she"

Got to the showground, Martyn jumped in, took it for a spin, came back
praising the pickup, the quietness, the brakes (of all things on a
101) The way he was heaping praise on the truck, I thought he was
going to offer to swap for Grumble ;-)
--

Simon Isaacs

Peterborough 4x4 Club Newsletter Editor and Webmaster
Green Lane Association (GLASS) Commercial Officer
101 Ambi, undsergoing camper conversion
Part owner of 1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an offer!
Suzuki SJ410 (Wife's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT
Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next
1993 200 TDi Discovery
1994 200 TDi Discovery body sheel, being bobbed and modded.....
1979 Range Ruster body shell and chassis

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 07:25:45 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On or around Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:05:07 +0000 (UTC), Simon Isaacs
><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>The really curious thing is it performed excellently during the test
>>drive, approx 3 miles. Drove 7 miles down the M1 to Martyn's, cuts
>>out. Yesterday blasted the dodgy carb through, no blockage. Engine
>>ran sweet as a nut. Set off from Martyn's, got 7 miles down the road,
>>starts cutting out. Switch off for 5 minutes, runs for 1-2 miles,
>>then back to cutting out..... Dsiconnetc the throttle linkage, both
>>carbs revving the the engine....
>
>sounds like the old chestnut of a blocked tank breather.

very definitely not....


--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'03 Volvo V70

On or around Fri, 09 Sep 2005 09:57:52 +0100, Tim Hobbs <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 07:25:45 +0100, Austin Shackles
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On or around Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:05:07 +0000 (UTC), Simon Isaacs
>><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>>The really curious thing is it performed excellently during the test
>>>drive, approx 3 miles. Drove 7 miles down the M1 to Martyn's, cuts
>>>out. Yesterday blasted the dodgy carb through, no blockage. Engine
>>>ran sweet as a nut. Set off from Martyn's, got 7 miles down the road,
>>>starts cutting out. Switch off for 5 minutes, runs for 1-2 miles,
>>>then back to cutting out..... Dsiconnetc the throttle linkage, both
>>>carbs revving the the engine....
>>
>>sounds like the old chestnut of a blocked tank breather.
>
>very definitely not....

that's why I said "sounds like". I didn't think it was likely, after all
the work put into it.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Festina Lente" (Hasten slowly) Suetonius (c.70-c.140) Augustus, 25

On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 21:50:48 +0100, "Graham G" <[email protected]> wrote:

>> Tell Emma Sillybigtent will be at Peterborough...
>>
>> Simon will need help putting the 'kin thing up
>
>
>Done. Glad its going, might need the shelter if the weather is to be
>believed.

and how...