V8's n stuff

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:36:58 +0100, steve Taylor
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> Dear Santa..............
>....I have a great idea for pulling your sleigh if your reindeer are
>poorly but I need.....

Kevin Bloody Wilson is touring the UK at present, you know...

Right then, deep breath....

Have fitted new points, condensor and plugs. Old plugs looked good, one carb
is potentially running lean, but other looks about right as lovely biscuit
colour.

Have checked lubrication in carbs and its fine.

Its better than it was, i.e. it runs ok ish, but still rough as buggery at
high revs. Next on the list I think is new dizzy cap (some of the contacts
did't shine up as well as i might have liked) and new leads. That should
eliminate the ignition side of it. Then at the weekend its all the filters.
Failing all that its a journey to my local garage.

Whilst I was picking up parts, quizzed the chap behind the counter (town and
country landrovers). In his opinion an electronic ignition conversion was a
waste of time. He said get hold of a dizzy from a later v8 with elec ign and
wire it in. Sounds reasonable enough, and I have got one on the shelf, what
do you think?

Graham

Graham G wrote:
He said get hold of a dizzy from a later v8 with elec ign and
> wire it in. Sounds reasonable enough, and I have got one on the shelf, what
> do you think?

If its on the shelf, and you know how to fit it, what have you got to lose ?

Steve

> I reckon get the radbod painted then wait until you have the GS
> running well enough to forget about it while you focus on the radbod.

Its a case of trying to regain focus I think. Whats really annoying is that
both are suffering the exact same problems. The GS is the better of the two
ATM, although she could do with a fair bit of tlc... new rear crossmember,
waxoil, fit gas kit thats on the shelf, finish interior, re-paint exterior
etc etc etc

> Although a bit tricky, there's nothing too challenging with a V8 101 -
> like any other 30 odd year old vehicle, it needs a good going over
> every now and then, but once you have it sorted, it'll carry on for
> another 30 odd years with minimal major attention.

I just wish I hadn't landed myself with two that are both in need of a good
going over. Still wouldn't want to get bored, or heavens forbid, save money
) Trouble is I'm an impatient person and a perfectionist. A bad
combination, needs to be concours last week )

Graham

> If its on the shelf, and you know how to fit it, what have you got to lose
> ?

Its on the shelf, have a fair idea of fitting but not exact, but I know a
mant that does. Might see if I can get the GS going on oints and save the
elec ign for the rad bod seeing as its on gas.

As for what i've got to loose... remainder of sanity?? )

Graham

"Graham G" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I just wish I hadn't landed myself with two that are both in need of a
> good going over. Still wouldn't want to get bored, or heavens forbid, save
> money ) Trouble is I'm an impatient person and a perfectionist. A bad
> combination, needs to be concours last week )

Have you tried running in the dark with the lid off yet? I bet it looks like
a sci-fi effect from Stargate :0)

Lee D

"Lee_D" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Graham G" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> I just wish I hadn't landed myself with two that are both in need of a
>> good going over. Still wouldn't want to get bored, or heavens forbid,
>> save money ) Trouble is I'm an impatient person and a perfectionist. A
>> bad combination, needs to be concours last week )
>
> Have you tried running in the dark with the lid off yet? I bet it looks
> like a sci-fi effect from Stargate :0)

Done that, not a bit of it. Still its has new cap and magnecor plugs today!
Still runs bloody awful. Taking it to town and country landrover tomorrow,
they can figure it out, I'm lost.

Graham

On or around Sun, 4 Sep 2005 22:57:52 +0100, "Graham G" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>
>"Lee_D" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> "Graham G" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> I just wish I hadn't landed myself with two that are both in need of a
>>> good going over. Still wouldn't want to get bored, or heavens forbid,
>>> save money ) Trouble is I'm an impatient person and a perfectionist. A
>>> bad combination, needs to be concours last week )
>>
>> Have you tried running in the dark with the lid off yet? I bet it looks
>> like a sci-fi effect from Stargate :0)
>
>Done that, not a bit of it. Still its has new cap and magnecor plugs today!
>Still runs bloody awful. Taking it to town and country landrover tomorrow,
>they can figure it out, I'm lost.

one carb playing silly buggers is my bet, in the absence of electrical
problems.
--
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Blue: The sky is blue for a reason. Blue light is a source of strength
and harmony in the cosmos. Create a blue light in your life by
telephoning the police
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 09:11:45 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>one carb playing silly buggers is my bet,

I reckon you're cock-on with that bet. Especially having had pretty
much the same problem yesterday with Siman and Dawns new toy (still
sat outside).

I personally hate the Strombergs and would always suggest replacing
them with SUs.

"Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 09:11:45 +0100, Austin Shackles
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>one carb playing silly buggers is my bet,
>
> I reckon you're cock-on with that bet. Especially having had pretty
> much the same problem yesterday with Siman and Dawns new toy (still
> sat outside).
>
> I personally hate the Strombergs and would always suggest replacing
> them with SUs.

Or go the whole way and fit EFI.......
(ducks and runs away, quickly!)
Badger.

On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 08:19:13 +0000 (UTC), "Badger"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> I personally hate the Strombergs and would always suggest replacing
>> them with SUs.
>
>Or go the whole way and fit EFI.......
>(ducks and runs away, quickly!)

This is now my plan for Grumble, however on a standard 101 the two
issues are rebuilding the engine cover and re-making the gearchange
linkage. As I not longer have to worry about the latter, it makes the
job easier and more feasible.

"Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 08:19:13 +0000 (UTC), "Badger"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> I personally hate the Strombergs and would always suggest replacing
>>> them with SUs.
>>
>>Or go the whole way and fit EFI.......
>>(ducks and runs away, quickly!)
>
> This is now my plan for Grumble, however on a standard 101 the two
> issues are rebuilding the engine cover and re-making the gearchange
> linkage. As I not longer have to worry about the latter, it makes the
> job easier and more feasible.

Surely the inlet plenum doesn't stick up that much further than the carbs,
to foul the engine cover? I thought the 101 had a fair clearance between the
carbs and cover? If it's marginal, you could always fit shorter inlet
trumpets and machine the plenum down a little on its mounting face before
clearance to the nearside rocker cover gets critical. Or consider the "thor"
inlet manifold, with std injectors and ecu?
Badger.

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 09:11:45 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>one carb playing silly buggers is my bet,

This is now proven. To test the theory, pull away the clip on linkage
between the carbs, the one on the passenger side (RHD) lifeless, the
other, actuated by hand, revs the nuts off... Float chamber, hammer?

"Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 09:11:45 +0100, Austin Shackles
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>one carb playing silly buggers is my bet,
>
> This is now proven. To test the theory, pull away the clip on linkage
> between the carbs, the one on the passenger side (RHD) lifeless, the
> other, actuated by hand, revs the nuts off... Float chamber, hammer?

This is my conclusion, esp as you could see 4 plugs that were definately
lighter than the others, but I thought lets get the elecs out the way first.
T & C LR said much the same about stromborgs, there guess was a damaged
diaphram, a common problem apparently. Well I'd got a set of Sus on the
shelf so I'm handing them and truck to T & C and hope the result will be a
running truck!

Graham

On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 09:07:28 +0000 (UTC), "Badger"
<[email protected]> scribbled the following nonsense:

>
>"Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 08:19:13 +0000 (UTC), "Badger"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>> I personally hate the Strombergs and would always suggest replacing
>>>> them with SUs.
>>>
>>>Or go the whole way and fit EFI.......
>>>(ducks and runs away, quickly!)
>>
>> This is now my plan for Grumble, however on a standard 101 the two
>> issues are rebuilding the engine cover and re-making the gearchange
>> linkage. As I not longer have to worry about the latter, it makes the
>> job easier and more feasible.
>
>Surely the inlet plenum doesn't stick up that much further than the carbs,
>to foul the engine cover? I thought the 101 had a fair clearance between the
>carbs and cover? If it's marginal, you could always fit shorter inlet
>trumpets and machine the plenum down a little on its mounting face before
>clearance to the nearside rocker cover gets critical. Or consider the "thor"
>inlet manifold, with std injectors and ecu?
>Badger.
>

the gear linkage lever doesn't clear the tops of the carbs by much.

Have just got off the phone from Martyn, and have now had iot
confirmed that my passenger side carb is dead.

Quick way to test if it is a dead carb, pull of HT lead 4 with the
engine running and see if the engine drops, replace it, pull of HT3,
note any change in engine note, replace and then try HT6, 4 and 6 are
served by the same carb, 3 is the other side.

To confirm, disconnect the linkage and rev each carb seperately, the
dead carb will not rev the engine, but the working one will.....
--

Simon Isaacs

Peterborough 4x4 Club Newsletter Editor and Webmaster
Green Lane Association (GLASS) Commercial Officer
101 Ambi, undsergoing camper conversion
Part owner of 1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an offer!
Suzuki SJ410 (Wife's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT
Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next
1993 200 TDi Discovery
1994 200 TDi Discovery body sheel, being bobbed and modded.....
1979 Range Ruster body shell and chassis

On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 18:43:35 +0100, "Graham G" <[email protected]> wrote:

>This is my conclusion, esp as you could see 4 plugs that were definately
>lighter than the others, but I thought lets get the elecs out the way first.
>T & C LR said much the same about stromborgs, there guess was a damaged
>diaphram, a common problem apparently. Well I'd got a set of Sus on the
>shelf so I'm handing them and truck to T & C and hope the result will be a
>running truck!

Checking the rubber diaphram is easy - simply remove the 4 screws
holding the top of the carb and remove the entire top case. The
piston is attached to the diaphram, remove it and inspect for a split.
Simons are both fine, but you may like to ask T & C if they have
another pair of HIF44s on the shelf - ideally on a V8 manifold! ;-)

>
>Have just got off the phone from Martyn, and have now had iot
>confirmed that my passenger side carb is dead.
>

wassup with it?
--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'03 Volvo V70

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 20:09:26 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
wrote:

>On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 18:43:35 +0100, "Graham G" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>This is my conclusion, esp as you could see 4 plugs that were definately
>>lighter than the others, but I thought lets get the elecs out the way first.
>>T & C LR said much the same about stromborgs, there guess was a damaged
>>diaphram, a common problem apparently. Well I'd got a set of Sus on the
>>shelf so I'm handing them and truck to T & C and hope the result will be a
>>running truck!
>
>Checking the rubber diaphram is easy - simply remove the 4 screws
>holding the top of the carb and remove the entire top case. The
>piston is attached to the diaphram, remove it and inspect for a split.
>Simons are both fine, but you may like to ask T & C if they have
>another pair of HIF44s on the shelf - ideally on a V8 manifold! ;-)

Yep, he's got a receipt somewhere for them being sorted I think. Is
it just the float chamber gunked up?


--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'03 Volvo V70

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 20:53:07 +0100, Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote:

>>Have just got off the phone from Martyn, and have now had iot
>>confirmed that my passenger side carb is dead.
>
>wassup with it?

It's dead (doesn't make the engine rev)

My guess is float chamber. We took the top off and it's fine - so
three stage plan:

Hit it with a hammer*
Short blasts of air into the fuel inlet
Carb cleaner

Failing that, remove all the linkages then remove the carb and clean.

Tis common for a vehicle that hasn't been used a great deal - and a
good 'learner' for the new owner ;-)


* honestly - purcussive maintenance works well on a 101

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 20:54:35 +0100, Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote:

>Is it just the float chamber gunked up?

Answered elsewhere, but yes, I reckon so.
Not serious and sort of to be expected.

The neighbours have a very worried look on their faces at present.
I'm thinking of it as a softener for when the Vampire arrives...