v8 - argument winning reasons wanted

(whistle nonchanlently) I don't know what you are suggesting

i'm gona be putting your nipper through school at this rate...although at a very cheap rate from you

ok

The noise, can't beat it.
X5's cant keep up (embarrasing, eh?)
Power. You won't be stuck at 55mph like most dependers, series, etc.
No real rust issues like discos, etc. (ask anybody in a disco, especially MadHatMan )
If you want to take them off road, they really arent that bad. Just make sure you have a good set of off road tyres. Mine did pretty well on road tyres when i went out with 2 defenders and a series... Only problem I had was clearance, but that was the road tyres. They should do water quite well as all the electrics are at the top. Stick to wading and you'll be fine, just dont dip it totally under water.

ratty said:

FFS everyone knows thats an urban Myth. They can go NEAR water but not IN water. There's nothing to say they can't stop at the edge of the puddle and wait for it to dry out.

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That's not true!!!! V8's can swim I know they can.

Just get a V8 and be done with it. You can't beat the noise. The V8 is smooth and cruises well, they do swim, they are better for horsepower. You can buy V8's cheaper than a diesel so use the money you save to buy petrol.

On the downside though would have to agree can be a bit thirsty but on a long motorway run you'll see 22 - 24mpg depending on how you drive and what tyres you have.

Hi, just got rid of tdi and got a v8 on lpg, its costing about the same to run and goes like f**k !

keep 'em coming - I used to have a v8 and I'm not doing a very good job of convincing myself that a tdi is the way to go - so I'm really considering the other track and trying to persuade she who must be obeyed that a v8 makes sense - except I can't keep a straight face when I'm saying it

classic kev said:

That's not true!!!! V8's can swim I know they can.

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Eastern ones might be able to swim but suvvern ones can't

ratty said:

Eastern ones might be able to swim but suvvern ones can't

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Guess you just got summat funny in the water then

classic kev said:

Just get a V8 and be done with it. You can't beat the noise. The V8 is smooth and cruises well, they do swim, they are better for horsepower. You can buy V8's cheaper than a diesel so use the money you save to buy petrol.

On the downside though would have to agree can be a bit thirsty but on a long motorway run you'll see 22 - 24mpg depending on how you drive and what tyres you have.

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Good point I'd forgotten about that after a year of ownership. Just saving for my gas conversion now.

V8 on gas is as cheap on fuel as a deseisil.
Disco's weight two tons.... that's about three times as much as your average family estate car, they NEED a big engine to make them move..... desiesils just dont do that.
On gas, cleaner than a smelly oil burner.
TDi.... great engine...... for a TRACTOR!
Followed one yesterday... every time we came to a hill, I couldn't see where I was going, cos of the cloud of thick black smoke!
Eventually swapped cars so he could see how bad it was......
No.... No.... NO!
Had to use a crow bar to get my keys back!
After suffering an engine that 'supposedly' has SOooooooooo much "low dow torque"....
Where, exactly? Reckon it's all talk not torque! Darn thing couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding; thought I might have to use low box to do a hill start!
"similar power curves".... who conjoured THAT fantacy!
V8 has more torque at tick-over than a TDi has at peak... and the power trace is a nice round hump with loads of grunt stuffed every-bleddy where. 3.5, around 160bhp, 3.9, 180bhp. that's 50%+ more than any TDi, and over half of it'savailable right across the rev-range
TDi? Nothing at tickover, ruddy great ski-sliope up to 2K as the blower starts working...... then its all over.......
As for water?
Saw a TDi hydrauliced yesterday...... I thought these things were supposed to be 'imperviouse' to water? Obviousely NOT, it would seem!
Oh... and you can hear yourself think in a V8 without the desiesil tappet rattle or the din of two thousand dwarves mining tin in the bowles of the engine bay as you thrash the nuts of the thing to make it move, and waite for it to start burning its own sump oil through the blower..... rather more expensively than when a V8's cams go a bit 'flat'!
V8 works, which is why its still THE engine of choice for comping...... dont see many TDi powered trials buggies or ectreme challenge trucks, do you?

Straight face argument to the missus?
With Gordon Blimey at the helm, EVERY damn thing is going to be expensive to run.... may as well get something useful for our money! V8's go, TDi's dont, and when they go wrong, you CAN fix them.... TDi just chuck it away, 'cos the price of a new head, new injectors and a new turbo is more than another engine! V8, you can normally get away with just a new head-gasket or two at a tenner a piece, or a new cam and tappets at about £150.... a complete engine rebuild on one is LESS than replacing the turbo and head on a TDi........ So, it's decided, V8 it is..... now lets talk about this new kitchen/concervatory/washing machine/hand-bag (delete as appropriate) you wanted.....

Probably cost you a new kitchen......... but hey, its worth it!

everything Teflon said...

plus they are sooo much easier to work on cos everything makes sense and touching the fuel doesn't give you cancer (probably)

mjltigger said:

everything Teflon said...

plus they are sooo much easier to work on cos everything makes sense and touching the fuel doesn't give you cancer (probably)

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Denzels don't need a spark though do they?

ratty said:

Denzels don't need a spark though do they?

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No, they just squash whatevwers in the pot and HOPE it gets hot enough to go 'bang' at.... well, anything near the top of the bore will do....... maybe bung a copper button in there to hold some heat, that'll help....... toll it errodes or falls out.....

Denzels make too much noise
Denzels is slower than my mrs opening her legs (and thats slow....)
No smoke (unless you got head problems)


and yeah....teflons list

denzels can go through water and still have all there cylinders firing afterwards. V8's only have the extra cylinders cos after a bath they tend to only run on half of em.

ratty said:

denzels can go through water and still have all there cylinders firing afterwards. V8's only have the extra cylinders cos after a bath they tend to only run on half of em.

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Woman leaned towards man at bar "Sir, I do believe you are Drunk! Drunk, and a Disgrace!"
Man sips his scotch, and replies "And you, My dear, are ugly! I may be drunk, but in the morning, I shall be sober......."

V8 on half duty still got more grunt than a desiesil, and like the drunk, it can be dried out......

Why would anyone want a petrol off-roader ?

Teflon, love your reasoning but at the end of the day I think it might just come down to the one thing that is missing up here - gas pumps. Nearest to me is about 18 miles round trip away and as we tend to head North whenever we have free time even normal garages can be few and far between - and not always open 7 days a week either.

there are far more gas places about than people realise.. most of them are not in petrol stations..

lpg is far far greener than dirty oil burners and so costs you less.. although you use more of it so it works out about the same cost per mile.. and it's possible to go up to about 150 litres on these which should give you a range of at least 300 miles even on an old single point stepper system... much more on a modern multipoint system