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What a ****er! - I'm glad he lost and got the £80,000 costs against him.
I hope the judge went further and made the silly bugger go and enrol in a
4x4 course so he knows what he's doing.
Trying to drive cross-axled with open diffs?... geez. He would have been
better off spending some of his money on a diff lock and he'd be right.
If I get that bad will someone please take me round behind the shed and
shoot me!

-Craig.

"Derek" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This guy tried it on in court obviously didn't read the manual before he
> made an arse of it
> .http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/avdb/local_tv/video/9012da680048ce8/bb/09012da680048ebe_16x9_bb.asx
> and yes he did lose the case reason- lack of (his) offroad driving
> ability.
> Derek
> when you realise you are in a hole its time to either stop digging or open
> a mine
>
>


 
On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 22:17:59 GMT, "Derek"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>This guy tried it on in court obviously didn't read the manual before he
>made an arse of it
>.http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/avdb/local_tv/video/9012da680048ce8/bb/09012da680048ebe_16x9_bb.asx
> and yes he did lose the case reason- lack of (his) offroad driving ability.
>Derek
>when you realise you are in a hole its time to either stop digging or open a
>mine
>

Looking forward to seeing his house go cheap on ebay...
--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'03 Volvo V70
'06 Nissan Navara aka "The Truck"
 
On or around Thu, 06 Jul 2006 22:17:59 GMT, "Derek"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>This guy tried it on in court obviously didn't read the manual before he
>made an arse of it
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/avdb/local_tv/video/9012da680048ce8/bb/09012da680048ebe_16x9_bb.asx
> and yes he did lose the case reason- lack of (his) offroad driving ability.
>Derek

serves the silly sod right. You can get anything stuck if you try.

Brother in law has a standard 3.9SE rangie, auto box, which admittedly has a
viscous middle diff, runs on Pirelli ST tyres and drives all over his farm,
which has slippery clay and steep slopes, and has yet to get it stuck in
such a way as to have to tow it out.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"You praise the firm restraint with which they write -_
I'm with you there, of course: They use the snaffle and the bit
alright, but where's the bloody horse? - Roy Campbell (1902-1957)
 
Tim Hobbs came up with the following;:
> On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 22:17:59 GMT, "Derek"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> This guy tried it on in court obviously didn't read the manual before he
>> made an arse of it
>> .http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/avdb/local_tv/video/9012da680048ce8/bb/09012da680048ebe_16x9_bb.asx
>> and yes he did lose the case reason- lack of (his) offroad driving
>> ability. Derek
>> when you realise you are in a hole its time to either stop digging or
>> open a mine
>>
>
> Looking forward to seeing his house go cheap on ebay...

Yeah, the closing line was a corker ... ;)

But would you buy _anything_ from such a tosser?

--
Paul ...
(8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!!



 
On 2006-07-06, Derek <[email protected]> wrote:

> This guy tried it on in court obviously didn't read the manual
> before he made an arse of it

I've mentioned things like cross-axle diff locks to inexperienced 4x4
drivers, some of whom have then said to me that their 4x4 doesn't need
one as it drives all four wheels at once. When I've asked what it is,
it's invariably an unmodified standard vehicle on road tyres, so it's
a very common misconception.

Besides I thought the freeloader applied the brakes to the spinning
wheels, or is that only higher models?

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
 
> I've mentioned things like cross-axle diff locks to inexperienced 4x4
> drivers, some of whom have then said to me that their 4x4 doesn't need
> one as it drives all four wheels at once. When I've asked what it is,
> it's invariably an unmodified standard vehicle on road tyres, so it's
> a very common misconception.
>
> Besides I thought the freeloader applied the brakes to the spinning
> wheels, or is that only higher models?

I thought that was the case too - traction control on all four wheels
on the Freelander?? Not that I'm defending him - what a plonker!
Risking your house over something like that??? If he wanted to drive
up mountains why didn't he buy a Defender? Although like others
have pointed out, you can get the best 4x4 stuck with no skill
necessary.

Matt

 
Matthew Maddock wrote:
>> I've mentioned things like cross-axle diff locks to inexperienced 4x4
>> drivers, some of whom have then said to me that their 4x4 doesn't need
>> one as it drives all four wheels at once. When I've asked what it is,
>> it's invariably an unmodified standard vehicle on road tyres, so it's
>> a very common misconception.
>>
>> Besides I thought the freeloader applied the brakes to the spinning
>> wheels, or is that only higher models?
>
>
> I thought that was the case too - traction control on all four wheels
> on the Freelander?? Not that I'm defending him - what a plonker!
> Risking your house over something like that??? If he wanted to drive
> up mountains why didn't he buy a Defender? Although like others
> have pointed out, you can get the best 4x4 stuck with no skill
> necessary.
>
> Matt
>
OK, who is willing to post a resume of the article? Not everyone uses
Mickeysoft browsers and compatible video viewers... (bloody BBC!)

Stuart
 
Srtgray wrote:

> OK, who is willing to post a resume of the article? Not everyone uses
> Mickeysoft browsers and compatible video viewers... (bloody BBC!)

Works fine on Linux, with Kaffeine plugin. The codecs are free too.

Steve
 
Steve Taylor wrote:
> Srtgray wrote:
>
>> OK, who is willing to post a resume of the article? Not everyone uses
>> Mickeysoft browsers and compatible video viewers... (bloody BBC!)
>
>
> Works fine on Linux, with Kaffeine plugin. The codecs are free too.
>
> Steve
There's more to computing than Linux
 
On 2006-07-07, Srtgray <[email protected]> wrote:

> OK, who is willing to post a resume of the article? Not everyone uses
> Mickeysoft browsers and compatible video viewers... (bloody BBC!)

Worked in Firefox under linux with the mplayer plugin, if you're using
linux. If mac or other then gawd knows.

Not that interesting anyway, he drives a freeloader into a mild
trough, it gets cross-axled and stops with two wheels spinning, he
moans that it's not really four-wheel-drive (which is verging on a
legitimate complaint IMHO). He drove it somewhere remote and got
stuck, hence his complaint.

He did mention that the traction control wasn't helping, perhaps it's
busted or he has a button-pressing problem.

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
 
In message <zghrg.129183$IK3.61500@pd7tw1no>
"Craig" <[email protected]> wrote:

> What a ****er! - I'm glad he lost and got the £80,000 costs against him.
> I hope the judge went further and made the silly bugger go and enrol in a
> 4x4 course so he knows what he's doing.
> Trying to drive cross-axled with open diffs?... geez. He would have been
> better off spending some of his money on a diff lock and he'd be right.
> If I get that bad will someone please take me round behind the shed and
> shoot me!
>
> -Craig.
>

Hang on a mo! As far as I know there's no axle diff locks available
for Freelanders - the designers in their wisdom have decided that
such anitique things can be done away with by using traction control,
hill descent and the new moving-off-on-steep-hills thinge.

Perhaps this case is the casue of the article in this months LRM
about the new Freelander and how it is a "true off roader". There's
quotes from some of the engineers who worked on it that sound more
like some daft artist trying to justify sawing a cow in half, and
some carefully staged pictures of it "off-roading". Even the film
shown on the TV about the case show a Freelander doing nothing
that a lot of ordinary cars couldn't do, certainly 4 wheel drive
ones. And those two nice shiney tail pipes - how long are they
going to last when truly off-road? They'd be gone on the first
step on the Mam Torr "Fronterra" lane......
I don't count tracks used regularly by ordinary cars as off-road,
the two lanes at Mam Torr were much more like it until they were
"repaired".

Having seen a Freelander try an RTV trial, and be physically unable
to complete sections that all other Land Rover marques have no
trouble with (excluding driver error!), never mind the difficult
bits, I have to say the bloke is right. The Freelander is a 4x4 car
with some superior attributes for driving on unsurfaced roads and
accross fields etc, but a true off-roader it isn't. Along with
the CRV, Rav4, Suzuki Vitara, small Jeep thing, Range Rover Sport
etc etc.

One quote in the LRM article is "At Land Rover we don't just build
cars we develop icons". Sorry mate. LR haven't created an icon since
Defender and Range Rover Classic, they've just produced cars and
tried to cash in on the iconic image of those earlier vehicles.

All in my own opinion of course, and I am uninimous in this, but
of all people I should be a nutural customer for a new vehicle,
and I ain't!

Richard



> "Derek" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > This guy tried it on in court obviously didn't read the manual before he
> > made an arse of it
> > .http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/avdb/local_tv/video/9012da680048ce8/bb/09012da680048ebe_16x9_bb.asx
> > and yes he did lose the case reason- lack of (his) offroad driving
> > ability.
> > Derek
> > when you realise you are in a hole its time to either stop digging or open
> > a mine
> >
> >
>
>

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Srtgray wrote:

> There's more to computing than Linux

What are you using ? There is Xine for just about everything.

Steve
 
Ian Rawlings wrote:
> On 2006-07-07, Srtgray <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>OK, who is willing to post a resume of the article? Not everyone uses
>>Mickeysoft browsers and compatible video viewers... (bloody BBC!)
>
>
> Worked in Firefox under linux with the mplayer plugin, if you're using
> linux. If mac or other then gawd knows.
>
> Not that interesting anyway, he drives a freeloader into a mild
> trough, it gets cross-axled and stops with two wheels spinning, he
> moans that it's not really four-wheel-drive (which is verging on a
> legitimate complaint IMHO). He drove it somewhere remote and got
> stuck, hence his complaint.
>
> He did mention that the traction control wasn't helping, perhaps it's
> busted or he has a button-pressing problem.
>
So what is the reference to a court case and losing his house?
 
Srtgray wrote:

> So what is the reference to a court case and losing his house?

He took them to court, and the only way he could pay the costs if he
lost was to lose his house. Apparently he lost, though that wasn't in
the clip.

Steve
 

Craig wrote:
> What a ****er! - I'm glad he lost and got the £80,000 costs against him.
> I hope the judge went further and made the silly bugger go and enrol in a
> 4x4 course so he knows what he's doing.
> Trying to drive cross-axled with open diffs?

Yes he's a **** with no idea of how to drive across undulating grass.
But in the film he does mention traction control. If his freebie has
TC then it should have been able to drive through the axle-twister
shown in the film. LR make a point of demonstrating this themselves
with the terrapod. If his TC was working it should have braked the
n/s/f wheel and the other three would have carried him through the
obstacle.

If his complaint was that the TC wasn't very good I would think he had
a case to argue. As it is, he takes LR to court because he gets stuck
half-way up a mountain. LR must have been laughing, cos there's no way
he would ever win that in court.

DaveP

 

> OK, who is willing to post a resume of the article? Not everyone uses
> Mickeysoft browsers and compatible video viewers... (bloody BBC!)
>
> Stuart

More here:

http://tinyurl.com/faxvh

Can't seem to find a text report, but this clip tells the story to the
end.

DaveP

 
Dave P wrote:
>> OK, who is willing to post a resume of the article? Not everyone uses
>> Mickeysoft browsers and compatible video viewers... (bloody BBC!)
>>
>> Stuart
>
> More here:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/faxvh
>
> Can't seem to find a text report, but this clip tells the story to the
> end.

No me either, but from that report it sounds like he deserves everything
he got. I like the way LR showed a video of them driving his car
(successfully) through an off-road course to prove it worked! Bloke
sounds even more like a knob in that report, telling LR that he was
going to "bring them down"! PMSL Seems to be the sort of guy who
would use the phrase "Do you know who I am?" to me. Sounds like the
judge had the measure of him too.

Matt
 
Srtgray wrote:
> Matthew Maddock wrote:
>
>>> I've mentioned things like cross-axle diff locks to inexperienced 4x4
>>> drivers, some of whom have then said to me that their 4x4 doesn't need
>>> one as it drives all four wheels at once. When I've asked what it is,
>>> it's invariably an unmodified standard vehicle on road tyres, so it's
>>> a very common misconception.
>>>
>>> Besides I thought the freeloader applied the brakes to the spinning
>>> wheels, or is that only higher models?
>>
>>
>>
>> I thought that was the case too - traction control on all four wheels
>> on the Freelander?? Not that I'm defending him - what a plonker!
>> Risking your house over something like that??? If he wanted to drive
>> up mountains why didn't he buy a Defender? Although like others
>> have pointed out, you can get the best 4x4 stuck with no skill
>> necessary.
>>
>> Matt
>>
> OK, who is willing to post a resume of the article? Not everyone uses
> Mickeysoft browsers and compatible video viewers... (bloody BBC!)
>
> Stuart
Ah, the problem is that I'm in France, and the content is "UK only".
 
Srtgray wrote:

>> OK, who is willing to post a resume of the article? Not everyone uses
>> Mickeysoft browsers and compatible video viewers... (bloody BBC!)
>>
>> Stuart
>
> Ah, the problem is that I'm in France, and the content is "UK only".

I don't think that's the only problem. Like others I can't see it in
the UK either. It just locks up my machine.
 
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