Disco 2 starter noise, not all time

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rich28uk

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Hi guys so picked up a disco 2 td5 auto last Monday, anyway after starting it around 25/30 times over that week two times its not started first time instead I get a screech/grind noise what I feel is the starter not fully engaging? so turn key back to position 1, then start again, usaly starts then, though last time it took 2 times an caught on the 3rd, once started al is good and every other start it fires up hot or cold in literally a second, probably the fastest cranking car iv had, any ideas on this noise? cheers. Rich.
 
Take out starter and check pinion and flywheel, pinion is easy ring gear isn’t, means gearbox out,
 
What bit is the pinion? Presumably starter is just few bolts. Done plenty of jobs on cars but non starter related.
 
The starter solenoid not engaging fully is not unknown, hence the grinding sound, the reason could be electrical or mechanical, a weak battery supply or an iffy connection at the solenoid, for the mechanical it will have to be removed for investigation which is simple enough to do.

last of all an iffy ignition switch at position 3 has been known.
 
The starter pinion (Bendix) is probably unattainable also the solenoid so if starter motor is suspect after testing it of the car then just replace complete unit with a quality one,
When the starter is out check condition of teeth on ring gear, when a engine stops it stops consistently in one or two places so the ring gear teeth in that area take a beating, this is especially true if the pre engaged solenoid is sticking as the starter starts to turn before fully engaging in the flywheel,
But as has been said already check all the connections and battery condition as well,
You may be lucky and find the starter pinion sticking on the shaft due to clutch dust contamination,
Wishful thinking I know but it could be,
 
I would think battery is ok as when it’s starts it fires rapid as soon as glow plugs light is off, all electrical loads work so think battery is ok. If it was a bad connection underneath wouldn’t it do it all the time? If it’s ring gear then again wouldn’t it do it all the time? If teeth are worn. Also about clutch dust wouldn’t this just be manual? Mines auto. Cheers.
 
Whatever you do, before anything else, follow carefully the advice about connections from/to the battery. And yes this CAN be intermittent. Damp and cold can make all the difference.

First the terminal connections to the battery on a TD5 are both peculiar and SH!TE. The connectors are almost designed to come undone when you turn the tightening bolt. Bang them down over the posts with a socket and a hammer, first, before tightening.
Next check the connections between the battery earth and the engine, use a jump lead if necessary.
Next check the bolts securing the starter to the engine/gearbox are good and tight.
Next check the positive lead and the lead to the solenoid are both tight.
Once all this is done, test it.
If the problem still occurs, disconnect the lead from the solenoid that comes from the switch and use a jump lead to connect positive from the battery to the solenoid, if it all now works, you know the problem is a wiring or switch problem.
It you still get the noise then take the starter off and test it off the car. You can clean it up, get rid of dust, which doesn't have to be clutch dust, it can be ordinary road muck. But as it works a lot of the time, I really don't think the starter itself is the problem. Unless the pinion, (which is the little gear wheel that spins in contact with the much bigger gear, called the ring gear, cos it's a big ring,) is worn on the end and doesn't always mesh properly with the ring gear. Or, sadly, if the ring gear is worn particularly badly on the contact points, you could investigate this, which needs a torch and the ability to turn the gear, i.e. the crank.
Get back to us if this doesn't work.
Crossed fingers!!
 
Thanks guys. Will have a look under it once weather improves, hopefully this week. Is the ring gear replaceable or new flywheel at big money? Strange how it’s intermittent, if the starter engages on the same points on the ring gear all the time if they were knackered I’d expect it to make a screech each time but after around (30-40) starts including today it’s only done it twice.
 
Today’s was also after heavy rain all night but started 1st time this morning but made the noise 5mins late after a 500yard trip to my local petrol station, upon leaving made the noise.
 
When you switch an engine off it will stop in one of five places, as it has 5 cylinders. Each time, it stops when the compression in the cylinder overcomes the inertia turning the engine.
 
Oh ok. Yea thinking about it that makes sense. So it could be one spot on the ring gear with but of damage? But after couple of attempts it fires. With weather and work at moment it may have to wait till the Xmas period, obviously I’ll sort it but is it something that could lead to total non start or just few attempts then it starts at worse? Just because I need the car each day at the moment with work being so busy.
 
If it is the ring gear then that’s replaceable without changing the flywheel, also if it’s worn in one spot and it won’t start (Pickup) then moving the engine over a small amount would get you started,
Just read you are a auto so you would be changing the flexi plate in front of the torque converter that does a similar job to the flywheel,
But you still be lucky and it’s only the starter motor or connections,
 
Hope it’s not the flex plate and just cheap fix but I never have any luck so will be the dearest job, long as I can still get it going and it won’t leave me with a non start situation I’ll have a look over Xmas, just way to busy with work at moment to get under it.
 
Busy though you may be, the basic checks etc won't take a lot of time and are doable with very basic tools. If two or three goes gets it going, I don't think it can be anything too serious.
As for the ring gear, in the old days, it was shrunk onto the outside edge of the flywheel or whatever. It was possible to heat it up, take it off, rotate it a few degrees then drop it back on again. It would shrink back on and serve for another few 10 thousand miles.
If it really is the ring gear, try driving around with a long bar and a socket that fits the crank pully bolt. If it rears its ugly head again, you can use these to turn the crank a few degrees and bring a fresh bit of ring gear in front of the pinion.
But my bet is you'll find it is something else.
You have not told us how many miles your TD5 has done, nor if it did stop-start driving or longer runs. If it has done a ton of the latter, it would make this problem, i.e. the ring gear, more likely. but unless it was a taxi...
 
120,000 miles. Bought from a guy who lives in middle of no where so mostly I would assume his driving would be at least 30 mins to local town longer for anything else.
 
Thanks guys. Other than that starts great, drives great only had it a week so soon as weather allows its full fluids change, boxes, diffs etc and a call to Land Rover to try get my emergency key code.
 
Thanks guys. Other than that starts great, drives great only had it a week so soon as weather allows its full fluids change, boxes, diffs etc and a call to Land Rover to try get my emergency key code.
Check you haven't still got the sh1te plassy plugs in the diffs and equip yourself with the brass replacements. Have you a Haynes and have you downloaded the RAVE manual?
 
Didn’t know they used plastic. They look metal but hard to tell as it’s covered in wax oil. That’s one thing that made me go for it. Even previous owner let me hammer the chassis and it’s rock solid and had new air bags on rear, though there’s 15mm difference in height offside-nearside
 
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