Hi people my 2008 Freelander 2 has a juddering when driven in normal auto mode but select sport mode and the problem almost goes away , Now my question is does sport mode alter the fueling or just holds the gear longer before changing it's a dream to drive in sport mode , If the haldex is faulty surely the problem would be present all the time also I get a weird noise from somewhere possibly up front but after years of working with trucks and heavy plant my hearing is a little damaged, It sounds a bit like metal discs rubbing together.Thoughts and suggestions will be greatly received .
Freelander 2 (LR2) Slight juddering when driving in Drive not so in sport mode
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Hi, yes I believe in sport mode the mapping will be a bit different likely adding fuel. Also yes they will likely change gear at higher rpm in an auto. As for juddering do you think this is engine output or drivetrain problem? What’s the car telling you? I would investigate any unusual noises ASAP as these 4x4 machines can ruin a lot of expensive stuff fairly quickly and metallic noises are a bad sign.
I’m sure someone will more fl2 knowledge will come along with more info. I’m more of a fl1 guy.
Thanks for the reply the juddering is possible transmission I had it looked at by an independent garage, But they couldn't replicate the noises but did find the haldex was extremely low on oil by 0.70 liters which has probably caused damage to the haldex,It's going to the garage on Thursday for a thorough examination,As for engine I think it could be fuel filter haven't changed it for two years but only done about 6000 miles with said filter. As for the car telling me what's wrong it's being extremely secret put my diagnostic tool on it nothing everything good so frustrating no money lights on the dash only a message saying Transmission fault reduced traction which without doubt is the haldex oil pump as that went away when the garage topped the haldex up with oil so that's probably toast by now as well any how thanks for the reply Ross much appreciated oh a fun fact the oil level for the haldex on a FL2 is 0.80 liters so that might well be toast as well .
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With the TR system in normal mode the engine makes its rated power and and has standard mapping, the only difference between sport mode and normal is in sport the TCM delays the up chance to maximise power. The engine power isn't altered between the two modes, just the point at which the up change occurs.
The only mapping changes happens in conjunction with the TR system, sand mode bringing the torque on much lower in the RPM range to reduce bogging in soft sand, snow mode does the opposite, softening the torque curve. TR also changes the way the gearbox functions, as well as altering the ABS, TC and AWD characteristics between different settings.
For juddering in normal mode, but not in sport it suggests the torque converter lock-up clutch is on the way out. In normal drive, the lock-up clutch comes in quite early to maximise economy. In sport mode the lock-up is inhibited to maximise engine RPM and power.
The only mapping changes happens in conjunction with the TR system, sand mode bringing the torque on much lower in the RPM range to reduce bogging in soft sand, snow mode does the opposite, softening the torque curve. TR also changes the way the gearbox functions, as well as altering the ABS, TC and AWD characteristics between different settings.
For juddering in normal mode, but not in sport it suggests the torque converter lock-up clutch is on the way out. In normal drive, the lock-up clutch comes in quite early to maximise economy. In sport mode the lock-up is inhibited to maximise engine RPM and power.
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As I said above, the juddering is likely the torque converter lock-up clutch.
The Haldex can't be low by 700ml, as it's only supposed to have around 650ml in it to start with.
I'd be finding a different garage that knows what they are talking about.
Hi Nodge68 Thanks for the reply that might be a prime candidate for inspection , As the noise it makes isn't always there but usually before torque is needed ie acceleration or when decelerating so thanks for that suggestion It's going into the garage on Thursday so I'll ask them if there is. way to test for that .thanks again just going to catch my wallet it's making a run for it .
Its not going to that garage as they only topped up the oil never said where it was leaking so that's another reason it's going to a different garage with a better reputation I used to do my own maintenance but arthritis prohibits me from doing so much these days but thanks for the suggestion once again I will definitely get the garage to check that out.
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The lock-up clutch in the TC will come in and out as your power requirements change on the accelerator. If you're cruising and need to accelerate, the clutch unlocks so the revs climb slightly giving quicker boost response and more power. When you've finished needing power, you back off the accelerator again and after a while the TCM locks the clutch again.
The TC clutch doesn't lock until the gearbox fluid is above a set operating temperature, and will also delay lock-up based on road speed, gear selection, throttle position and quite a few other factors.
These are clever but annoyingly complex vehicles.
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I know that one. I've got it in my wrists. Mine is bearable as long as I take things easy. However if I overload the joints I'm in pain for weeks. Thankfully my job is pretty easy on my wrists, but it was 20 years working on vehicles that caused it I reckon.
Yep certain jobs cripple you when you get older I drive a loading shovel now but used to drive HGVs roping sheeting back in the day so yielding spanners about for twenty years sure would take it's toll .
Jeez, yeah it sounds like that rear diff is probably shrapnel if is was running with about 100ml in it.
It’s a service item that’s often overlooked causing damage unfortunately. When they topped the oil up did they change the filter or clean the screen?
Hi Ross no they didn't change the filter or check the pump but I've driven around 1000 miles since top up,So I think my luck is about to run out,My main concern about the Haldex having no oil and not sounding like a modern pop band is that there might not be any drive to back axle so that means the front transfer box might have stripped the splines so major money 
also it was suggested that the lock up clutch in the torque converter maybe failing so that's some thing else to consider any way a local garage is going to be have a gander and let me know his findings . Depending on what they find could mean a trip to Bell Engineering and see what Austin can do .
The funny thing is I used to have a Volvo V70 SE Sport and whilst rebuilding the front steering assembly things got a little heated and I said might as well get a Land Rover because working on that car was a fight all the way .Moral of the story be careful what you say it could come around and bite you in the backside.
regards keep you posted on what develops.
also it was suggested that the lock up clutch in the torque converter maybe failing so that's some thing else to consider any way a local garage is going to be have a gander and let me know his findings . Depending on what they find could mean a trip to Bell Engineering and see what Austin can do .The funny thing is I used to have a Volvo V70 SE Sport and whilst rebuilding the front steering assembly things got a little heated and I said might as well get a Land Rover because working on that car was a fight all the way .Moral of the story be careful what you say it could come around and bite you in the backside.
regards keep you posted on what develops.
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See what Austin says, and go from there.Hi Ross no they didn't change the filter or check the pump but I've driven around 1000 miles since top up,So I think my luck is about to run out,My main concern about the Haldex having no oil and not sounding like a modern pop band is that there might not be any drive to back axle so that means the front transfer box might have stripped the splines so major money
The funny thing is I used to have a Volvo V70 SE Sport and whilst rebuilding the front steering assembly things got a little heated and I said might as well get a Land Rover because working on that car was a fight all the way .Moral of the story be careful what you say it could come around and bite you in the backside.
You may laugh about going from a Volvo to a land rover, but are you aware that the Freelander 2 is basically a Volvo XC60 in a different shape body?
Good luck with the diagnosis.Hi Ross no they didn't change the filter or check the pump but I've driven around 1000 miles since top up,So I think my luck is about to run out,My main concern about the Haldex having no oil and not sounding like a modern pop band is that there might not be any drive to back axle so that means the front transfer box might have stripped the splines so major money
The funny thing is I used to have a Volvo V70 SE Sport and whilst rebuilding the front steering assembly things got a little heated and I said might as well get a Land Rover because working on that car was a fight all the way .Moral of the story be careful what you say it could come around and bite you in the backside.
Well according to garage the gearbox and torque converter are fine so are both diffs however the haldex is toast leaking oil out of every orifice have a second hand one from flea bay coming tomorrow my only concern is the oil seal between rear diff and haldex as cant be inspected until haldex removed , I'm not totally convinced about torque converter yet but start at a cheaper area and see what happens. I Did try to contact the local Land Rover guy a few months ago didn't even get a reply so shame could have given them a lot of business .
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The Haldex has very few places to leak, and all those places are sealed with simple O ring seals, as the components sealed with O rings are supposed to be removed for servicing every 30k miles (according to the Haldex manufacturer not LR), so to stop the leaks it just needs a proper service. It's a simple DIY maintenance procedure, but garages don't seem to have a clue on how or what needs doing to them.
Got what you mean just bought a service kit off of flea bay it has a large o ring where it bolts to the diff and 2 smaller ones which look like there for the oil pump also filter and oil so hopefully this garage will do the job properly like I said before our local Land Rover specialist hasn't returned my emails
So I feel it because it's a Freelander . Alot of people I know say he's the best place to go but they got Discos and Defenders so maybe he doesn't want the headache .Even a work colleague who has a Range Rover sport hasn't had any luck with them ..
So I feel it because it's a Freelander . Alot of people I know say he's the best place to go but they got Discos and Defenders so maybe he doesn't want the headache .Even a work colleague who has a Range Rover sport hasn't had any luck with them ..
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