Reopen langdale quest please help

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well thats typical lazy english innnit??? "why bother if its an arse its not worth doing" - its that kind of attitude that got this country in the state it's in!!!

Firstly and this is not a rant at you.......we are all entitled to our own opinions and if you don't agree with those opinions, fine. However, you don't know someone that you've never even met well enough to assume he has the kind of attitide that you imply he has. You came on here asking a question, don' slam people for giving input.....even if you do think it's negative.

I personally agree that if we all just sit back and do nothing, we'll have nowhere to go, but I'm not going to offend or badmouth someone that doesn't want to or have the time to do anything about it themselves.

guess ive come to the wrong place if i was looking for people to help out with this.....


You did not come to the wrong place, read what people have posted.......A LOT of good advice. It is common sense that if you want to know FC rental costs, that you should call the FC.....could be mistaken for a sarcastic dig if you're the sensitive type, but I think it's just a good point, simple as that.

Now, a few people have asked for feedback, which you have yet to give on what you believe you could offer that would make opening a business at this site again a finacially viable venture. So....do you have anything in mind?

Personally, I think the capital needed, the security that would be required and the administration of getting this off the ground would be an enourmous task for one person. You have a good point about volunteers and I'm sure you could find some, but they need to have something to volunteer for.

If I were you, I would go to your bank, pick up a pack on starting a business and it should include a disk that you can stick in your pc, that has a template business plan, including budgeting, cashflow, forecasting etc.
If you've never written a business plan before, these are free and very easy to use.

Then, get in touch with the FC and ask the questions you want the answers to. I would advise setting up a meeting and going there to talk face to face. You'll get more information that way and they may be able to give you details on the financial performance of the previous business there. You can also get these details for a small fee if you know the name that the business was run under, just contact companies house for help. You should have a good read through these and try and locate he people that were involved. They may have no interest in doing it all again, but they might be able to give you the reasons for the failure and even might be willing to help you should you be successful in your new venture.

When you have gathered this information, get in touch with every 4x4 school, pay&play site in the country. Search through their websites, pick up the phone and find out what they are offering that was not previously offered at your site. If you feel that there is a very successful P&P site, 4x4 experience site or driver training company, get the names of the MD's, chairmen, senior members.

Next step.....write your business plan. Take time over it, include details of the previous financial performance and the reasons for the failure. Include your predicted financial performance and give the reasons why you believe your business will be lucrative and sucessful, detail the new services offerings etc. that you plan.

Get on forums, like this one and say that you have a solid business plan and believe that you can make this site work, but need help. Ask if there are any experienced negotiators or senior sales professionals out there (consultative sales, not traditional aggressive) and see who comes forward. You may need to offer some form of profit share, but worth it for the right people. Obviously, if you have this experience, you can do it yourself. While on these forums and through asking local groups of 4x4 enthusiasts (not just Landies), do your market research. What other P&P sites are in your area? Would they use the site if it was opened again? Would they pay the prices you would charge for the services that you'd be offering??? Etc etc...You should be doing this from the start really!

Then.....if you have the capital and security in place, you can go to the FC and pitch your idea to them. If you don't, I would stay away from finding ways to raise your own capital to cover the full cost. I would raise half and then approach the companies that you found to be the most successful while researching.

Go to these companies with a solid meeting set up with the decision makers (MD, etc) and tell them what you are doing. Propose a partnership between the two of you, which will allow you to get the site re-opened and allow them to expand their business by having a new site. You could get legal advice on franchises and pitch the idea that your capital buys your franchise and then the site is run under theoir company name, web site, set up etc. There are so many ways that you could work together with one of these companies, splitting the cost and sharing the profit, but you'll need to get a good 2-4 hour initial meeting arranged and go in armed with an experienced negotiator and influencer and the legal, financial and FC knowledge that you will have gained through your research.

You have to be really serious about this and prepared to lose hours and hours of time spent with your family on evenings and weekends to get this going, but if you're determined enough, can offer a viable business opportunity and get people on board with you, I dare say you could make it happne!

Good luck!
 
ok thanks guys,

im not having a dig at anyone in particular, so appologies!

but i am p1ss*d off that the first respone i get is why bother cant be arsed..... its just eveyone seems that way these days, and im sick of taking sh*t for it..... its about time we all stood up for what we believe in and if thats sitting on your ass all day then you do that.... again not a go at anyone in particular unless your names GORDON BROWN!!!!

so then.... the last post was very informative thank you! and i was quite unsure about why the site closed in the first place.

the reason i want to do something is that im involved with alot of other sports like kitesurfing, and im sick of access isues and people telling you where to go and what to do!

regards the buisness plan and trying to make a profit from this. anythings possible and i think with the right people on board it would work.

what i also wondered was if a non profitable organisation could take the site over and not open it to the general public, just say club members whose fees would help deal with maintanence and issues arising from using the land.

i just think its a shi**er that we have to loose a site this way.... and if nothings done about it soon there will be no where left to play with our toys.... not just land rovers!!!

again i dont want to offend just get my views across

thanks for taking the time to post stuff!! all of its benificial in some way :p

cheers,
joe
 
but i am p1ss*d off that the first respone i get is why bother cant be arsed..... its just eveyone seems that way these days, and im sick of taking sh*t for it..... its about time we all stood up for what we believe in and if thats sitting on your ass all day then you do that.... again not a go at anyone in particular unless your names GORDON BROWN!!!!

should have known it'd be Gordon Browns fault

it's raining here and a bit chilly today, fecking Gordon Brown

i lost 20 quid on a horse last week, fecking Browns fault again eh
 
oh hes a tw*t like.....
found him round ours last night raiding my piggy bank

the cheek!!

the 20 quid on the horse tho.... u gotta take that one yourself buddy!!
 
should have known it'd be Gordon Browns fault

it's raining here and a bit chilly today, fecking Gordon Brown

i lost 20 quid on a horse last week, fecking Browns fault again eh

I'm more interested in this "Pole" your sliding down, have you got a new au pair??
;)
 
should have known it'd be Gordon Browns fault

it's raining here and a bit chilly today, fecking Gordon Brown

i lost 20 quid on a horse last week, fecking Browns fault again eh

has anyone else noticed how quick Sean is to defend the useless **** all the time.. I hope they're paying you well Sean cos all this work for the casue for nowt would seem like a waste to me...
 
what i also wondered was if a non profitable organisation could take the site over and not open it to the general public, just say club members whose fees would help deal with maintanence and issues arising from using the land.

have you worked out how many 20 quids (per days use per vehicle) it's going to take to raise the huge amount it'd cost to raise enough money to pay for the essential items (as has been pointed out by redhand) required to run the site, wake up do the math and stop dreaming pal
 
has anyone else noticed how quick Sean is to defend the useless **** all the time.. I hope they're paying you well Sean cos all this work for the casue for nowt would seem like a waste to me...

i do tend to defend him, unlike lots of people i can still remember how dreadful things were under previous Tory governments - if you think things are bad now wait until you get a Tory PM

it also ****es me off that peeps are very quick to apportion blame, yet never suggest an alternative
 
i do tend to defend him, unlike lots of people i can still remember how dreadful things were under previous Tory governments - if you think things are bad now wait until you get a Tory PM

it also ****es me off that peeps are very quick to apportion blame, yet never suggest an alternative


here here Sean.. I was just out of my apprenticeship when Maggie came to power, I know how her policies hurt the working people, and the subsequent Tory governments that systematically raped us. Under Labour this country thrived, Blair made mistakes as anyone can but on the whole he was OK. We can't blame Brown for a World wide situation. He's doing his best to get us over it and many world leaders respect and follow him..

I don't think anyone else could be doing better right now
 
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i do tend to defend him, unlike lots of people i can still remember how dreadful things were under previous Tory governments - if you think things are bad now wait until you get a Tory PM

it also ****es me off that peeps are very quick to apportion blame, yet never suggest an alternative

I wasn't comparing him to anybody else when I said he was a useless ****.. but if I was I honestly cannot think of either a chancellor or unelected prime minister who has been worse for the country in the past 60 years.. Maggie had her faults but she only ever did what she said she was going to do and she got re-elected after she did it.. this guy lies through his teeth and seems to have forgotten what a free democracy and a free country under law really means.. he has eroded our civil freedoms and taxed us to the point of bankrupcy and STILL not managed to balance the books.. The country is now sat here with a debt that is greater than our entire annual income..

so the alternative..

a law that allows the nation to expel a prime minister and force a general election so that when strength of feeling reaches the state it's in now we can only blame ourselves for our poor choices..

.. and another law that forces politicians to stick to their election pledges or face stiff financial penalties..

... and another law that states clearly that a Prime Minister can only come to power through a general election and not by being handed it on a plate by his mate...

none of this would probably change the state we are in right now but at least we would have had more chance to influence the process of getting there...
 
M***** had her faults but she only ever did what she said she was going to do and she got re-elected after she did it..

Hmm, funny, I don't recall the witch announcing that 'it' would close all the coal mines and take nationally-owned businesses and sell them to those who could afford it........... :rolleyes:

If we ever needed proof that a 'female' is capable of rape; thatch was it!!!!:mad:
 
I wasn't comparing him to anybody else when I said he was a useless ****.. but if I was I honestly cannot think of either a chancellor or unelected prime minister who has been worse for the country in the past 60 years.. Maggie had her faults but she only ever did what she said she was going to do and she got re-elected after she did it.. this guy lies through his teeth and seems to have forgotten what a free democracy and a free country under law really means.. he has eroded our civil freedoms and taxed us to the point of bankrupcy and STILL not managed to balance the books.. The country is now sat here with a debt that is greater than our entire annual income..

so the alternative..

a law that allows the nation to expel a prime minister and force a general election so that when strength of feeling reaches the state it's in now we can only blame ourselves for our poor choices..

.. and another law that forces politicians to stick to their election pledges or face stiff financial penalties..

... and another law that states clearly that a Prime Minister can only come to power through a general election and not by being handed it on a plate by his mate...

none of this would probably change the state we are in right now but at least we would have had more chance to influence the process of getting there...

this topic has been done to death on here many times and i'd rather gargle with battery acid than debate it again with someone who clearly has alzheimers
 
I think the thing that most people miss when discussing current & previous politicians is that most of the decisions & policies are made by whoever is bankrolling the party at the time. and has very little to do with the views and beliefs held by the politicians. Anyone who seriously believes that big business and money men don't run the country. Only has to look at the recent government intervention into a so called free market economy. which under EU rules it is illegal to finance a failing private business using public funds. Maggy used these rules to prevent investment in the mining industry, successive governments have used the excuse to prevent legislation been passed that would have exercised control over the abuse of power by corporate entities. Yet as soon as these same companies start to look unstable due to there own illegal trading practises. The government steps in and uses taxpayers money to bail them out. Money that the government knows it will never recover from them.
 
Yet as soon as these same companies start to look unstable due to there own illegal trading practises. The government steps in and uses taxpayers money to bail them out. Money that the government knows it will never recover from them.

in terms of the bail out monies that have been paid to the likes of Northern Rock even the most pessimistic ecconomists are predicting that when the gov eventually sell their shares in those companies that they will make a massive return, that's just good business as those returns will simply be put back in the public spending pot from where they came
 
Ok.....so, getting a non profit organisation....probably never going to happen. Reasons being, they have A LOT of red tape to get through. All business have to adhere to comliance issues, but in non profit organisations that is a huge part of things and to have to also administer the use of their site by outside club members paying money would put all of the insurance costs and additional compliance issues on them. They jus can't afford that kind of set up.

I do stick by the idea that your best bet is getting a larger, more lucrative company on board who know how to make money with this type of site. A simple P&P site will not be viable, you need, as I said, to compile a list of all the various different offereing of all the various different business that use sites like this and come up with a plan to open the site for all number of different uses. The more uses the site has, the larger the demographic you will have to market the site to and therefore, the larger scope for revenue you will create!
 
in terms of the bail out monies that have been paid to the likes of Northern Rock even the most pessimistic ecconomists are predicting that when the gov eventually sell their shares in those companies that they will make a massive return, that's just good business as those returns will simply be put back in the public spending pot from where they came

It isn't just NR though is it. They've announced Loan guarantees that are expected to amount to tens if not hundreds of billions of pounds. If the recession hits and no fooker can pay their loans/mortgages then the Gov will have to pay them off for them using taxpayers money.
 
well thats typical lazy english innnit??? "why bother if its an arse its not worth doing" - its that kind of attitude that got this country in the state it's in!!!
WHy bother? is a well thought out and concise answer to your problem and a valid question. Off roading is a hobby of mine not my income.I can walk away from it at any time.However you may be different, an enterprising gent who knows or thinks he knows something the previous owner dont.Good luck to you if you are, but if you are just looking for a convienent place to go offroading look again.
its that kind of attitude that got this country in the state it's in!!!
Well no actually the country is in the state its in cos of the exact opposite, people taking punts on almost certain losses-hence the credit crunch.Nothing to do with gordon blair, maggie or the youth of today.Just globally irresponsible gambling banking corps.
And them little monkeys.
You can see it in their eyes, thems is planning summit.









YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!!!!
 
well thats typical lazy english innnit??? "why bother if its an arse its not worth doing" - its that kind of attitude that got this country in the state it's in!!!

but getting back to the point i was aware of the costings involved etc.
what im not aware of is the amount the foresty commission charge, and the maintainence to the land they would require.

guess ive come to the wrong place if i was looking for people to help out with this.....

well theres a racist comment if ever i heard one.

Not lazy British then ?
 
And them little monkeys. You can see it in their eyes, thems is planning summit.









YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!!!!

Nah the Monkees is harmless onist. Just pretend they aren't there while they quietly go about their plan for world domination. Sorry I meant banana collecting yep that's it they're Nana collecting!!:D :D
 
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