Red Oxide Primer. The Big Questions.

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Just wondering if you actually know why people (normal people not painters or paint chemists) automatically reach for a tin of red oxide primer when tatting about with their car.

Do you know why engineering companies lash it on everything before delivery.

Do you have any clue to its history and what it was designed for.

Have you any idea whats in it or its secret ingredient that makes it so popular.


Just wondering like................... :cool:
 
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the old stuff was great becuse of its lead content. would,nt use any of the new water based crap(but then again i was lucky before they shunted grandad off to the nursing home i got to get my hands on 1000 gallons of red lead oxide primer 500 gallons of hamerite yellow + 300 litre of old cypress green two pack that he had store'd in the barn
plus his old bench drill and other old tools that have outlasted there modern counterparts
 
the old stuff was great becuse of its lead content. would,nt use any of the new water based crap(but then again i was lucky before they shunted grandad off to the nursing home i got to get my hands on 1000 gallons of red lead oxide primer 500 gallons of hamerite yellow + 300 litre of old cypress green two pack that he had store'd in the barn
plus his old bench drill and other old tools that have outlasted there modern counterparts

Never heard of it having lead in the formula. Old stuff had a solvent base gave off fumes and was flammable. new stuff is water/soybean oil base
 
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Never heard of it having lead in the formula. Old stuff had a solvent base gave off fumes and was flammable. new stuff is water/soybean oil base
the old lead based paints started being banned in the late seventy's early 80's because it was proven bad for your health, contamiated the enviroment but it was bloody great at stopping rust, the new water based and soya based stuff is,nt ment to last decades but thats what you get for living in a throw away society.
 
the old lead based paints started being banned in the late seventy's early 80's because it was proven bad for your health, contamiated the enviroment but it was bloody great at stopping rust, the new water based and soya based stuff is,nt ment to last decades but thats what you get for living in a throw away society.

Made in chicago glidden paints.In 1948 Glidden revolutionized the consumer paint industry with the introduction of its first water-borne latex paint, Spred Satin. The invention of latex paint reduced the use of petroleum-based solvent in paints by about 90 percent, and Spred Satin would remain a leading brand for over 40 years. I believe Red oxide is not lead based
 
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Lead(II,IV) oxide, also called minium, red lead or triplumbic tetroxide, is a bright red or orange crystalline or amorphous pigment. Chemically, red lead is Pb3O4, or 2 PbO·PbO2. Lead(II,IV) oxide is used in the manufacture of batteries, lead glass and rust-proof primer paints. until banned in paint production
 
Lead(II,IV) oxide, also called minium, red lead or triplumbic tetroxide, is a bright red or orange crystalline or amorphous pigment. Chemically, red lead is Pb3O4, or 2 PbO·PbO2. Lead(II,IV) oxide is used in the manufacture of batteries, lead glass and rust-proof primer paints. until banned in paint production

isn't red lead primer different than red oxide primer, think they are 2 different animals?

Red oxide primer is a lead-free, oil-based, high-quality, rust-resistant primer ideal for use on metal surfaces such as aluminum, iron and steel. The corrosive resistant pigments of red oxide primer make it an ideal choice for use on farm equipment, railings, window frames, fences, structural steel, pipes, field machinery and storage tanks to act as protection from exposure to chemical fumes, excessive heat and humidity, rain and wind.

Read more : Red Oxide Primer Specifications | eHow
 
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In the mid 40s when my old man was apprenticed into the family painting company his first job was to take the bus to the local paint suppliers and bring back (in 14lb consignments) semi prepared oil paint. If he was polite the chap in the shop would wrap the wire handles in lining paper so they didnt take his fingers off on the way home.

The lead content was that high it used to putty up in the bottom of the cans and on his return to the yard the old boys would roll their sleeves up and kneed the lead back into the oils before even thinking about using a stick. Needless to say none of them had any hair or teeth and the poison would send them a strange colour.

It was then used to make paint by mixing it with oils, dryers, dyes and spirits In various combinations depending on its use. Primer, undercoat, topcoat, timber, steel etc etc. This is how they did it before DIY. One of the reasons a painter had a 7 year apprenticeship.

Primer for instance must be made slightly more oily and much thinner than undercoat. It has to go on fast and be cheap.
The problem with bare steel was, even if you got a coat of primer on it before it began oxidizing, within hours of becoming damp the tell tail signs of rust coloured blotches would start to seep through the porous primer. It wasnt until the undercoat and top coats sealed the steel that the bleed through stopped.

Thats why they they coloured it with oxide pigment. It didnt add anything to the paint apart from colour to hide the bleed. That way a steel beam could be lashed in and sent on its way and it still looked new when it arrived on site. The lead content was controlled by the painter and it wasnt cheap so very little was used.

Later when suppliers and shops began selling ready made paints, red lead was fantastic. It had a high lead content but was expensive compared to simple primers. Because of this industry tended to stick with red oxide primer. That is, simple primer in rust colour.

It makes me smile when people say Oh yea I took it right down to bare metal and gave it two coats of red oxide and a coat of ______?

So you blathered on a couple of layers of the cheapest porous crap available, missed out an undercoat system and hoped the top coat would do all the hard work.

Priceless. :D
 
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Just wondering if you actually know why people (normal people not painters or paint chemists) automatically reach for a tin of red oxide primer when tatting about with their car.

Do you know why engineering companies lash it on everything before delivery.

Do you have any clue to its history and what it was designed for.

Have you any idea whats in it or its secret ingredient that makes it so popular.


Just wondering like................... :cool:

Red lead primer used to be pretty good stuff, the modern paints sold in shops has been sadly reduced in solvents and pigments, and so is not very good.

It is still possible to get high solvent, mined pigment based paints, they are used in industry, painting rigs and bridges, that sort of thing.

I order stuff called Corroless from a firm upcountry, some others are available too.

BTW, I paint a lot of farm machines, and and rover parts, in exactly the way you describe, rub down, wash, off two primer, two enamel.

And some stuff I did ten years ago is still completely rust free and coated now! :D
 
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Interestingly, most "Red Oxide" primers actually contain Zinc oxide, which is white in colour.

The red pigment is added purely to appeal to those who remember how effective genuine Lead Oxide (the red stuff) primer used to be.

The difference between red and grey primers these days is likely to be the colour and very little (if anything) else.
 
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Interestingly, most "Red Oxide" primers actually contain Zinc oxide, which is white in colour.

The red pigment is added purely to appeal to those who remember how effective genuine Zinc Oxide (the red stuff) primer used to be.

The difference between red and grey primers these days is likely to be the colour and very little (if anything) else.

zinc phosphate iirc. same as all the other cheap grey primers, they just colour it red to latch on to the old red lead paint.

zinc rich high 90's is what you want on bare steel as it gives galvanic protection, like galv.
 
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