OBD2 command and PID

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tonytherunner said:
So i brought a elm327 Bluetooth with torque pro app.
Nice live data and more features.
But no read oil temperature and i need custom PID .
Is anyone who can help ?
Thanks.
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hi

what year have u got please

if u look on the dashboard on the torque software u can add gauges , can't remember if it has the oil temp
 
2001
I know i can add gauge but oil gauge don't read anything.
I need something like this
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, maybe it can't display it on ur particular model, sorry that's not much help

i normally use an iid reader that will display absolutely every temp and sensor reading in the engine

have also used the really cheap dash command version

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Nodge68 said:
The oil pressure and oil temperature aren't monitored by the EDC or Ipack. So the necessary sensors aren't fitted. ;)
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also wondered that about not being able to display it , can't even remember if my hawkeye displaying those readings

but suppose it's not suprising with these cheap £5 elm 327 readers , lol
 
gstuart said:
also wondered that about not being able to display it , can't even remember if my hawkeye displaying those readings

but suppose it's not suprising with these cheap £5 elm 327 readers , lol
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It's nothing to do with the ELM327 reader Gary. The information needed isn't taken to start with. The the TD4 EDC doesn't need to know oil temperature or oil pressure. So the necessary sensors aren't on the engine. No sensor means no information is broadcast on data stream, giving NIL values on Torque or any other reader. ;)
 
Nodge68 said:
It's nothing to do with the ELM327 reader Gary. The information needed isn't taken to start with. The the TD4 EDC doesn't need to know oil temperature or oil pressure. So the necessary sensors aren't on the engine. No sensor means no information is broadcast on data stream, giving NIL values on Torque or any other reader. ;)
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so if i'm understanding it right, the td4 oil temp sensor that's fitted on the engine will just show a warning light if the temp exceeds the pre determined values, i.e. goes to ground and therefore illuminates the bulb , but a reader simply can't retrieve that information from it as the ecu doesn't use it

does it matter the op has a 1.8

assume it's completely different to the tdv6 where i can retrieve all the sensors data , inc the oil temp etc

aplogises being a bit slow on the uptake, lol
 
gstuart said:
so if i'm understanding it right, the td4 oil temp sensor that's fitted on the engine will just show a warning light if the temp exceeds the pre determined values, i.e. goes to ground and therefore illuminates the bulb , but a reader simply can't retrieve that information from it as the ecu doesn't use it

does it matter the op has a 1.8

assume it's completely different to the tdv6 where i can retrieve all the sensors data , inc the oil temp etc

aplogises being a bit slow on the uptake, lol
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There's no oil temperature sensor fitted to any FL1 engine Gary. Not even the V6 has an oil temperature sensor. The only oil sensor fitted to any FL1 is for the oil light. It's a simple pressure switch that grounds a single wire, should the oil pressure be below 6Psi. There's no other active oil temperature monitoring, except on the automatic gearbox models. The auto box has an oil temperature sensor, purely so the TCM can request boosting the fans for extra cooling. That temperature information isn't broadcast in the OBD2 protocol, as it's not needed.
So no matter what FL1 is being driven. No oil temperature or pressure live data is available.

The TDV6 is a completely different engine altogether. It was made by Peugeot in France and assembled by Ford in Dagenham. It does have an oil temperature sensor, so the oil temperature is available on the live data. The FL1 doesn't have, or need anything that advanced. ;)
 
Nodge68 said:
There's no oil temperature sensor fitted to any FL1 engine Gary. Not even the V6 has an oil temperature sensor. The only oil sensor fitted to any FL1 is for the oil light. It's a simple pressure switch that grounds a single wire, should the oil pressure be below 6Psi. There's no other active oil temperature monitoring, except on the automatic gearbox models. The auto box has an oil temperature sensor, purely so the TCM can request boosting the fans for extra cooling. That temperature information isn't broadcast in the OBD2 protocol, as it's not needed.
So no matter what FL1 is being driven. No oil temperature or pressure live data is available.

The TDV6 is a completely different engine altogether. It was made by Peugeot in France and assembled by Ford in Dagenham. It does have an oil temperature sensor, so the oil temperature is available on the live data. The FL1 doesn't have, or need anything that advanced. ;)
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thks mate for the explanation , apologies , was just convinced there was one on the older Di engine and TD4 , but must have mistook it for another sensor , just thought i had read somewhere of an oil temp sensor on a freelander engine, but u have a lot more knowledge than myself

see what u mean ref the auto box temp ,as i was checking the live data readings when i was replacing the ATF

was surprised when i plugged in the iid and got the live data from the TDV6 in how many sensors there are ;)

thks again and most appreciated
 
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@Nodge68

not being pedantic, this is for my sanity ,oil temp sensor was on the older Di engine , No, 20

will go and sit back in my corner now, lol


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gstuart said:
@Nodge68

not being pedantic, this is for my sanity ,oil temp sensor was on the older Di engine , No, 20

will go and sit back in my corner now, lol


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That's a picture of the K1.8 used in a Rover 75. That does have an oil temperature sensor.
The point isn't relevant for the Freelander 1 as that engine doesn't, is far as I remember. The FL1 oil pump has two sensor positions. One is for the light pressure switch. The other position isn't occupied on the FL1 pump. It is on the MGF and Rover 75, which is where that picture originated. ;)
 
Nodge68 said:
That's a picture of the K1.8 used in a Rover 75. That does have an oil temperature sensor.
The point isn't relevant for the Freelander 1 as that engine doesn't, is far as I remember. The FL1 oil pump has two sensor positions. One is for the light pressure switch. The other position isn't occupied on the FL1 pump. It is on the MGF and Rover 75, which is where that picture originated. ;)
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thks buddy , things can't ever be simple

really appreciate u taking the time in wiriting a reply , very grateful kind sir :D:D
 
RAVE info.......
The oil temperature measured by the ECM is
used to adjust fuelling values according to engine oil temperature.
The use of an engine oil temperature sensor allows the ECM to provide optimum engine performance and minimum
emissions during the engine warm up phase. The sensor provides a signal to pin 32 of ECM connector C0914. The
ECM provides an earth for the sensor on pin 6 of ECM connector C0914.
The sensor consists of an encapsulated Negative Temperature Coefficient (NTC) thermistor which is in contact with
the engine oil.
If the sensor fails, the ECM will substitute a default value which is ramped up 90°C (194°F). This condition will not be
apparent to the driver.
The vehicle will run but may suffer from reduced engine performance and increased emissions as adaptive fuelling is
disabled. The ECM will store fault codes which can be retrieved using TestBook.
 
tonytherunner said:
RAVE info.......
The oil temperature measured by the ECM is
used to adjust fuelling values according to engine oil temperature.
The use of an engine oil temperature sensor allows the ECM to provide optimum engine performance and minimum
emissions during the engine warm up phase. The sensor provides a signal to pin 32 of ECM connector C0914. The
ECM provides an earth for the sensor on pin 6 of ECM connector C0914.
The sensor consists of an encapsulated Negative Temperature Coefficient (NTC) thermistor which is in contact with
the engine oil.
If the sensor fails, the ECM will substitute a default value which is ramped up 90°C (194°F). This condition will not be
apparent to the driver.
The vehicle will run but may suffer from reduced engine performance and increased emissions as adaptive fuelling is
disabled. The ECM will store fault codes which can be retrieved using TestBook.
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hi

i've noticed with some elm software that not all software can read all makes of vehicles

wonder if u tried another app it may indeed read the live data for u

as urs is at the beginning of being obd2 compliant , (jan 2001 for petrol ) it may not have the facility to read the live data , unless a suitable software is found, as it's obvious it detected the error when u unplugged the oil temp sensor yet not the live readings

just a thought
 
plus hope u don't mind me asking, is there a reason why u wish to get the oil temp live data plse
 
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