No indicators or hazards

Stanleysteamer · Apr 18, 2019

Millertime_9 said:
Not quite sure why it would be fun for you seeing things pop up going wrong to be honest

If you were a true land rover enthusiast I would think you would be happy that there are people with more money than sense buying the ones that have been neglected and wanting to fix them

But each to their own

I am exactly what you describe, a true Land Rover enthusiast, I have three Discos, 2 disco1s and 1 Disco 2, they all need work and I don't have the money to do them up, so two of them are SORNed waiting until I have the time and space to do it all myself while I keep my daily driver on the road. My remark was tongue in cheek and you know as well as I do that really we would rather see you stop suffering. Which is why we offer advice and nudges in the right direction all the time. I agree, it is unlikely to be a BCU issue. If it was, I doubt the vehicle would be driveable, but Sierrafery et al, would know more about it than me. Don't lose your sense of humour.

Millertime_9 · Apr 18, 2019

Stanleysteamer said:
I am exactly what you describe, a true Land Rover enthusiast, I have three Discos, 2 disco1s and 1 Disco 2, they all need work and I don't have the money to do them up, so two of them are SORNed waiting until I have the time and space to do it all myself while I keep my daily driver on the road. My remark was tongue in cheek and you know as well as I do that really we would rather see you stop suffering. Which is why we offer advice and nudges in the right direction all the time. I agree, it is unlikely to be a BCU issue. If it was, I doubt the vehicle would be driveable, but Sierrafery et al, would know more about it than me. Don't lose your sense of humour.

Haha ok sorry

I go from being deliriously happy driving it to terrified it's something catastrophic and fearing telling the wife that the "cheap car I bought " could, if that land rover "specialist" was right have cost double to fix than what I paid!
I've got an appt at 11 with another place tomorrow where if I tell him it works when the wipers are on, will surely know the problem

It MUST just be a dodgy wire

Stanleysteamer · Apr 18, 2019

Millertime_9 said:
Haha ok sorry

I go from being deliriously happy driving it to terrified it's something catastrophic and fearing telling the wife that the "cheap car I bought " could, if that land rover "specialist" was right have cost double to fix than what I paid!
I've got an appt at 11 with another place tomorrow where if I tell him it works when the wipers are on, will surely know the problem

It MUST just be a dodgy wire

My fingers are crossed for you.

Shippers · Apr 18, 2019

Millertime_9 said:
It MUST just be a dodgy wire

Maybe but finding it will be the problem!...

Millertime_9 · Apr 19, 2019

The guys been trying loads of things for hours and is still no further forward, but hes not charging me as he is determined to get it!

Can any boffins on here explain why the indicators and rear windows work only when the wipers are on?

There MUST be a link there somewhere?

sierrafery · Apr 19, 2019

Millertime_9 said:
When I have the window wipers on, the indicators and hazards work, as do the rear windows!!!

So it's a complicated case and you better ask nicely the guy who sold it to you to put you in contact with those who bodged it so bad cos at this point with these kind of oddities i'm useless as i should see with my own eyes what's there and then maybe i could restore it to normality. Sorry m8 even though i dont like to let anyone down your vehicle suffered too much ''invasion'' for me to understand what's there... good luck cos you'll need it

Millertime_9 · Apr 19, 2019

sierrafery said:
So it's a complicated case and you better ask nicely the guy who sold it to you to put you in contact with those who bodged it so bad cos at this point with these kind of oddities i'm useless as i should see with my own eyes what's there and then maybe i could restore it to normality. Sorry m8 even though i dont like to let anyone down your vehicle suffered too much ''invasion'' for me to understand what's there... good luck cos you'll need it

There must be some link though between the 2?

For the wipers to supply power or functionality to the indicators!

I honestly believe the locking is a red herring

The only "bodge" is the fact he cut the 3 existing central locking wires

sierrafery · Apr 19, 2019

Millertime_9 said:
The only "bodge" is the fact he cut the 3 existing central locking wires

That's what you found at the fusebox but IMO there is some other place too where some wires are joined cos you ruled out the fusebox and it behaved the same with a replacement so i'm sure that there is more botch somewhere on the indicator's path along the wiring, it's a very complicated circuit

Millertime_9 · Apr 19, 2019

sierrafery said:
That's what you found at the fusebox but IMO there is some other place too where some wires are joined cos you ruled out the fusebox and it behaved the same with a replacement so i'm sure that there is more botch somewhere on the indicator's path along the wiring, it's a very complicated circuit

So the place to look then is wherever else the remote locking wires are?

Interestingly, the garage took the interior fuse box lids off and there was evidence of historic water damage on the board

Could that be it and I'm just unlucky that 2 fuseboxes are damaged?

sierrafery · Apr 19, 2019

if the indicators are working only with wipers on check indicators on all the wiper settings to see if they work with wipers on no matter how the wipers are set cos on intermittent wipe the BCU and IDM(interior fusebox) are both involved, on constant low speed it's only the IDM and on fast wipe none of these is in cos it's the motor connected directly to the stalk

Millertime_9 said:
Could that be it and I'm just unlucky that 2 fuseboxes are damaged?

i doubt that both to be damaged in the same way and give you the same symptoms

Millertime_9 · Apr 19, 2019

sierrafery said:
if the indicators are working only with wipers on check on all the wiper settings to see if the indicators work with wipers on no matter how the wipers are set cos on intermittent wipe the BCU and IDM(interior fusebox) are both involved, on constant low speed it's only the IDM and on fast wipe none of these is in cos it's the motor connected directly to the stalk
i doubt that both to be damaged in the same way and give you the same symptoms

Ok thank you will check that

Car is at garage just now but from memory when wipers were set to intermittent, indicators didn't work but when they were set to low or fast I THINK the indicators worked on low or fast, but will double check

What does that mean then maybe ?

sierrafery · Apr 19, 2019

Read again what i said and you'll understand cos i explained what's involved in what so if the indicators dont work on intermittent it means that the BCU is bypassed somehow and if the indicators work with fast wipe too both the IDM and BCU are ruled out and it's an improvisdation on the wiring somewhere

Millertime_9 · Apr 19, 2019

sierrafery said:
Read again what i said and you'll understand cos i explained what's involved in what so if they dont work on intermittent it means that the BCU is bypassed somehow and if the indicators work with fast wipe too both the IDM and BCU are ruled out and it's an improvisdation on the wiring somewhere

I'm just trying to clarify what you are saying mate

If the wipers don't work on intermittent but work on low and fast wiper speed, then you think it is a wiring issue as opposed to a problem at idm or bcu?

Sorry I'm not being obtuse just want to make sure I'm clear

sierrafery · Apr 19, 2019

Millertime_9 said:
If the wipers don't work on intermittent but work on low and fast wiper speed, then you think it is a wiring issue as opposed to a problem at idm or bcu?

i must quote myself

sierrafery said:
if the indicators are working only with wipers on check indicators on all the wiper settings to see if they work with wipers on no matter how the wipers are set

it's about what the INDICATORS are doing with different wiper settings cos you said that the indicators work only with wipers on and it's important how.

Millertime_9 · Apr 19, 2019

sierrafery said:
i must quote myself
it's about what the INDICATORS are doing with different wiper settings cos you said that the indicators work only with wipers on and it's important how.

Uh huh...

And I said the indicators don't work wth intermittent wiper settting but do with wipers on low or high, so I asked if that makes it more likely to be idm, bcu or wiring???

sierrafery · Apr 19, 2019

Millertime_9 said:
I said the indicators don't work wth intermittent wiper settting but do with wipers on low or high, so I asked if that makes it more likely to be idm, bcu or wiring???

Unfortunately we dont understand each other too well cos i think you are not concentrating enough but i'll not let you down:... i quote myself again

sierrafery said:
....so if the indicators dont work on intermittent it means that the BCU is bypassed somehow and if the indicators work with fast wipe too both the IDM and BCU are ruled out and it's an improvisdation on the wiring somewhere

My final conclusion: THERE IS AN IMPROVISATION ON THE CIRCUIT SOMEWHERE.

Download and install Rave 1 from here http://www.d-lander.com/manuals/ , extract the D2 files which are containing the circuit diagrams/system's operation decriptions/connector views and find a handy auto electrician who confirms that he can fix anything if he has the diagram in front of him... that's what i can do without being auto auto electrician and i've almost always found wiring or other electrical faults(not electronic units) FOC for friends even with new Range Rovers.... but i'm maybe a bit mad and too enthusiastic

Millertime_9 · Apr 19, 2019

sierrafery said:
Unfortunately we dont understand each other too well cos i think you are not concentrating enough but i'll not let you down:... i quote myself again

My final conclusion: THERE IS AN IMPROVISATION ON THE CIRCUIT SOMEWHERE.

Download and install Rave 1 from here http://www.d-lander.com/manuals/ , extract the D2 files which are containing the circuit diagrams/system's operation decriptions/connector views and find a handy auto electrician who confirms that he can fix anything if he has the diagram in front of him... that's what i can do without being auto auto electrician and i've almost always found wiring or other electrical faults(not electronic units) FOC for friends even with new Range Rovers.... but i'm maybe a bit mad and too enthusiastic

I am concentrating I promise as I want this fixed and you have no idea how greatful I am to you fir your persistence with me!

My problem I think is...

"...so if the indicators dont work on intermittent it means that the BCU is bypassed somehow and if the indicators work with fast wipe too both the IDM and BCU are ruled out and it's an improvisdation "

1) bcu is bypassed somehow - do you mean that as in a good thing or bad?

2) if the indicators work on fast wipe, the idm and bcu are ruled out - do you mean ruled out as a problem or ruled out as in not involved in the fast wipe?

sierrafery · Apr 19, 2019

Millertime_9 said:
2) if the indicators work on fast wipe, the idm and bcu are ruled out - do you mean ruled out as a problem or ruled out as in not involved in the fast wipe?

that's the gist of it... IMO the BCU and IDM are OK no problem with them cost as long as the indicators work with fast wipe it means that there's a direct feed linked between the wiper motors and indicators circuit somehow... it's an improvisation there which i can't guess how was made, i should see and investigate myself but i'm too far from you

Millertime_9 · Apr 19, 2019

sierrafery said:
that's the gist of it... IMO the BCU and IDM are OK no problem with them cost as long as the indicators work with fast wipe it means that there's a direct feed linked between the wiper motors and indicators circuit somehow... it's an improvisation there which i can't guess how was made, i should see and investigate myself but i'm too far from you

Ok, I understand

Is it just a fluke that the rear windows work too only when the wipers are on also?

I also understand you probably want to punch me the amount of questions I have asked! Haha

But I thank you sincerely, I will pass this info onto the auto electrician, keep your fingers crossed for me

sierrafery · Apr 19, 2019

I'm a bit tired right now but i'll check the diagrams again tomorrow cos there is a possibility to be an earth issue too as the IDM to get backfeed through the loosed earth somehow, not very likely but possible, i'll be back here tomorrow afternoon

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