Fuel protest 2011

Bigdelman said:

This was posted yesterday on facebook;

"JUST TALKING ON OTHER SITES IF EVERYONE WHO CAN SEE THIS AT 2PM TOMORROW STOP YOUR CAR TRUCK OR WHATEVER FOR 15 MINS WHERE EVER YOU ARE IF APPROACHED CLAIM PEACEFULL PROTEST"

Some thing that we could all take part in.
at 2pm today.

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Needs wayyyyy more hype unless you just wanna be a lemon and waste 15 mins of your life. It would be much more effective for a group to organise a go-slow on the motorway. Only need 3 cars in 3 lanes to drive 40 mph. Everyone else behind will automatically become protesters, whether they signed up for it or not. Of course, there is a danger to doing this but AFAIK, 40mph is the minimum legal speed limit on motorways?

Click on the red triangle top right of his post next to post number, type 'spam' in the box that appears, then click 'send report'. When the mods get out of bed or have finished their chippies or pies, they will deal with it.

Fuel protest in North West was a bit of a let down, TV cameras had nothing to film and so went home.
Nothing on TV news up here but some reports on the radio.

what went wrong??

landowner said:

Fuel protest in North West was a bit of a let down, TV cameras had nothing to film and so went home.
Nothing on TV news up here but some reports on the radio.

what went wrong??

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Perhaps if more folk new about it more would attend???

i only found out about thro radio,telling people about bad traffic because of protest.

This is 1st i've heard, if a forum this size can't get a message around there's no chance!!

I think facebook has the best chance of spreading this, but unfortunately it tends to be used by teenagers and most of us are too lazy to do anything like this! It needs to literally be put on every car forum in the uk and have them all collaborate with each other about it.
But i think thats a bit optimistic

If the motorists can't be arsed then they should stop complaing about it. We are being ripped of by a greedy government who see us as an easy target and we're proving them right by our lack of action

If anyone is interested the 1st link bellow is to the
STANLOW FUEL PROTEST AND DIRECT ACTION facebook page
the second is to the news report on the last event.

It is a shame that a forum this size can't get a message out, may be even organise it's own protest to coinside with the ones organised with other groups around the country. after all the isue of high fuel cost's efect's everyone.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-13332276

At risk of being the most hated person on the boards, I really couldn't give a toss.

The largest percentage of what you pay at the pumps is fuel duty tax.

It's high because we as a country have a big debt to settle. And if you, me, and others want to continue to live in a largely democratic and 'rich' community, we have to accept that we all have to pay for that.

Having all the amenities of a wealthy country doesn't come free, especially in one as small as ours.

I'm not saying I'm happy with the amount of money I earn, and then spend being swallowed up to pay that, I'm just saying I pay it gladly to live in this state, rather than a third world country.

true the debt does need paying but by those that caused it and those that can afford it ,the rich get richer and we are paying for it ,its allways the same in this country blame the scroungers at the bottom ,workers above that pay and rich get away with both

The country can't be sustained by the richer portion of society being taxed to compensate for the lower any more than it is so. The balance is too out of proportion. The only countries that can say that are places like Monaco that's it's own principality, and not technically a country.

Things are the way they are because they need to be so. If there was a quick and easy answer to everyone 'just paying less' it would have been implemented long ago. Does anyone think realistically that politicians don't want to make everyone happy? Ofcourse they do, if they did their respective party would be re-elected time after time.

And as a side note, blockades and fuel protests never have achieved anything anyway, not beyond a short term reduction to settle the public down. If they did, there wouldn't be talks of more.

i am not saying there shouldnt be rich or poor to some extent its natural but the gap gertting larger dont bode well for long term sustainabilit,and if bigger richer companies take all the business from smaller companies that pay tax here and dont sooner or later higher fuel prices for most will be irrelavent ,a real economy not based on short term pigs at trough as were heading towards is the only way for long term ,the quakers managed to build profitable long term businesses with the welfare of all invovled

Matt TDi said:

At risk of being the most hated person on the boards, I really couldn't give a toss.

The largest percentage of what you pay at the pumps is fuel duty tax.

It's high because we as a country have a big debt to settle. And if you, me, and others want to continue to live in a largely democratic and 'rich' community, we have to accept that we all have to pay for that.

Having all the amenities of a wealthy country doesn't come free, especially in one as small as ours.

I'm not saying I'm happy with the amount of money I earn, and then spend being swallowed up to pay that, I'm just saying I pay it gladly to live in this state, rather than a third world country.

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Hardly hated Matt but i wouldn't have thought of germany/france/ USA as third world countrys and the cost of fuel in those countrys and many more is much lower than here, and before anybody cries BUT we have free health care, the cost of that is (or supposed to be) paid by our NI contrbutions. I believe the base of our financial problems (apart from the recent global banking farce) is decades of missmanagement by governments, does anyone believe that once our "big debt " is settled that VAT and fuel tax will be reduced, i doubt it, the government will i'm sure find some way of getting back into debt once again

Matt TDi said:

At risk of being the most hated person on the boards, I really couldn't give a toss.

The largest percentage of what you pay at the pumps is fuel duty tax.

It's high because we as a country have a big debt to settle. And if you, me, and others want to continue to live in a largely democratic and 'rich' community, we have to accept that we all have to pay for that.

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The Chancellor of the current CON-DEM government said after hiss first Budget that it was a fair budget and every one should have to pay there bit to get us back in the Black.
What a load of Tosh.
THE GREEDY BANKS GOT THE COUNTRY IN THIS MESS, SO THEY SHOULD BE THE ONES PAYING TO GET US OUT.

We all know that ain't going to happen, banks have been told to lend more money, so the government can't take anything off em, not that they're lending fook all anyway. And where do they get the bloody interest rates from???? Base rate half percent and credit cards now generally around 20% !!!!! Loans at10%. Banks are still raking it in at our expense. Bleedin **** take

they gave me a loan after removing my overdraft i think they count that as lending to business

Keep hinting about my overdraft, have an agreed amount and thats charged at 18%, robbing gits, not using it at the mo so will prob lose it when i next need it

Heavy Breather said:

Hardly hated Matt but i wouldn't have thought of germany/france/ USA as third world countrys and the cost of fuel in those countrys and many more is much lower than here

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On what basis do you make that statement?

As of the April 2011 figures 2 of those 3 countries, the 2 European ones, France and Germany actually have a higher translated petrol fuel cost per litre than we do, and similar diesel costs resulting in an average fuel cost of roughly the same.

Euro costs translated to the nearest decimal

April 2011 Unleaded

UK average - 135.8

France average - 146.7

Germany average - 142.9

April 2011 Diesel

UK average - 142.0

France average - 131.5

Germany average - 130.5

The mean average is about the same. Even in the few countries that are cheaper on the mean average, they're marginally so, not the much lower that you're claiming.

Matt TDi said:

On what basis do you make that statement?

As of the April 2011 figures 2 of those 3 countries, the 2 European ones, France and Germany actually have a higher translated petrol fuel cost per litre than we do, and similar diesel costs resulting in an average fuel cost of roughly the same.

Euro costs translated to the nearest decimal

April 2011 Unleaded

UK average - 135.8

France average - 146.7

Germany average - 142.9

April 2011 Diesel

UK average - 142.0

France average - 131.5

Germany average - 130.5

The mean average is about the same. Even in the few countries that are cheaper on the mean average, they're marginally so, not the much lower that you're claiming.

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Just checked euro prices with the AA

France 1.48

Germany 1.47

Both in Euros exchange rate of .88p

Makes em both cheaper than UK


But the point i was really trying to make is that government isn't happy at just charging 20% VAT it also charges around 60p a ltr in fuel tax (that may be slightly out), these costs affect everything we buy, it all needs transporting, heating costs etc etc