Freelander TD4 2005

JC600 said:

Mines just bolted straight on, no rattles or anything.

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Thanks a lot that's what I will do then and see what happens. I changed my PCV about 12000+ miles ago for the vortex one and it has been fine. I figured if BMW use it in THEIR engines then I would do the same. Seeing as how they designed it and all. Not really known for their inefficiency and bad design I thought.

Nodge68 said:

The vortex assembly was used after problems started with clogged filters in M47 powered BMWs. The vortex can't clog in normal circumstances, so is better in that respect. It doesn't make huge amount of difference if a small amount of oil mist gets into the combustion chamber. There could be a potential for some oil loss, but in the Freelander it's probably minimal.
See how you find it and report back. You never know, you might convince me to do the mod to mine

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I never bothered with my old one, just changed filter every year.

Will do, so far it drives, sounds and idles better.

Philgt50 said:

Thanks a lot that's what I will do then and see what happens. I changed my PCV about 12000+ miles ago for the vortex one and it has been fine. I figured if BMW use it in THEIR engines then I would do the same. Seeing as how they designed it and all. Not really known for their inefficiency and bad design I thought.

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I don't know about that. BMW use plastic component's where others use aluminium. They do this to keep costs down and replacement parts being supplied.
Owning a BMW myself, I find the build quality little better than any other major manufacturer. It's the perceived improvement in quality that BMW rely on, not the actual quality.
Audi are far superior to BMW as far as production quality goes. Sadly Audi didn't supply engines to LR.

Philgt50 said:

Thanks a lot that's what I will do then and see what happens. I changed my PCV about 12000+ miles ago for the vortex one and it has been fine. I figured if BMW use it in THEIR engines then I would do the same. Seeing as how they designed it and all. Not really known for their inefficiency and bad design I thought.

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Mind you, I guess Germans have had at least a couple of really bad ideas in the past.......

JC600 said:

Mines just bolted straight on, no rattles or anything.

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+1, bolted to the frame and no rattles.

Nodge68 said:

I don't know about that. BMW use plastic component's where others use aluminium. They do this to keep costs down and replacement parts being supplied.
Owning a BMW myself, I find the build quality little better than any other major manufacturer. It's the perceived improvement in quality that BMW rely on, not the actual quality.
Audi are far superior to BMW as far as production quality goes. Sadly Audi didn't supply engines to LR.

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Having stripped an Audi A3 I can agree 100% with Nodge on this one. Audi quality and attention to detail is amazing. Puts the crappy build quality of LR to shame.

Alibro said:

+1, bolted to the frame and no rattles.

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Thanks

Alibro said:

Having stripped an Audi A3 I can agree 100% with Nodge on this one. Audi quality and attention to detail is amazing. Puts the crappy build quality of LR to shame.

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That's it I'm off to buy an Audi. Always liked them. Had a Volkswagen before the TD4. It went a bit mad. Electronically speaking

Philgt50 said:

That's it I'm off to buy an Audi. Always liked them. Had a Volkswagen before the TD4. It went a bit mad. Electronically speaking

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Audi are well ahead of VW where design and manufacture are concerned

Nodge68 said:

Audi are well ahead of VW where design and manufacture are concerned

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Of course they would be - it's almost like they use whole different parts and everything.....

Don't forget the original crankcase breather with the loo roll filter on the Td4 is a BMW design but they changed it late in the lifecycle of the engine and didn't pass the improvement on to Rover/Land Rover as they'd sold them by then!

They are the same company, so I'd have thought $ for $ they would have the same inbuilt quality.

Interestingly, this site does comparisons (looks like US cars/drivers)....

http://car-brands.axlegeeks.com/compare/9-12-26/Land-Rover-vs-Audi-vs-Volkswagen

While there were more problems with new LR cars, than Audi or VW - once the cars were 3 years old LR was much more reliable than the German brands.

LR - 98 problems per 100 cars.
Audi - 134 problems per 100 cars.
VW - 169 problems per 100 cars.

That's according the the JD Power Vehicle dependability study of 3 year old cars.

GrumpyGel said:

They are the same company, so I'd have thought $ for $ they would have the same inbuilt quality.

Interestingly, this site does comparisons (looks like US cars/drivers)....

http://car-brands.axlegeeks.com/compare/9-12-26/Land-Rover-vs-Audi-vs-Volkswagen

While there were more problems with new LR cars, than Audi or VW - once the cars were 3 years old LR was much more reliable than the German brands.

LR - 98 problems per 100 cars.
Audi - 134 problems per 100 cars.
VW - 169 problems per 100 cars.

That's according the the JD Power Vehicle dependability study of 3 year old cars.

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That is hard to believe but stats can't lie.
The really weird thing about Audi's is they are cheaper than VW's. At least that is what we found when looking for a car for my daughter. She wanted a VW Golf but everything we looked at was either too expensive or knackered. Then we looked at Audi A3's and immediately found 3 in her price range all the right age and condition. She now has a superb 2008 Audi A3 with around 90k miles. Waay younger and fresher than any Golf for sale at similar money.

Anyway back on topic and really interesting to hear Nodges thoughts on the cyclone breather. Like most I thought it was meant to be the superior part but I always wondered why LR fitted the foam filter. I guess it might be down to how the average Freelander is driven compared to the average Beemer. Beemers will likely spend most of their time on motorways whereas Freelanders tend to do more short runs.

Some interesting facts.

Back on topic now, the Freelander is going to my brothers tomorrow to have new rear diff seals, diff mounts and the new fuel tank cradle fitted.

Pics of cradle, plates aren't too bad. But tubes have rotted through and split.

JC600 said:

Some interesting facts.

Back on topic now, the Freelander is going to my brothers tomorrow to have new rear diff seals, diff mounts and the new fuel tank cradle fitted.

Pics of cradle, plates aren't too bad. But tubes have rotted through and split.

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That's pretty bad for an 05 car! Both my 02 cars had plates rusted away but the bars were still OK. Yes they were rusty but not as bad as yours. I wonder did LR make them from thinner tube in later cars?

Alibro said:

That's pretty bad for an 05 car! Both my 02 cars had plates rusted away but the bars were still OK. Yes they were rusty but not as bad as yours. I wonder did LR make them from thinner tube in later cars?

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My 05 SE isn't anything like as rusty. Sure there's some surface corrosion, but nothing to suggest a replacement is imminent.

My old one was a 05, and it was the plates that rusted not the tubes. The plates look pretty solid, but tubes are knackered. Suppose it all depends were they've been, if they've spent time near the coast. Or they've not been kept clean underneath. When it gets warmer, going to put it on ramps and underseal it.

JC600 said:

My old one was a 05, and it was the plates that rusted not the tubes. The plates look pretty solid, but tubes are knackered. Suppose it all depends were they've been, if they've spent time near the coast. Or they've not been kept clean underneath. When it gets warmer, going to put it on ramps and underseal it.

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I'm near the coast scared now!!! And a lovely start to a week off dude!! Hope it clears for you

Philgt50 said:

I'm near the coast scared now!!! And a lovely start to a week off dude!! Hope it clears for you

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Mine was from Bristol, which is known to rust cars prematurely. I have the odd spot of ruts on some panel edges. But underneath it's all pretty rust free.

Philgt50 said:

I'm near the coast scared now!!! And a lovely start to a week off dude!! Hope it clears for you

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lol.....if it's just surface rust, treat it and paint it. Will be fine.......today hasn't gone to plan, a job at my brothers work over ran. So wouldn't have time to do mine, so getting done Thursday now.......hopefully dry tomorrow, so I can get some painting done.
Checked my diff oil, and plenty in there.

Nodge68 said:

Mine was from Bristol, which is known to rust cars prematurely. I have the odd spot of ruts on some panel edges. But underneath it's all pretty rust free.

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Mines fine on the panels, except stone chips on the door shuts. That my mate is doing for me......but a lot of surface rust underneath.

Your rear hubs have been replaced with disks... cool. How though?