Disco 3, 2005 TD5, low fuel pressure

Hi, I'm new to Landy Zone, I own a Disco 3 TD5, auto 2005, LHD, 64000 on the clock, regularly serviced, I's developed a fault, drives for about 6 - 8 miles then goes into limp mode, if you stop turn it off and then start again it's fine for another 6 -8 miles. I'm thinking it maybe fuel pump, possibly strainer choked or just faulty pump or could it be the fuel pressure sensor giving false info?
Any ideas greatly appreciated. Thanks

proren46 said:

Hi, I'm new to Landy Zone, I own a Disco 3 TD5, auto 2005, LHD, 64000 on the clock, regularly serviced, I's developed a fault, drives for about 6 - 8 miles then goes into limp mode, if you stop turn it off and then start again it's fine for another 6 -8 miles. I'm thinking it maybe fuel pump, possibly strainer choked or just faulty pump or could it be the fuel pressure sensor giving false info?
Any ideas greatly appreciated. Thanks

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Hi and welcome

Ur engine will be a 2.7 TDV6 , not a TD5 , lol

Does it happen if u boot it , or doesn’t matter how u drive it , up hills etc , any smoke

Personally Doesnt sound like the fuel filter / pump as u can clear the error with turning the engine off then on , plus u have it serviced, there is a fuel test point at the back of the engine , looks like a tyre shrieder valve

Might be a turbo actuator arm sticking, Check ur MAP sensor is clean, intercooler hoses don’t have any split in it , but first and foremost really need the codes read

Hope that helps a little

Ps, there also a discovery section

https://www.landyzone.co.uk/forum/land-rover-discovery.8/

Thanks gstuart, yes it's a TDV6, god knows why I put TD5!!!
Doesn't really seem to make much difference how you drive it, slightly shorter distance if you boot it.

proren46 said:

Thanks gstuart, yes it's a TDV6, god knows why I put TD5!!!
Doesn't really seem to make much difference how you drive it, slightly shorter distance if you boot it.

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Lol,

Thks , sound like a sticking turbo actuator arm, but alas until u start going through things difficult to tell

Is there a local garage that can plug a diagnostic reader in for u

Welcome to the forum

welcome to the forum

gstuart said:

Lol,

Thks , sound like a sticking turbo actuator arm, but alas until u start going through things difficult to tell

Is there a local garage that can plug a diagnostic reader in for u

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Hi, I've plugged her in, it showing code PO192 fuel rail pressure sensor low input , it also shows up PO405 & PO140A which are borh EGR sensors, A & C circuit low, however it looks like the EGRs are blanked off although still connected electrically! When it does drop into limp mode, if I turn the ignition off and straight back on it resets and off you go again, it certainly doesn`t seem to affect the performance.
How do I cure the PO192???

proren46 said:

Hi, I've plugged her in, it showing code PO192 fuel rail pressure sensor low input , it also shows up PO405 & PO140A which are borh EGR sensors, A & C circuit low, however it looks like the EGRs are blanked off although still connected electrically! When it does drop into limp mode, if I turn the ignition off and straight back on it resets and off you go again, it certainly doesn`t seem to affect the performance.
How do I cure the PO192???

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Hi , thks for the codes

First thing would be to ensure the fuel filter has been changed , fit a genuine one

Also fuel rail pressure sensors are known to give problems

It may at the end of the day be the fuel pump inside ur tank but always best to start with the simple things

Are u aware there is a fuel pressure test point at the back of the engine , is a shrieder valve

1) ensure ur battery is ok first
2) check fuel filter / replace
3) clean ur map sensor , is in the throttle body , don’t put anything down the hole , use some egr / map cleaner
4) ensure wires to fuel pressure sensor is ok
5) butterfly valve has been removed from throttle body

What reader are u using plse, can u the live data

Also here is a link ref codes

https://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/chan...-hdcgearbox-fault-175258.html?highlight=P0192

Ref ur egrs , they could be faulty but as you’ve blanked them there’s normally no need to replace them , also check the butterfly valve has been removed from the throttle body


Hope that helps a little and plse let us know how u get on

gstuart said:

Hi , thks for the codes

First thing would be to ensure the fuel filter has been changed , fit a genuine one

Also fuel rail pressure sensors are known to give problems

It may at the end of the day be the fuel pump inside ur tank but always best to start with the simple things

Are u aware there is a fuel pressure test point at the back of the engine , is a shrieder valve

1) ensure ur battery is ok first
2) check fuel filter / replace
3) clean ur map sensor , is in the throttle body , don’t put anything down the hole , use some egr / map cleaner
4) ensure wires to fuel pressure sensor is ok
5) butterfly valve has been removed from throttle body

What reader are u using plse, can u the live data

Also here is a link ref codes

https://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/chan...-hdcgearbox-fault-175258.html?highlight=P0192

Ref ur egrs , they could be faulty but as you’ve blanked them there’s normally no need to replace them , also check the butterfly valve has been removed from the throttle body


Hope that helps a little and plse let us know how u get on

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Hi gstuart, Many thanks I have changed the fuel filter and the high pressure sensor, I`ll check the MAP sensor and the throttle body, I think the pump is probably OK as it starts first time and when it plays up it resets with ignition. Many thanks I`ll let you know what I find!!!

proren46 said:

Hi gstuart, Many thanks I have changed the fuel filter and the high pressure sensor, I`ll check the MAP sensor and the throttle body, I think the pump is probably OK as it starts first time and when it plays up it resets with ignition. Many thanks I`ll let you know what I find!!!

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Hi , ur very welcome and thks for the update

Did u use a genuine or OEM fuel filter please, only because I’ve heard some cheap fuel filters can cause issues

Also good you’ve already replaced the fuel-pressure regulator switch

Have u tested ur fuel pressure yet, as then ur know if ur filter is ok and providing the req pressure at the shrieder valve

If ur diagnostic reader can read live data ur easily be able to see what the fuel pump pressure is reading , what make is it plse

Plse let us know how U get on with the map sensor and butterfly valve , just to eliminate them

As a side note how long have u had ur D3 plse , thks

Ps , indeed ur codes are

P0405-00 (2F) Exhaust gas recirculation sensor A - circuit low •
P140A-00 (2F) Exhaust gas recirculation sensor C - circuit low •

gstuart said:

Hi , ur very welcome and thks for the update

Did u use a genuine or OEM fuel filter please, only because I’ve heard some cheap fuel filters can cause issues

Also good you’ve already replaced the fuel-pressure regulator switch

Have u tested ur fuel pressure yet, as then ur know if ur filter is ok and providing the req pressure at the shrieder valve

If ur diagnostic reader can read live data ur easily be able to see what the fuel pump pressure is reading , what make is it plse

Plse let us know how U get on with the map sensor and butterfly valve , just to eliminate them

As a side note how long have u had ur D3 plse , thks

Ps , indeed ur codes are

P0405-00 (2F) Exhaust gas recirculation sensor A - circuit low •
P140A-00 (2F) Exhaust gas recirculation sensor C - circuit low •

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Hi gstuart,
Thanks for all the info and photos, It broke down the other day on the autoroute, I did approx 230kms then it started playing up and just stopped, after about 25minutes it started again just in time to load it on the recovery truck, they took me to their workshops and connected their computer and we road tested it, the injector pressures were OK although fluctuating a little but the high pressure pump readings were up and down like a yo yo max pressure reached around 1680 but wasn't stable the guy seemed to know a fair bit bit about the TDV6, he reckons it's the pressure regulator on the pump ( VDO Seimens) that is causing the problem, if so can this be changed without taking the body off?
Thanks for any other info you can come up with.

proren46 said:

Hi gstuart,
Thanks for all the info and photos, It broke down the other day on the autoroute, I did approx 230kms then it started playing up and just stopped, after about 25minutes it started again just in time to load it on the recovery truck, they took me to their workshops and connected their computer and we road tested it, the injector pressures were OK although fluctuating a little but the high pressure pump readings were up and down like a yo yo max pressure reached around 1680 but wasn't stable the guy seemed to know a fair bit bit about the TDV6, he reckons it's the pressure regulator on the pump ( VDO Seimens) that is causing the problem, if so can this be changed without taking the body off?
Thanks for any other info you can come up with.

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Hi

Good that u got it on a reader , yes indeed can be changed without lifting the body off

Also a good write up ref the LP side

https://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/topic130062.html?highlight=low+pressure+fuel+pump

Plus do u know when ur rear belt was replaced , this can be replaced in skilled hands in under an hour with the body on

Hope that helps

gstuart said:

Hi

Good that u got it on a reader , yes indeed can be changed without lifting the body off

Here’s some more info for u

Glad the other bits helped

https://sjtljg.dm.files.1drv.com/y4mSeEJNsjIJ8fqRHeZwR7yrBu9zoNTpsEKtrBNqqE4vCcg2aaEByl-XjKc03bU0DDi1vkHoYoCtLPFvTOFO0eHoasiQfGmffbUTHj2kBg19zLKJH3EzhT0Va3b8OJgHCLBGTmEGYbQ-LkiNM9jZtle0t1SDTlbfCaz3Ao7zBUM3KkS8Wo47KyK5g0JKIGWMPANIFBZZ5c1cJBsMZk8gqNpTg/Description and Operation.pdf?download&psid=1

Torque setting and fuel pressures

https://sjtljg.dm.files.1drv.com/y4...ly0-rQYmOQ/Specifications.pdf?download&psid=1

Also a good write up ref the LP side

https://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/topic130062.html?highlight=low+pressure+fuel+pump

Plus do u know when ur rear belt was replaced , this can be replaced in skilled hands in under an hour with the body on

Hope that helps

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Hi, thanks again for all the helpful info, the only problem is my browser is telling me that the first 2 links don't exist (https://sjtljg.dm....), so I can't see everything you suggested.
Regards

Are those web pages available elsewhere or in another format??

proren46 said:

Hi, thanks again for all the helpful info, the only problem is my browser is telling me that the first 2 links don't exist (https://sjtljg.dm....), so I can't see everything you suggested.
Regards

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Hi

The third link is basically whats in the first 2 , as I thought in case u wasn’t able to see them and make life easier

Hi gstuart,
Just checked all electrical connections and tested volts/amps as per the link, amps draw is slightly higher than it should be but not dramatically.
However when I depressed the Schrader valve - not even a dribble, ignition on the same, but it does start first twitch of the key and tends to "hunt"especially when cold.
I think i'm going to drop the tank and change the LP¨pump, as much as anything for peace of mind. If that does work it's down to pressure regulator on the HP pump, I need some tips for that one.
Towards the rear of the motor there are two black plastic air/vacuum servo/actuators, but neither have any pipewok, what do they do?
Thanks again for all your advice.

OK I now have 0.4-0.5 bar constant at the shrader valve, it runs exactly as before and cuts out after about 10 miles with "Engine System Fault", it has been suggested by a mechanic friend of mine that it could be an injector, which allowing too much fuel through the return side, showing up as a fault and shutting the system down, is that feasibleµ?

Not had time to play since November, but I really need to fix it now!! Have put it on a friends (garage owner) diag computer, showing low fuel pressure and EGRs malfunctioning (they're blanked, butterfly removed) he reckons pressure regulator on the pump or possibly injector return. However it was driving fine when the fuel tank was full and started really playing up when it got to around 1/4, so this weekend I charged to battery and started her up, well understanably she ran rough as a bag of spanners, with Engine System Failure, HDC failure & Special Programs turned off messages on the dash, wouldn't rev above 1200, eventually cut out as before. So just out of interest I topped the tank up to 3/4s, started up ran rough for about 2 minutes then smoothed out, revving almost as she should drove for a couple of kms, left her ticking over for about 10 mins drove another 2 kms got home parked on a slope and she started running a bit rough but still revved OK. Is it just coincidence?
I'm quite happy to pull the HP pump off but will it cure the problem and how can I clear off the EGR fault?
Any thoughts greatly appreciated.