Cooking oil in TD5

Is veggie oil worth even trying at its current price, is it worth long term damage to your engine??

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Theres quite a debate going on currently if you do a search..

http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f8/running-veggie-104576.html

Its late so i'll help you out a bit..

storm99 said:

http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f8/running-veggie-104576.html

Its late so i'll help you out a bit..

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I have read all that i read similar a few year ago when it was worth considering when you could by a litre in asda for around 70p now its like £1.15 or summit which is very little difference to the price of diesel, the saving is just not worth the effort unless you get it free from your local chippy.
And used engine all fouls up your tank and the cost of new fuel filters outways every thing.

Just my 10p worth.

Well from the comments ive read then cooking oil is under £1 a liter, the engine runs fine on it and the majority of folk save enough on one tankfull to pay for a set of filters...

Depends where you shop i suppose...im starting tomorrow with SVO in a 60/40 mix. I drive 150 miles a day (6 gallons)and expect the savings to far outweigh the potential extra cost of a fuel filter..rough estimate is £150 a month extra in my pocket.

storm99 said:

Well from the comments ive read then cooking oil is under £1 a liter, the engine runs fine on it and the majority of folk save enough on one tankfull to pay for a set of filters...

Depends where you shop i suppose...im starting tomorrow with SVO in a 60/40 mix. I drive 150 miles a day (6 gallons)and expect the savings to far outweigh the potential extra cost of a fuel filter..rough estimate is £150 a month extra in my pocket.

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Welcome to the world of the 1% of tight fisted idiots......alledgedly..... according to the roo shagger.

Thank you Ratty...i'm off home soon to toast bread on one side only and put used tea bags on the washing line to dry...






BTW...if australia is so fkn great...why are there so many of them in London??

storm99 said:

Thank you Ratty...i'm off home soon to toast bread on one side only and put used tea bags on the washing line to dry...






BTW...if australia is so fkn great...why are there so many of them in London??

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It's the furthest place they can find to drive to and thus demonstrate the perils of breaking down on the red route when that dodgy veg oil causes catastrophic engine failure.

mrplebby said:

I have read all that i read similar a few year ago when it was worth considering when you could by a litre in asda for around 70p now its like £1.15 or summit which is very little difference to the price of diesel, the saving is just not worth the effort unless you get it free from your local chippy.
And used engine all fouls up your tank and the cost of new fuel filters outways every thing.

Just my 10p worth.

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Used engine oil is the way forward. Filters are dirt cheap. Forget veggie oil
As long as you filter used engine oil and mix it with a bit of white spirit it'll burn all the same.
A tiny bit of oil at the bottom of my fuel tank isn't going to keep me awake at night

BuzzLand said:

Used engine oil is the way forward. Filters are dirt cheap. Forget veggie oil
As long as you filter used engine oil and mix it with a bit of white spirit it'll burn all the same.
A tiny bit of oil at the bottom of my fuel tank isn't going to keep me awake at night

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White spirit in your tank and the Revenue boys will stick you on if they find it - same with paraffin.
However mix it with some unleaded and thats a whole different ball game.
Suddenly you dont have any thing illegal in your fuel tank so they can bugger off and dip it all they like.
I've done more than 10k miles on old engine oil and my new engine is loving it even more than my old one did. Even the unleaded dont cost me a thing because my local garage lets me have what they siphon out of the diesel tanks filled in error.
I reckon I've saved more than £1500 over the past year and a half and with fuel costs going up even more it can only save me more.

I have set up a centrifugal filter driven by a mains electric pump.

Discomania and I have TONNES of free fuel here now.

Works a treat.

CharlesY

An update since my last post (Feb) & a nod to Shifty ;-)

Back then I used to go round Morrisons & get 6x 3litre bottles of Veggie oil, pour it in the tank & drive 100 yards to the fuel pump & fill it up. Cheaper than pump prices but not by much, but a start.
So I started making proper Bio diesel in March.
At first I used SVO as it was easier. After a couple of batches I started using WVO. Now were talking cheaper fuel, I was consistantly making good batches & it was costing 48-50p per litre (because I was buying my WVO)

I have just tried Shifty's method of waste engine oil, cut 10% with petrol & mixed with half a tank of Bio.
25p per litre & the Landy loves it.

I have now sourced a small supply of free WVO and a bulk supplier of quality Methanol for Bio production, if I can increase my free WVO source, I already have as much waste engine oil as I could take- (mates a spanner monkey working from home),
I reckon I could get this down to less than 8p per litre
Now thats 2 fingers to HMG
Thanks Shifty

ps This is on a 19J 2.5TD
So to all them who says 19J's don't run on bio aren't making it properly

Tivster said:

An update since my last post (Feb) & a nod to Shifty ;-)



ps This is on a 19J 2.5TD
So to all them who says 19J's don't run on bio aren't making it properly

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any 2.5 diesel Landy will run fine on more or less any liquid that burns, as long as it has at least some oil in it.

Saves a heap of cash.

CharlesY

used engine oil??? u telling me that u actually use the oil in the engine that drained from engine and bung that into the tank 50/50 with diesel from the garage pump and run it?? won't the engine oil have tiny bits of metals?

Taffy said:

used engine oil??? u telling me that u actually use the oil in the engine that drained from engine and bung that into the tank 50/50 with diesel from the garage pump and run it?? won't the engine oil have tiny bits of metals?

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Anything by way of fuel that passes through a fuel filter is fit to go into the engine.

You would be appalled if you saw the state of the tanks at garages, where your fuel comes from. Disgusting, sludge, water, rust, the lot. Engine oil may be a bit black, but that's only carbon black, which is a good lube in its own right, and burns nicely!

Forget about metal particles in the oil. It's a myth, and if they existed in bits big enough to cause harm the fuel filter will catch them anyway.

I do it all the time.

CharlesY

Taffy said:

used engine oil??? u telling me that u actually use the oil in the engine that drained from engine and bung that into the tank 50/50 with diesel from the garage pump and run it?? won't the engine oil have tiny bits of metals?

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YES!

Read this thread from the beginning and you will see that the word "FILTER" keeps popping up. So long as you filter it BEFORE you tip it in your tank then there is no problem as anything smaller than 5 microns will pass straight through your onboard filter and the fuel system. I let the used oil stand, sometimes for months, before I filter it so any heavy metals and sludge will have settled out and can be disposed of once there is enough to worry about. After two years and some 2000 litres of used engine oil I have less than an inch of sludge in my settlement and storage drum. Once it gets to 3 or four inches I'll wash it out with some parrafin and take it down to my local waste disposal depot or use it to light the bonfire on November 5th

I have just made a 250 mile round trip today on 25/75 diesel/homebrew mix towing a loaded car trailer (carrying a dead Landcruiser) with no issues what so ever. Only averaged about 15 mpg mind but at as I'm only paying the equivalent of about 30p per litre the whole trip cost me £23 instead of £90 for straight diesel. Thats a cool saving of about £67 to spend on beer or dinner out with my old lady. But not tonight though as I'm fooking knackered. My motor also just passed its latest MOT last Wednesday with the same mix in the tank. Sailed through the smoke and emmisions tests with no comment from the examiner. The last Bearmach fuel filter has now done 2000 miles but I'll leave off changing it until at least 3000 unless it gives me any problems.

Shifty1962 said:

YES!

Read this thread from the beginning and you will see that the word "FILTER" keeps popping up. So long as you filter it BEFORE you tip it in your tank then there is no problem as anything smaller than 5 microns will pass straight through your onboard filter and the fuel system. I let the used oil stand, sometimes for months, before I filter it so any heavy metals and sludge will have settled out and can be disposed of once there is enough to worry about. After two years and some 2000 litres of used engine oil I have less than an inch of sludge in my settlement and storage drum. Once it gets to 3 or four inches I'll wash it out with some parrafin and take it down to my local waste disposal depot or use it to light the bonfire on November 5th

I have just made a 250 mile round trip today on 25/75 diesel/homebrew mix towing a loaded car trailer (carrying a dead Landcruiser) with no issues what so ever. Only averaged about 15 mpg mind but at as I'm only paying the equivalent of about 30p per litre the whole trip cost me £23 instead of £90 for straight diesel. Thats a cool saving of about £67 to spend on beer or dinner out with my old lady. But not tonight though as I'm fooking knackered. My motor also just passed its latest MOT last Wednesday with the same mix in the tank. Sailed through the smoke and emmisions tests with no comment from the examiner. The last Bearmach fuel filter has now done 2000 miles but I'll leave off changing it until at least 3000 unless it gives me any problems.

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Thanks Shifty!
We call it Rocket Fuel sometimes!
Some of the brews we have used really make an old diesel Landy FLY!
CharlesY

I drive around with a permanent smile on by face. Especially when I drive past a filling station and clock the price of diesel. I must look like the village idiot at times but if only folks knew. My local indy who gives me the used oil and contaminated petrol is also quids in. Apparently he is being charged nearly £2 per litre to have the stuff taken away by a licenced collection firm and he generates about 6 oil drums per month of the stuff. Everytime I collect 50 litres he is £100 better off. He did my MOT for free this time round which was nice. The contaminated fuel is even more costly to dispose of and must be kept separate from other waste. It is highly flamable and he does not like keeping too much of it around at any one time. Once he has a 20 litre jerry full he gives me a call and I take it away. If its more petrol than diesel then I put 10 litres in my wifes Volvo and top it off with pump fuel. Every little helps. Its this stuff that is the real gold dust as a little goes a long way. One jerry will dilute 40 gallons of used oil which is a lot of free motoring.

I`ve read this post numerous times now and Im seriously going to look at running my 2006 90TD5 on the used engine oil method.
However what I need to do is build my filter system first........could someone (shifty!) PM me a list of all the bits and pieces (in plain english as Im not that techy) and some instructions on how to build it....I would really apppreciate this.

thanks in anticipation...

You will need:

Access to used engine oil. You will have to sort this yourself.

Somewhere to store it safely. I use 200 litre (45 gallon) standard oil drums which stand in a purpose made "bund" just in case any of them leak. You do not want 200 litres of dirty oil all over your garage floor or lawn. Keep a large bag of cement handy for smaller spills as it soaks the oil up quickly and is easily cleaned up.

Some way of transporting it. I use 25 litre detergent drums because they are not too heavy once full and readily available free from my local carwash.

A filter system as complicated or simple as you like. (I started off with paper paint filters and jerry cans). I now use cheap and widely available marine diesel filters from eBay and a modified oil drainer that can filter up to 60 litres at a time.

Not wanting to spend out on expensive oil pumps I use compressed air at about 10psi (you dont need any more) to move the oil around and push it through the filters and into my fuel tank. Nice and quiet and discrete if you have nosy neighbours.

The aim is to mix the the used oil with unleaded and filter it down to the same as what your on board fuel filter will pass. This way your on board filter has no more to do than when filtering pump diesel and will last just as long between changes. I use a four stage filtration set up going from 100microns into a 50microns then into 2 5micron marine diesel filters. The 100 and 50 micron filters are stainless steel washable elements and the 5 micron filters are disposable paper canister type. All of this is plumbed together using 15mm domestic copper piping and fittings which I found in my shed.

You can process as much or as little as you like but I like to do a 200 litre oil drum at a time which when mixed with diesel (in my Defender fuel tank) gives me between 5 to 8 to tankfulls depending on what ratio of oil/diesel I use. I use 75/25 in summer and 50/50 in winter.