Britpart

fanatic said:

Slob and myself have tried to get britpart to come on here and nothing.
Not even an email, so the opinion is they don't give a ****.

Also until we have a history of new warranties being honored- previous behavior has been to ignore or deny issues.

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Have you managed to get any other part provider on here?

IMHO... Buy cheap, then you sometimes do buy twice. And on some parts.. that does carry heavy labour costs to do the job twice. BUT.... if you didn't have to watch the pennies and take your chances, then you'd buy genuine parts.

I would always buy the strongest part I can if the part caries a heavy labour cost to limit the job being done twice... that's without forgetting that the bloody thing failed in the first place was a genuine part. Example would be fitting some internals from a 24 to a 22 gearbox.

I'm noticing that quite some of the parts are now being sourced direct from the manufacturer and not LR = savings.

bustersbus said:

As ah said, it was only a rumour and don't know how true it is.
When ye said ye "liked" allfakes stuff, does that mean ye've moved on?
Ah used allfakes stuff after the crap ah had wi' ****part, but ah reckon they're comin' a close contender with some of their newer made parts ( nothing to do with the Terrafirma stuff). It might have something to do with most stuff bein' made in China now.
Ah got me furst bearmuck part today (fuel stop solenoid) and ah was really happy to see it was made in Germany

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That does not mean a lot these days. After all there is the famous and true story of the Japs renaming a town Sheffield so they could stamp "Made in Sheffield" on their cheap cutlery. There maybe a few Germanys, Great Britains Etc somewhere in China for all we know.

lol

I do still like allmakes unless that guy really is workin for em now, but see my pouja forge thread :doh:

bearmuck as you call em are ok but wahat worried me once was paddocks said that they send out either them or britpart on the saame part number as they are both exactly the same ???? not sure what they mean

The Lloyds Quality Assurance really doesn't make much difference since they have always had that.

On Allmakes staff front, yes that's true 2 guys went from Britpart to Bearmach, and then Bearmach to Allmakes. That was a year ago so probably having some effect now. Although Allmakes have recently announced they are launching a premium range also with 2 year warranty. We will have to wait and see if there really is an improvement. There is a lot of decent stuff available but often it just is not offered to the end retail customer by the trade cos they are always hung up on trying to be the cheapest not the best on quality. Needs a big culture change.

Ok so you get a brake disc at £15.00 and one at £40.00. You would think the dearer one is the best and it may well be. But the machining cost is the same for both within reason, so the only difference maybe the material. So the £40.00 one uses better material and maybe an extra cut on the machine. So you get your price difference. But where do the people charging £60.00 or £70.00 for the same disc get their price from. Dear does not always mean good and cheap (within reason) does not always mean bad. I have used pattern disc and have never had a problem with them.

wammers said:

Ok so you get a brake disc at £15.00 and one at £40.00. You would think the dearer one is the best and it may well be. But the machining cost is the same for both within reason, so the only difference maybe the material. So the £40.00 one uses better material and maybe an extra cut on the machine. So you get your price difference. But where do the people charging £60.00 or £70.00 for the same disc get their price from. Dear does not always mean good and cheap (within reason) does not always mean bad. I have used pattern disc and have never had a problem with them.

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Yes that's a good exmple of decent replacement stuff. Brake Discs is one of the products the Chinese are pretty good at. On the whole most of the replacement Discs are pretty good and brands such as Delphi get Discs from China. Like anything there is good and bad and there is some decent Chinese stuff. It's just gettting the confidence that the wholesale supplier is paying attention to consistent quality, mchining tolerances etc. There have been some real horror stories, Water pumps, In tank fuel pumps, air springs to name a few.

I agree there is a poblem with some of the traders marking the cheap stuff to silly price levels for not very good product.

Discs is discs, they are all made in the same place, I got a set from allmakes for £12.95 for me disco!
I got a rear brake flexi from allmakes for £1.96 FFS.
Got to be better than ****part but I reserve opinion until after I have the pipe fitted!

wammers said:

Don't think there is a parts supplier on the planet that does that.

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True, but what I was getting at is buying rubbish and having to do the job twice is not an economic proposition. Better spend a few quid up front and do the job properly once.

DERRDI said:

Yes that's a good exmple of decent replacement stuff. Brake Discs is one of the products the Chinese are pretty good at. On the whole most of the replacement Discs are pretty good and brands such as Delphi get Discs from China. Like anything there is good and bad and there is some decent Chinese stuff. It's just gettting the confidence that the wholesale supplier is paying attention to consistent quality, mchining tolerances etc. There have been some real horror stories, Water pumps, In tank fuel pumps, air springs to name a few.

I agree there is a poblem with some of the traders marking the cheap stuff to silly price levels for not very good product.

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I bought some lockheed delphi discs for the front and they said made in EU.

fanatic said:

Slob and myself have tried to get britpart to come on here and nothing.
Not even an email, so the opinion is they don't give a ****.

Also until we have a history of new warranties being honored- previous behavior has been to ignore or deny issues.

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The problem is more often the reseller. I've bought things from resellers and then gone straight back to Britpart if there was a problem. They've twice had a new part sent straight to me, literally by return mail. Didn't even ask for the old one back.

Now I agree the parts can be iffy, (Storm talks of 10% failure rate, which I actually think is perfectly ok) but the service and care from them I cannot fault. At the end of the day you get what you pay for. People expect to buy pattern parts at 10% the price of genuine LR and then are surprised if it doesn't perform to the same standard. :doh:

shame the gen landy stuff is genrally pretty crap too by modern standards :doh:

Datatek said:

True, but what I was getting at is buying rubbish and having to do the job twice is not an economic proposition. Better spend a few quid up front and do the job properly once.

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That's ok IF the parts you pay extra for are actually better. Most of the duff ones and good ones will be made in the same factory these days or the shadow works across the road. You just don't know any more. Sadly.

A long, long time ago a bloke called Bernard Braden, who had a telly show called The Braden beat, did an experiment with a box of tomatoes. He borrow space on a barrow boys stall and bought one box of tomatoes then split them into two boxes. The price on one was twice the price on the other. At the end of the day all the dear ones had gone and half the cheap ones were still left. Just a point on marketing technique. Think about it.

cheap tomatoes don't kill - cheap brake and steering components do

think about that

Sean said:

cheap tomatoes don't kill - cheap brake and steering components do

think about that

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Thank you for totally missing the point of the illustration. I did say think about it.:doh::doh::doh:

wammers said:

Thank you for totally missing the point of the illustration. I did say think about it.:doh::doh::doh:

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I have thought about it, clearly your logic is from Britpart and mine is from Bearmach

what I cant understand is why everyone accepts this **** (if that is what it is). I few small claims court judgements for supplying defective (and possibly dangerious) parts with claims for compensation should sort them out.
Has anyone tried?

Surely there is a major case for "not fit for purpose"?

Sean said:

I have thought about it, clearly your logic is from Britpart and mine is from Bearmach

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The illustration has nothing to do with Britpart or Bearmach. Keep thinking.

wammers said:

Thank you for totally missing the point of the illustration. I did say think about it.:doh::doh::doh:

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I think your assuming they were from the same farm in the first place though and not a mixed box from the cheapest bidders

wammers said:

The illustration has nothing to do with Britpart or Bearmach. Keep thinking.

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ah bless the ignorant and innocent amongst us here today for they know nothing of this world we live in