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In message <[email protected]>
"Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Dave R wrote:
>
> || will do, I don't want to go to the hassle of having twin electric
> || sockets put on the rangir (the shame) then everyone think I own one
> || even when I'm not towing one!!
> ||
> || Dave
>
> You can tow a caravan quite happily with the 12N socket alone. All you
> would miss would be fog and reversing lights (I think), plus a power supply
> to the caravan fridge. If you're not touring and you have an electric
> hookup at the far end of the journey, it's hardly a problem.
>

12N electics have the fog light:

http://www.caravanninglinks.co.uk/electrics_wiring_code.htm

Richard
--
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I'll tell Ang that one tonight! Brilliant. It will almost certainly be
a last minute decision whether we go or not but if the weathers going
to be like this then we're off, all being well.

With regards to the caravan, i'll call in and see the crumblies to see
if they mind us using the caravan and have a look if there's a sound
proof in which to put child in case of excess noise.

Quite looking forward to it now (Eastnor, not father hood)

We will see what they say this evening

Cheers

Dave

 
beamendsltd wrote:

|| In message <[email protected]>
|| "Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote:
||
||| Dave R wrote:
|||
||||| will do, I don't want to go to the hassle of having twin electric
||||| sockets put on the rangir (the shame) then everyone think I own
||||| one even when I'm not towing one!!
|||||
||||| Dave
|||
||| You can tow a caravan quite happily with the 12N socket alone. All
||| you would miss would be fog and reversing lights (I think), plus a
||| power supply to the caravan fridge. If you're not touring and you
||| have an electric hookup at the far end of the journey, it's hardly
||| a problem.
|||
||
|| 12N electics have the fog light:
||
|| http://www.caravanninglinks.co.uk/electrics_wiring_code.htm
||
|| Richard

I stand (or sit) corrected. The 12S socket gives you the reversing light
(not a legal requirement AIUI) and the 12v supply to charge the caravan
battery. If you're only going for a weekend, the caravan battery will
probably last you. If you have a 12v TV in there as well, maybe not... One
spare would be more than enough.

Thing with newborns is, they are pretty easy in the first few months. They
go everywhere with you and do everything you do. As long as you have fuel
for one end (draught is obviously easier than bottled) and the means to keep
the other end in reasonable order, you just carry on as normal. It's when
they get a mind of their own that they start to restrict you.

Me no want see nother landy, me bored, me want ICE CREAM!!! (5 yrs)
Me no want see nother landy, me bored, me want BACARDI BREEZER!!! (16 yrs)

You get the picture.

--
Rich
==============================

I don't approve of signatures, so I don't have one.


 
Tim Hobbs wrote:

|| At 2 weeks old they only wake for about 30 minutes at a time to eat,
|| pee, moan and then back to sleep again. A bit like being 15
|| really....

Or 52 and on holiday...

--
Rich
==============================

I don't approve of signatures, so I don't have one.


 
At least I will be able to relate to it..................

Excellent!!!

 

Richard Brookman wrote:
> Tim Hobbs wrote:
>
> || At 2 weeks old they only wake for about 30 minutes at a time to eat,
> || pee, moan and then back to sleep again. A bit like being 15
> || really....
>
> Or 52 and on holiday...
>
> --
> Rich
> ==============================
>
> I don't approve of signatures, so I don't have one.

After speaking to the ol' boy he seems to think that it's "all to do
with pin 7"..... Obviously

It transpires, although i didn't ask for clarification that pin 7 on
the vehicle socket can either run a fog light or can go towards
charging the caravan battery. He says that the battery that they have
will easily last a couple of evenings lights and TV watching. So if I
bring a spare we should be sorted for sure.

Permission to borrow the caravan itself is also allowed. oh, and the
fridge is gas!

Dave

 
On 10 May 2006 12:52:58 -0700, "Dave R" <[email protected]>
scribbled the following nonsense:

>surely not. When's it due?

november 3rd supposedly, though swmbo thinks more like the 25th.......
Wont know for certain till we have the scan
--

Simon Isaacs

"Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote"
George Jean Nathan (1882-1955)

ROT13 me....
 
On Thu, 11 May 2006 17:41:31 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> scribbled the following nonsense:

>beamendsltd wrote:
>
>|| In message <[email protected]>
>|| "Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>||
>||| Dave R wrote:
>|||
>||||| will do, I don't want to go to the hassle of having twin electric
>||||| sockets put on the rangir (the shame) then everyone think I own
>||||| one even when I'm not towing one!!
>|||||
>||||| Dave
>|||
>||| You can tow a caravan quite happily with the 12N socket alone. All
>||| you would miss would be fog and reversing lights (I think), plus a
>||| power supply to the caravan fridge. If you're not touring and you
>||| have an electric hookup at the far end of the journey, it's hardly
>||| a problem.
>|||
>||
>|| 12N electics have the fog light:
>||
>|| http://www.caravanninglinks.co.uk/electrics_wiring_code.htm
>||
>|| Richard
>
>I stand (or sit) corrected. The 12S socket gives you the reversing light
>(not a legal requirement AIUI) and the 12v supply to charge the caravan
>battery. If you're only going for a weekend, the caravan battery will
>probably last you. If you have a 12v TV in there as well, maybe not... One
>spare would be more than enough.
>
>Thing with newborns is, they are pretty easy in the first few months. They
>go everywhere with you and do everything you do. As long as you have fuel
>for one end (draught is obviously easier than bottled) and the means to keep
>the other end in reasonable order, you just carry on as normal. It's when
>they get a mind of their own that they start to restrict you.
>
>Me no want see nother landy, me bored, me want ICE CREAM!!! (5 yrs)
>Me no want see nother landy, me bored, me want BACARDI BREEZER!!! (16 yrs)
>
>You get the picture.

you're rapidly putting me off the idea of kids........
--

Simon Isaacs

"Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote"
George Jean Nathan (1882-1955)

ROT13 me....
 
Simon Isaacs wrote:

|| On Thu, 11 May 2006 17:41:31 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
|| <[email protected]> scribbled the following nonsense:
||
||| beamendsltd wrote:
|||
||||| In message <[email protected]>
||||| "Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote:
|||||
|||||| Dave R wrote:
||||||
|||||||| will do, I don't want to go to the hassle of having twin
|||||||| electric sockets put on the rangir (the shame) then everyone
|||||||| think I own one even when I'm not towing one!!
||||||||
|||||||| Dave
||||||
|||||| You can tow a caravan quite happily with the 12N socket alone.
|||||| All you would miss would be fog and reversing lights (I think),
|||||| plus a power supply to the caravan fridge. If you're not
|||||| touring and you have an electric hookup at the far end of the
|||||| journey, it's hardly a problem.
||||||
|||||
||||| 12N electics have the fog light:
|||||
||||| http://www.caravanninglinks.co.uk/electrics_wiring_code.htm
|||||
||||| Richard
|||
||| I stand (or sit) corrected. The 12S socket gives you the reversing
||| light (not a legal requirement AIUI) and the 12v supply to charge
||| the caravan battery. If you're only going for a weekend, the
||| caravan battery will probably last you. If you have a 12v TV in
||| there as well, maybe not... One spare would be more than enough.
|||
||| Thing with newborns is, they are pretty easy in the first few
||| months. They go everywhere with you and do everything you do. As
||| long as you have fuel for one end (draught is obviously easier than
||| bottled) and the means to keep the other end in reasonable order,
||| you just carry on as normal. It's when they get a mind of their
||| own that they start to restrict you.
|||
||| Me no want see nother landy, me bored, me want ICE CREAM!!! (5 yrs)
||| Me no want see nother landy, me bored, me want BACARDI BREEZER!!!
||| (16 yrs)
|||
||| You get the picture.
||
|| you're rapidly putting me off the idea of kids........

Nah, they're great. It's just that, like marriage, the first 30 years are
the worst.

--
Rich
==============================

I don't approve of signatures, so I don't have one.


 
Simon Isaacs wrote:

>> You get the picture.
>
> you're rapidly putting me off the idea of kids........


Nah.
"Pass me a 10mm spanner" "Yes Daddy do you want a ring, open or socket
? "....
Works for me.

Steve
 
Richard Brookman wrote:

> Thing with newborns is, they are pretty easy in the first few months. They
> go everywhere with you and do everything you do. As long as you have fuel
> for one end (draught is obviously easier than bottled) and the means to keep
> the other end in reasonable order, you just carry on as normal. It's when
> they get a mind of their own that they start to restrict you.
>
> Me no want see nother landy, me bored, me want ICE CREAM!!! (5 yrs)
> Me no want see nother landy, me bored, me want BACARDI BREEZER!!! (16 yrs)
>
> You get the picture.

Bring them up different - get them properly interested. I took my 12
year old son to an engineering trade show recently. After he'd come out
with such gems as "Dad, if you buy that lathe Mum will go ape****" and
telling a salesman "That milling machine is crap - you can hear the
spindle bearings rumble even though it's brand new" I was beginning to
have second thoughts about his prescence.

Then we got to one of the welding equipment stands. They had an area
set up where you could have a play with the welders - after much "Dad,
can I have a go with their welder" I managed to convince a salesman that
I was interested in buying a MIG for junior so they let him have a play
(expecting to get a decent laugh out of it). After he'd run some decent
looking welds (he's been using my MIG since he was 8) I left him there
for the afternoon - they had him demonstratng their machines whilst
saying "These are so good it's child's play to weld". He went home with
a free MIG torch and automatic welding helmet for his efforts, and I had
to stump up to buy him his own MIG. He's now taken over half my shed
and is busily making a set of wrought iron gates for the neighbours, and
has ideas of making his fortune before he leaves school. He has a plan
to start building trailers so I can see he will be spending the next
summer hols at welding school getting his certification. And for his
birthday he wants.... a fire extinguisher!


--
EMB
 
On Thu, 11 May 2006 21:42:07 +0100, Simon Isaacs
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On 10 May 2006 12:52:58 -0700, "Dave R" <[email protected]>
>scribbled the following nonsense:
>
>>surely not. When's it due?
>
>november 3rd supposedly, though swmbo thinks more like the 25th.......
>Wont know for certain till we have the scan

And even then, + / - a fortnight. Charlotte was winched out (the
medical term is venteuse, but it's basically a Dyson combined with
whichever midwife has the biggest forearms) 10 days overdue...

--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'03 Volvo V70
'06 Nissan Navara aka "The Truck"
 
EMB wrote:
> Richard Brookman wrote:
>
>> Thing with newborns is, they are pretty easy in the first few
>> months. They go everywhere with you and do everything you do. As
>> long as you have fuel for one end (draught is obviously easier than
>> bottled) and the means to keep the other end in reasonable order,
>> you just carry on as normal. It's when they get a mind of their own
>> that they start to restrict you. Me no want see nother landy, me bored,
>> me want ICE CREAM!!! (5 yrs)
>> Me no want see nother landy, me bored, me want BACARDI BREEZER!!!
>> (16 yrs) You get the picture.
>
> Bring them up different - get them properly interested. I took my 12
> year old son to an engineering trade show recently. After he'd come
> out with such gems as "Dad, if you buy that lathe Mum will go
> ape****" and telling a salesman "That milling machine is crap - you
> can hear the spindle bearings rumble even though it's brand new" I
> was beginning to have second thoughts about his prescence.
>
> Then we got to one of the welding equipment stands. They had an area
> set up where you could have a play with the welders - after much "Dad,
> can I have a go with their welder" I managed to convince a salesman
> that I was interested in buying a MIG for junior so they let him have
> a play (expecting to get a decent laugh out of it). After he'd run
> some decent looking welds (he's been using my MIG since he was 8) I
> left him there for the afternoon - they had him demonstratng their
> machines whilst saying "These are so good it's child's play to weld".
> He went home with a free MIG torch and automatic welding helmet for
> his efforts, and I had to stump up to buy him his own MIG. He's now
> taken over half my shed and is busily making a set of wrought iron
> gates for the neighbours, and has ideas of making his fortune before
> he leaves school. He has a plan to start building trailers so I can
> see he will be spending the next summer hols at welding school
> getting his certification. And for his birthday he wants.... a fire
> extinguisher!

Based upon my experience learning to weld in Dad's shed when I was young,
I'd buy him the extinguisher NOW :)

Dad was smart enough to have a dry powder unit close by where I was working,
I'd put the fire out before too much damage was done by the fire. Now the
damage done by the dry powder, that took a while longer to put right ...

Karen

--
"I'd far rather be happy than right any day."
- Slartibartfast


 
Karen Gallagher wrote:

> Based upon my experience learning to weld in Dad's shed when I was young,
> I'd buy him the extinguisher NOW :)

There's 3 extinguishers in the shed already - I didn't spend 6 years as
a career firefighter and not learn about the value of such things. And
I didn't get through my apprenticeship without a couple of unexpected
episodes of incineration where fire supression equipment proved it's
value. Young David has already had a fairly extensive play with
extinguishers courtesy of my ex-colleagues and says he wants to be a
fireman - which is NOT going to happen.

--
EMB
 
in article [email protected], Dave R at
[email protected] wrote on 11/5/06 4:31 pm:

> May 22nd. But my other half has never been early for anything since
> I've known her.

They only let you go 10 days over the due date, so your baby will have
arrived by June 2nd at the very latest...or tomorrow or next week. I've got
four children and three of them arrived two weeks early and the other one a
week.

> We're thinking that maybe if it arrives on time it will
> hopefully have settled into a routine by then (hopefully).

Hopefully!

> Would be nice to do something as a new family before I go back to work. Oh, >
> and I want it to learn all the Land Rover Variants before it's a month old.

No harm in trying.

> Dave
>

--
Nikki

2000 Discovery V8
1990 Discovery V8
1979 Lightweight 2.25 petrol
1976 Series lll 2.25 petrol - in need of repair

 
On or around Thu, 11 May 2006 16:24:17 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Dave R wrote:
>
>|| will do, I don't want to go to the hassle of having twin electric
>|| sockets put on the rangir (the shame) then everyone think I own one
>|| even when I'm not towing one!!
>||
>|| Dave
>
>You can tow a caravan quite happily with the 12N socket alone. All you
>would miss would be fog and reversing lights (I think), plus a power supply
>to the caravan fridge. If you're not touring and you have an electric
>hookup at the far end of the journey, it's hardly a problem.

Fogs are on the 12N socket. reversing lights are on the 12S, yes, and
auxiliary supplies and so forth.

Make sure you secure the 12S plug properly on the van, though - dragging
them down the road doesn't improve the plug.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
Robert Frost (1874-1963) from Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening
 
On or around Thu, 11 May 2006 21:53:14 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Simon Isaacs wrote:
>
>|| On Thu, 11 May 2006 17:41:31 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
>|| <[email protected]> scribbled the following nonsense:
>||
>||| Me no want see nother landy, me bored, me want ICE CREAM!!! (5 yrs)
>||| Me no want see nother landy, me bored, me want BACARDI BREEZER!!!
>||| (16 yrs)
>|||
>||| You get the picture.
>||
>|| you're rapidly putting me off the idea of kids........
>
>Nah, they're great. It's just that, like marriage, the first 30 years are
>the worst.

and it does give you a perfect excuse to buy ice cream for yerself at the
same time.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
Robert Frost (1874-1963) from Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening
 
On or around Thu, 11 May 2006 22:01:13 +0100, Steve
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Simon Isaacs wrote:
>
>>> You get the picture.
>>
>> you're rapidly putting me off the idea of kids........
>
>
>Nah.
>"Pass me a 10mm spanner" "Yes Daddy do you want a ring, open or socket
>? "....
>Works for me.

Excellent, glad to see you're bringing 'em up proper-like.

How's the young'un coming on? 'twas yours that was in for chassis repairs,
nesspar?
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
Robert Frost (1874-1963) from Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening
 
On or around Fri, 12 May 2006 12:46:28 +1200, EMB <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Karen Gallagher wrote:
>
>> Based upon my experience learning to weld in Dad's shed when I was young,
>> I'd buy him the extinguisher NOW :)
>
>There's 3 extinguishers in the shed already - I didn't spend 6 years as
>a career firefighter and not learn about the value of such things. And
>I didn't get through my apprenticeship without a couple of unexpected
>episodes of incineration where fire supression equipment proved it's
>value. Young David has already had a fairly extensive play with
>extinguishers courtesy of my ex-colleagues and says he wants to be a
>fireman - which is NOT going to happen.

meany. The world needs people who want to be firemen. I have much
admiration for 'em, most esepcially the volunteers...
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
Robert Frost (1874-1963) from Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening
 
Richard Brookman wrote:
> Dave R wrote:
>
> || will do, I don't want to go to the hassle of having twin electric
> || sockets put on the rangir (the shame) then everyone think I own one
> || even when I'm not towing one!!
> ||
> || Dave
>
> You can tow a caravan quite happily with the 12N socket alone. All you
> would miss would be fog and reversing lights (I think), plus a power supply
> to the caravan fridge. If you're not touring and you have an electric
> hookup at the far end of the journey, it's hardly a problem.
>

I'd have thought a towing hitch would be useful too, unless you steel
braid the cable...:)

Stuart
 
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