any thoughts on 300tdi showing over heat?

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fikwit

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hi,
new to the forum, ive had 110 300tdi for over a year now and the heaters have always been cold, so at last service i changed the stat, upon removal of old stat found it to be full of 6mm holes, my truck now shows to be over heating on my short journey to and from work.
ive flushed it for blokages, bled it and there is no air in the system.
ive also checked that stat worked before fitting, the 110 is a 1987 so the engine is after market fit.
its doing my head in as it was running fine before just no heating.

cheers
 
hi,
new to the forum, ive had 110 300tdi for over a year now and the heaters have always been cold, so at last service i changed the stat, upon removal of old stat found it to be full of 6mm holes, my truck now shows to be over heating on my short journey to and from work.
ive flushed it for blokages, bled it and there is no air in the system.
ive also checked that stat worked before fitting, the 110 is a 1987 so the engine is after market fit.
its doing my head in as it was running fine before just no heating.

cheers

Has it been used offroad?

Shine a torch through the front of the rad to see if it's blocked externally.

How far is your short journey to work?

Are you sure it's overheating? The 300tdi temp sensor will read hot if the original gauge is being used. The usual thing is to put the temp sensor from the old engine in using an adapter.
 
when engines hot feel top hose to see if its hot if it isnt thermostat is not open ,feel radiator all across its surface it should be hot/warm all over its surface if it isnt replace it, ensure you fill system with both bungs removed and expansion tank cap and fill to all overflowing,level in tank is no indicator of full cooling system
 
the 110 is never used off road by me its to much hastle up her sneaking about and im a jock so im certainly not going to pay!!
the top hose seems to be hot to touch and radiator seem to be fine also, the pumps working and pressurising the system, its not losing any water und up until the end of last year it was doing 500+ miles every week every week for work.
 
sorry forgot to say my short journey to work is now about 2 miles, buy the time i get to the car park its nearly in the red, ive checked it out and the water certianly not boiling out of expansion tank.
 
you need to check rad all over surface as they are prone to not get hot all over cooler places show no cooling is taking place ,as ratty said it could easily be sender to guage mis match or faulty ,you need to check actual temp of engine , if it is the problem you can either alter sender ,change guage for 300 one or fit resistor in the wire to sender
 
It is common to sometimes find a single hole in a stat where the jiggle pin has been drilled/pulled out to allow for a small flow of hot water through the radiator at all times; this has several benefits such as stopping a radiator from flash freezing in VERY cold conditions (Siberian cold!) and also means that true engine temperature water will sit right up again the wax stat.

Now the fact that there have been many holes drilled in it suggests to me the previous owner has had issues with it at least READING too hot, at this point we don't actually know that it was actually getting too hot - it may have been. So they may have been assuming the gauge was correct and altering the cooling system to make the gauge say what it should!

A few questions to help diagnose the fault, is the engine original to that Land Rover? What colour is the little band round the terminal on the temperature sender (mounted just next to the stat housing) it should be black. What colour is the coolant, blue/green/rusty is it transparent or opaque?

If you can open the expansion tank up and it doesn’t boil then we are still within the bounds of non damaging temperatures. The engine would happily sit at 100° C all day long that wouldn’t damage it, to be honest the water galleries in the block up against the cylinders probably has water up at 100°C and higher during normal running anyway. With the correct quantity and type of coolant the boiling point will have been raised and the system is pressurised to further increase the boiling point. So bear all this in mind when doing your diagnostics.

Standard car temperature gauges are designed to scare people, they must assume all drivers are like that blonde that sits in the outside lane on an empty motorway doing 50mph – not that she would notice it mind you. They want you to stop and turn off your engine, when this gauge goes into the red the engine is still at a reasonable operating temperature, it’s just hotter than the manufacturer ever expected it to get. I would want to prove how accurate the gauge is, it could be that there is a mismatch and the gauge is reading hotter than it really is, coupled with that, I would want to get an idea of how well my cooling system appeared to be working.

If you have the viscous fan fitted you may want to take it off for the next test, 32mm spanner, give it a good thump to the RIGHT with a hammer and it should undo, just turn it off the pulley and set aside. You say you gauge goes into the red after two miles? Now drive it 2 miles or just as it goes into the red, get out and see if you can put your hand against the thermostat housing? You could also stick your fingers – or even better a thermometer into the expansion tank and see how hot it is. I would expect to still be able to hold my fingers in the water without burning them unless it was being driven flat out up a hill or something. If it’s not that hot then I would be almost CERTAIN that it’s a gauge issue.

If however it is hot then stick your hand onto the radiator to feel the different temperatures on the rad, just watch out for the belt. Feel the top of the rad, it should be hot, then feel across the top and it will either feel all the same or it may even start to cool, then do the same across the bottom, from the point of entry to the point of exit you should be able to trace a temperature drop (do this quickly after stopping because you have no cooling when your stopped with no fan so it will all start to heat up). If it feels like it’s doing its job then we can, at least for now, assume the rad is OK.

Let us know how you get on.
 
thank you for your comprehensive advice, i dont suppose your anywhere near Grangemouth and could give me some of your time?
the engine is 300tdi i think from a discovery it was fitted in to car by previous owner(s).
the coolant is a greeny blue colour and as for the colour of the band at temp sender i will need to check when i can sneak out of my office as i never paid it any atttention before
 
I suspect that the engine from the Disco will have the Disco temp sender in it - this could be your problem. I may have a Defender one at home we could use to prove this.

Coolant sounds in good order, if it was rusty I would maybe say it could be clogged radiator etc...

What time do you finish today?
 
I suspect that the engine from the Disco will have the Disco temp sender in it - this could be your problem. I may have a Defender one at home we could use to prove this.

could well be - been a few guys that have had this issue. The senders and gauge have to match.

Only puzzle is the OP suggests this is a recent thing? Wonder if he still has the thermostat with holes he removed to pop back in and see if all goes back to normal? Or even try running it for a while with no thermostat in?

May be the last owner tried to cure by increasing the coolant circulation ahead of the collant getting to temperature and the thermostat then opening - that said, would expect the gauge to run hot all the time if the sender were wrong.
 
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could well be - been a few guys that have had this issue. The senders and gauge have to match.

Only puzzle is the OP suggests this is a recent thing? Wonder if he still has the thermostat with holes he removed to pop back in and see if all goes back to normal? Or even try running it for a while with no thermostat in?

May be the last owner tried to cure by increasing the coolant circulation ahead of the collant getting to temperature and the thermostat then opening - that said, would expect the gauge to run hot all the time if the sender were wrong.

I think that is exactly what happened, they didn't understand what was happening so basically filled the stat full of holes to over cool it. Fikwit has sorted this as it's not right (he said his heater was rubbish I think - THAT to me is BIG problem - NO HEATER!) and it's shown up the issue. If the heater never got hot, then the coolant must have stayed low enough that it just never let the needle tip past normal.

When I put a 300tdi from a Disco inplace of my 2.5NA, until I got the right sender my gauge ran in the red all the time, I ended up fitting an aftermarket 40°C - 120°C gauge.
 
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before removing old stat the heater never worked, just enough to stop the glass from freezing in winter. i did however run on occasion with the rad covered with some card to restrict air flow and it worked as long as it was short journey, if i ran like this on motor way i would need to stop and remove to allow car to cool, i owned a disco1 300 tdi and this car had no heater when purchased so it was simple fix new stat and no problems, sub tropical motoring
the car has never missed a beat and has just been serviced its just doing my head in as i dont have the knowlage and only limited equipment, i dont really want to put old item back in but if needs must.
new stat is a 88 degree item with small hole visable as advised by local specialist
 
I put my money on the sensor!!
Got the same problem, disco 300 engine in 1988 def and guage reads hot.
Ordered black band sensor from Steve parker conversions.
Fitting it today and will report back
 
Bit the bullet after work and booted the 110 up and down motorway earlier and gauge never went all the way in red before dropping back to zero it the continued to go up and down for the rest of my journey this included a few big hills
 
Bit the bullet after work and booted the 110 up and down motorway earlier and gauge never went all the way in red before dropping back to zero it the continued to go up and down for the rest of my journey this included a few big hills

Did it really alternate between zero and red? Makes me start thinking wiring fault as well as sender

Would swap sender first and see where you get to
 
Did it really alternate between zero and red? Makes me start thinking wiring fault as well as sender

Would swap sender first and see where you get to

Not nessy-celery. If it is the incorrect sender fitted, the temp will rise into the red when under load. The themostat then opens causing the temp to drop again. Seeing as 300tdi's are overcooled, if the sender is mis-reading the temp range then it could be it's showing too low when engine load is removed when the vehicle is on the downhill stretches in the current cold spell we're having.
 
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