A few pics from after the protest

blue beasty said:

Of course it did but can't you see how other lane users could easily twist that into dangerous out-of-control vehicles?

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Could easily be twisted into that. How many out of control skidding cars/vans/lorries have there been on main roads over the last few weeks?

There are far worse pics on here and elsewhere for the bobbles to use as ammo if they wish.

People have been treading on eggshells over the situation on byways for years and where has it got them?? NOWHERE!

The only approach that is going to work is a direct one which is what GLASS and the TRF are finally starting to do.

top-cat said:

I dont assume anything BB i am sure lots of peeps do far more than myself, but i cant see the point of slating folks for persuing there past time
, every single post asking what do i need to go green laning gets answers of advice telling not to go alone and to take lots of recovery equiptment, but no one ever says "but dont use the recovery equiptment or else you are doomed" i dont know why people have to have a dig at folks just because they wouldnt do things that way. The instruction at the protest was to get out there and do as many lanes as posible and show the anti`s that we are not lying down and giving in to there every demand, and distribute as many leaflets as possible. I skided on some ice going to a job in the van the other day, should i have stayed at home and not ventured out? the only risk on any lanes that day was to your own vehicle, i took a bog standard d2 on road tyres on a very rutted start of chapel gate, no damage to the lanes, when we reached a long steep climb we decided not to continue and turned arround, the bbc got some fottage on the short section we drove and it was aired on bbc`s north west news program that night. It would have been great to have attempted the climb, i may have done in one of the 90`s as it has front and rear lockers and extreeme tyres so might have made it without doing any damage, but we decided the best option was to turn arround.

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I get all that and I've got no problem with any of it. All I'm saying is if you're going to step into the spotlight please make sure you look cleaner than clean because everything will be scrutinised.

I KNOW no damage would've been caused by a sliding Landy
I KNOW if there had been other lane users there then you would've waited for them to pass before attempting a tricky section

I also know that people looking to blacken your/the protests reputation will point at the pic and say 'What if I'd stood there with my 3 kids to let them pass.....'

I know it's bull****....doesn't mean people that want to believe it won't though....and some of those people may well be ones making big decisions on lane status

top-cat said:

cant see anything wrong here, the silver d2 is mine on chapel gate, didnt expect to be going laning only went to show support for the protest and ended up takling the bbc camera man and reporter so they could film one of the lanes they are trying to permanently close, if id know i would have taken one of my 90s and done a few more lanes with craig and big Al, nice to meet you by the fella`s.
Its a shame more people didnt come to show there support for the pastime we all love that is green laning, instead of just bending over and taking it in the arse by the anti`s or just hoping others will do have a day off work in the cold for the cause, but hey ho some people are doers, others arent, I would sooner be out there fiighting for what we believe in than sitting winging at those who do

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goonarmy is just a knob

craigyb said:

Could easily be twisted into that. How many out of control skidding cars/vans/lorries have there been on main roads over the last few weeks?

There are far worse pics on here and elsewhere for the bobbles to use as ammo if they wish.

People have been treading on eggshells over the situation on byways for years and where has it got them?? NOWHERE!

The only approach that is going to work is a direct one which is what GLASS and the TRF are finally starting to do.

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FFS we aren't talking about main roads are we??

Direct action is very powerful and can work wonders....trust me I know.

I'm just asking you to be careful because the power is just as great if it backfires! This I also know

jamesmartin said:

goonarmy is just a knob

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jamesmartin said:

goonarmy is just a knob

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Hi James, Is he a rambler?

blue beasty said:

FFS we aren't talking about main roads are we??

Direct action is very powerful and can work wonders....trust me I know.

I'm just asking you to be careful because the power is just as great if it backfires! This I also know

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No we are talking about apparent dangerous out of control vehicles, which is unavoidable in certain situations whether on a main or unclassified road.

jamesmartin said:

goonarmy is just a knob

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Thank you James....a very useful input to the discussion

He has been rambling on with himself, that's for sure.

blue beasty said:

Thank you James....a very useful input to the discussion

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anytime cant see the issue ,at least the lads went to do something

Seems that that isn't allowed or liked on here James. Plenty of talkin' not a lot of doin'.

top-cat said:

Hi James, Is he a rambler?

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hi yes but spelt different

Big Al inSalford. said:

Seems that that isn't allowed or liked on here James. Plenty of talkin' not a lot of doin'.

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Thats not a good attitude for someone stepping into the limelight representing lots of other people....which like it or not thats what you guys are doing and I applaud you for it.

But you are representing lots of other people and slagging them off is a mugs game.

You'll get slagged off from all directions but you need to put emotions aside and listen to opinions....some will be worth taking on.

We need to box clever, I'm no stranger to direct-action and get as militant as you like so long as you spend twice as long thinking about the consequences as you do planning the action

a bit over the top bb since its one bloke and no one on here knows the answer ,and at least theyve tried ,those against a combustion engine in the country side or in the water will never be swayed ,but the authorities will look at numbers as long as care is taken

I'm only slagging off the haters that seem to love slating posts, putting people down and making most noobs look stupid. All I was saying is WE have to get out and use the lanes we are trying to save and THEY are trying to have closed. at least I know if green landing gets stopped, I did my bit.

I applaud you guys who went on the protest, but you are coming across on here as petulant teenagers with their fingers in their ears deliberately refusing to listen to advice that would only benefit the greenlaneing cause.

I liked the pictures anyway.

Good grief!

'out of control' .. it's a steep hill on ice/snow, probably to be expected.

'Public perception' .. feck 'em, were there any spectators to the event?

'Bad publicity' .. So what? It's a Land rover slightly sideways on a lane, FFS, perhaps you should say the same about the pics of the white 110 sideways in a ditch, or Pikeys 90 on it's roof? (NOT taking the **** guys, using your pics as an example, sorry!! ) At least be feckin' consistent in the condemnation of others.

FFS, we play nicely, we stop to let the bobbles past, we smile, grit our teeth and politely say 'good morning', whatever, and get scowls and fist-waving in return. I say feck 'em .. the worm is turning and it's about time we stood up for our rights, drove the lanes when, where and how we like and if we want to show pictures of us enjoying ourselves, even (especially?) when we're stuck, then so be it. What's the point of a winch or other recovery gear? ..

I know it's a politically sensitive area, but so what? So bobbles might want to use the pics out of context, so what? All we need to do is counteract them with pics of what walkers do .. like the 'footpath' pics I took on Mam-Tor, Like the path to Snowden .. both supposed to be minimal width, but because so many walkers pass they're humongously wide, needing constant maintenance due to the walkers constantly NOT using the correct pathways ... EXACTLY what they level at us!!!

Bollocks to 'em, fight fire with fire .... I fully intend to not get stuck at every opportunity, but if I do I hope someone's there to picture it or video it .. and publish it!! At least we can have fun, have a laugh and take the **** out of each other instead of moaning into our cups of Cocoa gnashing our teeth and complaining about nothing much...

jamesmartin said:

goonarmy is just a knob

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You cant speak english so that puts me ahead of you again.

top-cat said:

Hi James, Is he a rambler?

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Hiker on occasion.