300 tdi in a series.

Usual thinking is use the clutch to match the gearbox, I suspect that will mean slave cylinder as well, but I'm sure someone can confirm that.

Yep fairly sure the original slave will be retained, the cylinder is on the 'box end, if any mods are required its gonna be on the release lever, I beleive thats required if your putting the 300 tdi into a deffy.

this thread is of great interest and im sorry if things im about to ask have been discused a million times but

does a 200tdi or 300tdi fit a series 2 with there own gearbox without major surgery ?

cutting and shuting a few mounts is not a prolem same as rebuilding things like transmition tunnel its all the other bits and pieces radiator, driveshaft things like that

or am i barking up a dead tree

I have not actually done it yet, however I have a 300tdi engine and a series without, all my research shows that yes you can.

200tdi fits the series a piece of wee without the turbo, no welding, no mount chopping or bulkhead mods, you can fit it straight in, if you want the turbo you can use a deffender turbo manifold (I think).

300tdi fits the series bellhousing ok, but the mounts do not fit, you can however grind the mounts of the donor disco and use them, the turbo does fit better on a 300, but you have to mess with the front to get the intercooler rad oilcooler in from the donor disco.

If your new to the game I'd advise a 200tdi without the turbo, its a weekends job for a enthusiast.

There are all sorts of other threads about this, do a search.

i only bought the land rover last night
it has got a 2.5tdi fitted with i beleave is the 200tdi would this be right ?

trouble is driving it back from brighton she got VERY smoky and knocky im worried the engine will never pass mot and to top it off the gearbox has so much backlash and whine its defaning in the cab

this is why im thinging new gearbox and engine

If you do replace then I'd put the same back.

The whine may well be that the box isnt really meant to take the power from the tdi and may have failed because of that, I believe the input shaft bearing is prone to going on the lt44.

The smoking issue I suspect is what I have seen before 'fingerpoking', ie a misadjusted pump, so long as it wasnt blue your engine may well be still ok, the knocking sound is a little more concerning, old disco engines are loud but not so bad, does this thing have an oil pressure guage?

does the tdi still have its turbo, if not then that could be why your smoking.

unless it was dirt cheap you could allways take it back and beat the guy round the head with it untill you get your cash back, or if it was an ebay job your sorted.

Ta.

it cost £1000 from ebay its a 1969 raf ambulance so im ure is worth more
i am more than happ with the purchase its not that just i hunger for more power and less noise as i know the wife wont get in if she cant hear herself think (mind you that could be a good thing)
so will a gearbox from a later defender fit the chassis ?

What's an LT44?

If you want more power and less noise, maybe you went down the wrong road with a landy, they were never meant to be quick or quiet.
Ambulances are cool though, I gave up looking for one and settled for a 109.

As for the lt44, maybe I dont know what I'm talking about, I thought the lt44 was the 'box used in the series.

And the defender box probably would fit your ambulance, if you do that though you'd spoil some of the series's charm, the yellow and red levers are one of its most remembered points.
If you replace the box for a deffy you'd be in for a lot of work, as you'd probably have to also swap the axles and drive shafts, which gives you an issue with the front suspension, you'd probably have to convert it to coil springs like the deffy.
better sticking with the 200 tdi, and original box, any more power than the 200 makes might shred the series box.

why change axles and suspension? You could run an lt77 and lt230 propshafts will need some thought and if the gearing is still too low fit 3.5 diffs i know it takes the charm outter the vehicle but its got to be lovable. Jai

Isnt there an issue using a lt77 and 230 with series axle's ?, didnt think you could run permanent 4 wheel drive with uj's on the front axle, as the disco has cv's.

What you could do if you were really insistant on it is get one of ashcroft's mod kits where the difflock control on the 230 becomes a 2wd/4wd selector as well, then it'd work.

Another possibility, ashcrofts also do a kit where you can fit an lt77 to a series transfer box, then you'd have the power handling of the lt77, a 5 speed box, and you'd keep the original 2wd/4wd and high low series controls.

The question of the need for CV joints with permanent 4wd is valid, but 20 years ago people were dropping the RR engine & box in Series motors with no front axle problems.

deffanatlly some thing to think about in the future for now im just gonne try and sort the engine thats in there

i know that it will never be quiet or quick but a bit more poweron the hills would be nice aswell as being able to talk to the person next to you

you might want to get your injectors tested, and if you dont mind spending a bit get the pump done too, that'll make a lot of difference, especially on a worn out engine.

Noise can be attacked by using sound proofing, you can get special stuff, or if your tight like me wander round the breakers and salvage some, isuzu troopers have nice large pieces you can re-use, stay clear of trannys, they use bin bags full of rockwool - crap.

Got the TDI, not as heavy as I invisaged, but what a fecking job picking it up, no lifting eyes and nowhere to put a sling without breaking something.

Well now have the 2 engines in the garage, the flywheel housing to gearbox looks the same on the 300tdi, just an extra stud.
Need to lower this thing into the bay now to see if theres room for it.
The turbo on the 300 being higher up will make things a lot easier, I think it might just go in, the injector pump on the other hand sticks well out and might be an issue.
The power steering pump needs some attention, maybe a shorter belt.
Heres some photos, one thing I found was that theres 4 holes on the engine that look like a mounting point and they are in the same postion as the petrol, dissapointment came when I looked at the other side, there only on one side.

spoke to my mate who is a master tech at a land rover dealer and asked him about a 300tdi with its 5 speed gearbox and he told me its an easy fit as he just did it a few weeks ago if the gearbox is fitted to the driveshafts and then the engine is just fitted where it fits
ok you gotta move the rad a bit and reshap the transmition tunnel but no big deal for somebody with a few skills

sounds like a plan to me

dont it need cv joints?

not that i know
he said he just sliped the gearbox onto the prop shafts and fix the mounts where they sit then drop the engine onto that and fix those mounts where ever they fit

Well did dome more today, had to do the usual bashing of the battery box, and I removed the flywheel and housing, then had to remove the extra reinforcing bits on the flywheel casing with the sawzall cause they wont fit, I remember some guy in sweden doing the same.
Been in and out a few times today, but not stayed in yet.
Still have mounts to make and weld.
I made some lifting eyes, good idea for anyone wanting to do this sort of thing, one is susbstantial angle, and t'other is the old series mount bashed.
The flywheel oil seal as you can see is diffo on the 300, it has its own casting and bolts.
Some photo's for anyone interested, you make it sound easy pob's, it isnt.