imob fault help please

[kaisermax]

Am i right in thinking a sync mate for a diesel is no good for a petrol i ask because i have sync mate but is for diesel. also don't know how far away you are.
i know when i purchased mine i'm sure had to get the right one either diesel or petrol? but may be wrong.

 

[Datatek]

Am i right in thinking a sync mate for a diesel is no good for a petrol i ask because i have sync mate but is for diesel. also don't know how far away you are.
i know when i purchased mine i'm sure had to get the right one either diesel or petrol? but may be wrong.

Diesel, Petrol Gems and Thor are all different

 

[Saint.V8]

There's no diagnostics on that will get you going.

Your vehicle don't need a sync-mate. It's not a sync problem.

Your vehicle is in a stage 2 security lockout. In simple terms, your becm has closed down, so to speak. No diagnostics on this planet will communicate with the becm on the vehicle.
You're only in aldershot, remove the becm & bring it to me in Brighton, or send it by courier, & then I'll can sort it out for you.

So how do you do it then? (without going into specifics...)

 

[Grrrrrr]

Sounds nasty. I'm all ears!

 

[Datatek]

So how do you do it then? (without going into specifics...)

Faultmate direct access module allows the BECM to be accessed regardless of the lockout state.

 

[Saint.V8]

Rick the Pick is a BeCM genius.....its what he does for a living....

I would have no question but to heed his advice.....

Can be done with a full fat Diagnostic device to unalarm the BeCM...

Faultmate direct access module allows the BECM to be accessed regardless of the lockout state.

So my answer above was indeed correct......but was shot down as being wrong!!

 

[Datatek]

So my answer above was indeed correct......but was shot down as being wrong!!

I think Rick is a little OTT sometimes I guess he's just guarding his position

 

[Saint.V8]

I think Rick is a little OTT sometimes I guess he's just guarding his position

I appreciate he is to protect his business as anyone would and I have no problem with that....the guy is a genius and has got many a member out of the sh!te, just thought the reply was a little harsh considering my answer was correct, and yet it was made to seem like I know Jack (which in certain circumstances is perfectly true!!)

 

[Rick-the-Pick]

You're correct. The direct access can access the becm, but not on the vehicle.
We have to strip the becm down & access the chips directly, Hence, this cannot be performed on the vehicle, or at the roadside for that matter, although some people try, including me in the past, but the risks involved just aren't worth the risk of the becm failing completely.

I've had this argument many times in the past, where people have managed to aquire the direct access software which allows them to access an alarmed becm & then they advertise as becm's unlockers & some even go as far as saying they can repair, when in fact, they can't no matter what they tell you, & a few chaps on this forum has experianced exactly this.
There's a few chaps who advertise on line as becm specialist's when in fact, these chaps used to come to my workshop, watch & ask a few questions, then before i know it, they're advertising themselves. I find it hilarious, until they come unstuck & receive demands for refunds, then they disappear.
As for parts, we've spent thousands over the years aquiring components. We have them all & now you can't buy these anymore. Our solder stations cost more than their vehicles. Our guarentees allow a scope that if we F**k up, we will supply a fully rebuit becm FOC, & that doesn't stop at the Becm's, we repair engine management ECU's also.

I've got no problem in protecting our business, no one can meet our standards & experiance, & there's not one other than can say they are indeed, Main Dealer recommended.

We give advice to anyone that asks, & if I haven't had to time to peruse the forums anyone is more than welcome to PM me if they need advice or help, but with Datatek & Saint around, there doesn't leave me much to comment on that has already been said.

Forgive me Saint if I come across abrupt sometimes. It certainly not mean't & in fact, on the contrary. I sometimes post without proof reading.
Everyday i get tons of emails regarding all problems on all Land rovers from all corners of the world, & because I deal mainly with garages, mostly with bad english speakers, I keep my answers very direct.

Anyway, that chap Armstrong who won 7 tour de frances while under the influence of drugs. I admire him. What a guy. If i take drugs I can't even find my bike!

 

[Datatek]

You're correct. The direct access can access the becm, but not on the vehicle.
We have to strip the becm down & access the chips directly, Hence, this cannot be performed on the vehicle, or at the roadside for that matter, although some people try, including me in the past, but the risks involved just aren't worth the risk of the becm failing completely.

I've had this argument many times in the past, where people have managed to aquire the direct access software which allows them to access an alarmed becm & then they advertise as becm's unlockers & some even go as far as saying they can repair, when in fact, they can't no matter what they tell you, & a few chaps on this forum has experianced exactly this.
There's a few chaps who advertise on line as becm specialist's when in fact, these chaps used to come to my workshop, watch & ask a few questions, then before i know it, they're advertising themselves. I find it hilarious, until they come unstuck & receive demands for refunds, then they disappear.
As for parts, we've spent thousands over the years aquiring components. We have them all & now you can't buy these anymore. Our solder stations cost more than their vehicles. Our guarentees allow a scope that if we F**k up, we will supply a fully rebuit becm FOC, & that doesn't stop at the Becm's, we repair engine management ECU's also.

I've got no problem in protecting our business, no one can meet our standards & experiance, & there's not one other than can say they are indeed, Main Dealer recommended.

We give advice to anyone that asks, & if I haven't had to time to peruse the forums anyone is more than welcome to PM me if they need advice or help

Exactly

 

[Saint.V8]

Cheers Rick, appreciate your reply. Didnt know it had to be removed from the vehicle, everyday is a school day.

Your service and reputation is second to none I hope you realise I wasnt having a pop at it at all.

I will always reccomend your services to those in need.

 

[Wazagadoo]

Hi folks,

In having similar issues. My P38 is in with a garage (supposed Land Rover specialist) to have the front hubs changed and a new head gasket, after having the car for nearly two weeks and a lot of very frustrating phone calls with the receptionist it turns out they can't start the car as the immobiliser won't let them.

Apparently their Landrover computer won't fix the problem and they are trying to tell me it's because of the lpg conversion confusing the ECU and they want to get an LPG guy out to look at it. The conversion was done 9 years ago and I've obviously had plenty of other work done to the car in that time and have never had any problem with the lpg before!

As I understand it the problem is with the BECM syncing to the ECU as they've had the battery off- is that correct?

Could it be the LPG system, or are they talking rubbish?

I don't know if they have tried the EKA code etc as I can't get any sense out of them.

I am going to visit the garage tomorrow (would have gone earlier but it's an hour away and they kept telling me it would be fixed tomorrow) so will know more then, but would like to be armed with a little knowledge.

Many thanks

 

[mozz smith]

they are talking absolute rubbish !!!!!!!! you say they had the battery off ,,,, there lies the problem , they are obviously not main dealer accredited ....
tell them to read the handbook ,the answers all in there ,,, ask them what diagnostics they have ??? im sure they wont have test book 4 !!!!! ,,,and finally they say that its an lpg fault ???????????? the mind boggles ,,, trust me they haven't a clue ,,,,ask them how many p38s they work on in last six months ????? what year is it and is it the 4.6 thor engine ????? cheers mozz ,,,,,

 

[Wazagadoo]

Thanks Mozz,

It's a 2001 4.0 V8.

It's quite a big garage with lots of land rovers of various models being worked on, but I agree they are useless!

All I know now is he said they had a £5000 LR computer that couldn't make it work.

I am going over there today to see if I can get some sense out of them and try the EKA code myself.

I will let you know how I get on.

Thanks

 

[Wazagadoo]

Update-

I went to the garage today and actually spoke with the mechanic, rather than the useless receptionist.

So apparently the BECM and ECU codes are all synced and it's not a problem with the immobiliser- although the car is still immobilised.

He said that they had issues with the LPG conversion and must have damaged the wiring which has caused the LPG ecu to shut down, and as the LPG ecu is wired on a loop with the RR Ecu it is stopping it working.

There is supposed to be an LPG guy coming out today or tomorrow to plug in a diagnostic computer to the LPG and get it working again.

I don't know anything about how the LPG is installed so for now just have to wait and see. If he sorts it then great, but it will be interesting when it comes to bill time as they have clearly caused the issue, but I very much doubt they will see it that way.

 

[Wazagadoo]

Right- they have now had my car for 5 weeks and cannot get it to start!

Apparently they have had an auto electrician out but he couldn't fix it.

I don't really know what to do now other than taking it somewhere else, but what do I do if that costs my a lot more than I was originally supposed to be paying these idiots?!

Can anyone recommend a good garage/auto electrician in the Northampton area?

 

[domino]

So they took your car in to replace the hubs and HG's. 5 weeks later, you still don't have your car back and they've clearly damaged something.

Is that about right?

 

[Wazagadoo]

Yes that's correct!

Now they are just saying I can take it away, but what if the cost of fixing it is significant?

They say it's not their fault and the have evidence (a video of the LPG wiring) that it's not their fault. They have accepted that the issue must be where they have disturbed the wiring, but I they never asked me before interfering with it and the car worked fine, LPG included, when o dropped it off!

 

[domino]

I wouldn't remove it - if you do that they can claim the problems started after you left.

 

[Saint.V8]

Whilst LPG does need to be spliced into the loom, in most cases this doesn't cause an issue, and if it did, a decent Auto-Sparky should be able to source and rectify in due course.

Whilst I know he is not in your area, I would drop a line to Rick-the-Pick on here (or his company Callrova based in Brighton) he may be able to suggest something!

Sounds like the garage haven't got a clue.....it is for them to sort in my mind, they caused the issue regardless of if it was an LPG fault or anything else.