Wrong oil in the transfer and gearbox.

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thebiglad said:
I have reread your post several times and looked at the sites you proposed and I'm still convinced that the only correct oil to go in an R380 gearbox is MTF94.

I checked the various search engines and none of them listed, to my satisfaction, UK market specs, Discovery TDi 300 specifically as opposed to a combo of 200 & 300, so no, I do not accept that I was wrong.

I have my opinion and and happy with it and it would appear that LR, the vehicle manufacturers, agree with my stand.

I have nothing more to add.
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thats fair enough big lad

however, the info on those sites only comes from Land Rover, the vehicle manufacturer. It's collected by a company called OATS and it's absolutely up to date and accurate.

i think the reason the 200 and 300 tdi's are listed together is that they are the same car and take the same spec and grade oil in most cases

lets face it, by the time people like me and you get their hands on a land rover the damage has already been done by the skin flint previous owners that haven't serviced it properly. Whether you go for MTF94 or ATF it will certainly be an improvement on what was in it.
 
pussyeater said:
thats fair enough big lad

however, the info on those sites only comes from Land Rover, the vehicle manufacturer. It's collected by a company called OATS and it's absolutely up to date and accurate.

i think the reason the 200 and 300 tdi's are listed together is that they are the same car and take the same spec and grade oil in most cases

lets face it, by the time people like me and you get their hands on a land rover the damage has already been done by the skin flint previous owners that haven't serviced it properly. Whether you go for MTF94 or ATF it will certainly be an improvement on what was in it.
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The fact that these sites don't know the difference between TDi 200/LT77 gearbox and TDi300 with R380 gearbox just goes to prove how little they care about getting their information correct, in my book !!

And if the info is so up to date, why is it that LR currently, not only reccomends but sells MTF94 for filling R380 gearboxes?

Your final point is the one I can absolutely agree with. Having just finished the gearbox oilchange on my wife's 300, emptying out old atf and replacing with, yes, MTF94, I can feel the vehicle positively purring with delight.

Cheers
Dave
 
I was always under the impression that its dexron II in the LT77 and the mtf94 in the R380.I've got dexron II in my transfer box though.
 
wreckhunter said:
I was always under the impression that its dexron II in the LT77 and the mtf94 in the R380.I've got dexron II in my transfer box though.
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That's a very lightweight oil for the transfer box - it is reccomended to be an EP-type oil of the viscosity 75/80w-90, the same as is used in the axles.
 
discool said:
O yes dave, :D that's for the TD5 manual and for the 200/300 manual guess what, the same oil.

I'm not going to trawl the other oil companies sites but they may or not have the same recommendations.

MTF94 is what you get if you buy Texeco's oil but I'm sure you know that. :D
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it says on castrol website

Manual Transmission SMX-S (k) 2.7 (f,g)

k. Manual Transmission, <MY 1994, TQ-D

f. Transfer box LT 230/230Q: 2.3 ltr, Syntrax Universal. Models prior to Jan 98, Syntrax Universal

g. Manual gearbox: R380 gearbox 1994 model year to Jan 98, 2.4 ltr / 2.9 ltr (without/with oil cooler), TQ-D

TQ-D is ATF oil

SMX-S is castrols MTF94 oil

so CharlesY is 100% MTF94 in his R380

but if you have an R380 box older that jan 1998 then ATF is the one

they do know the difference between the various gearboxes but you have to read the guide correctly
 
pussyeater said:
it says on castrol website

Manual Transmission SMX-S (k) 2.7 (f,g)

k. Manual Transmission, <MY 1994, TQ-D

f. Transfer box LT 230/230Q: 2.3 ltr, Syntrax Universal. Models prior to Jan 98, Syntrax Universal

g. Manual gearbox: R380 gearbox 1994 model year to Jan 98, 2.4 ltr / 2.9 ltr (without/with oil cooler), TQ-D

TQ-D is ATF oil

SMX-S is castrols MTF94 oil

so CharlesY is 100% MTF94 in his R380

but if you have an R380 box older that jan 1998 then ATF is the one

they do know the difference between the various gearboxes but you have to read the guide correctly
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I assure you that I am capable of reading quite well actually. I just don't accept everything I read on face value.

I believe that there is no material technical difference between the R380's from TDi300 through to Td5.

However, when TDi300 was first produced in 1994 there was no such thing as MTF94, so the only oil LR considered suitable was Dexron II.

So, I stand on the basis of:

LT77 DEXRON 11
R380 MTF 94

That's it for me. I'm not going to go into the intricacies of friction modifiers etc, my view is as above.

I thank you.
 
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