Which engine oil - 200tdi ?

I'm about to change the oil in my 200tdi Defender and would like some
advice on what brand / grade of oil people would recommend.

Also any engine treatments that people put in as well would be helpful.

Cheers,

Gavin.

On 20 Jul 2006 14:27:20 -0700, "Embo" <[email protected]> wrote:

>I'm about to change the oil in my 200tdi Defender and would like some
>advice on what brand / grade of oil people would recommend.
>
>Also any engine treatments that people put in as well would be helpful.

On a 200tdi, 'oil' is thought to be an engine treatment

Any fairly good general purpose 20w50 type stuff will do, unless you
have specific environmental circumstances, like very hot climate?

This engine is very tollerant of almost anything (and will run on
parafin mixed with engine oil, chip fat and any number of other
fuels). Change the filter twice as often as you change the oil and
you'll get 250K miles with ease on cheap engine oil.


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Embo wrote:
> I'm about to change the oil in my 200tdi Defender and would like some
> advice on what brand / grade of oil people would recommend.
>

The official advice from launch of the TDi was to use oil to a minimum of
the then current CCMC D5 which was the first SHPD oil. This rating is
equivilent to the current ACEA E2 but the better spec E3 is so much better
and so common these days that there is no excuse for using anything else.
The viscosity should be 10w/30 or 15w/40.
E3 is about equal to API CH4 so you can use any oil with any of these specs
with total confidence. Just any oil will not do. At the very least it must
be an oil suitable for diesel engines. Not all oils are by a long chalk.

Huw

Huw wrote:
> Embo wrote:
>> I'm about to change the oil in my 200tdi Defender and would like
>> some advice on what brand / grade of oil people would recommend.
>>
>
> The official advice from launch of the TDi was to use oil to a
> minimum of the then current CCMC D5 which was the first SHPD oil.
> This rating is equivilent to the current ACEA E2 but the better
> spec E3 is so much better and so common these days that there is no
> excuse for using anything else. The viscosity should be 10w/30 or
> 15w/40. E3 is about equal to API CH4 so you can use any oil with any of
> these specs with total confidence. Just any oil will not do. At the
> very least it must be an oil suitable for diesel engines. Not all
> oils are by a long chalk.
> Huw

Are you sure about that?



Nige

"Embo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I'm about to change the oil in my 200tdi Defender and would like some
> advice on what brand / grade of oil people would recommend.
>
> Also any engine treatments that people put in as well would be helpful.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gavin.
I buy mine from Unipart- fleet turbo diesel approved 15w40 around £27 per 5
gall drum (if you turn up in overalls)
Derek

>I buy mine from Unipart- fleet turbo diesel approved 15w40 around £27 per 5
>gall drum (if you turn up in overalls)
>Derek
>
Do you ever drive a Landrover in anything else?

Regards
Stephen

I am not sure of the situtaion in the UK, but here in South africa all
oils are defnintely not equal. Via a contact in Mobile I understand
that the diesel lube 700, is most commonly used by big trucks etc, and
is not prone to breaking down and loosing viscosity as time passes.

Agip, which I have always associated with Ferrari etc and would have
thought was pretty good, is actially blended in a very back-yard type
operation and whatever specs it carries are probably dubious at best.

This Huw fellow seems to know what he is on about and has good local
knowledge and I would follow his suggestions. Annecdotally, I
understand that the oils you use can have a huge influence on the
engine life and more particularly when you engine is subjeted to heavy
use, eg towing, high temps and high engine speeds.

Regards
Stephen

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:47:16 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
wrote:

>On 20 Jul 2006 14:27:20 -0700, "Embo" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I'm about to change the oil in my 200tdi Defender and would like some
>>advice on what brand / grade of oil people would recommend.
>>
>>Also any engine treatments that people put in as well would be helpful.
>
>On a 200tdi, 'oil' is thought to be an engine treatment
>
>Any fairly good general purpose 20w50 type stuff will do, unless you
>have specific environmental circumstances, like very hot climate?
>
>This engine is very tollerant of almost anything (and will run on
>parafin mixed with engine oil, chip fat and any number of other
>fuels). Change the filter twice as often as you change the oil and
>you'll get 250K miles with ease on cheap engine oil.

On or around Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:35:11 GMT, "Derek"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>"Embo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> I'm about to change the oil in my 200tdi Defender and would like some
>> advice on what brand / grade of oil people would recommend.
>>
>> Also any engine treatments that people put in as well would be helpful.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Gavin.
>I buy mine from Unipart- fleet turbo diesel approved 15w40 around £27 per 5
>gall drum (if you turn up in overalls)
>Derek
>

Mine have been running on Q8 tractor oil. Modern tractors are high-tec
these days, and the oil follows suit: 15:40 API CH4 and ACEA E3 from memory,
plus a raft of other standards. Main reason is the price: local agri
merchant sells it for about the same price as above, for a 25 litre drum.
The 3.5 V8 in the dicso didn't mind it in normal UK weather either, though
I'd have been a bit wary in the heat we've just had.
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On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 06:59:28 +0100, fanie <[email protected]> wrote:

> ...
> Annecdotally, I
> understand that the oils you use can have a huge influence on the
> engine life and more particularly when you engine is subjeted to heavy
> use, eg towing, high temps and high engine speeds.

As a metter of interest, I wonder what constitutes 'high engine speed' in
a Land Rover?

4000rpm? less? more?

--
William Tasso

Land Rover - 110 V8
Discovery - V8

In message <[email protected]>
"Embo" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I'm about to change the oil in my 200tdi Defender and would like some
> advice on what brand / grade of oil people would recommend.
>
> Also any engine treatments that people put in as well would be helpful.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gavin.
>

Anything between 10w/40 and 20w/50 will do - the actual "part number"
oil is 15w/40 for Europe, but personaly I go for 20w/50 (260,000 miles).
Avoid the very cheap supermarket oil (there's nothing wrong with it, it
just doesn't have the scrbbers etc in it that a Good Thing with
turbo diesels). There may be some merit in using an engine flush
before an oil change, but most modern oils already have the scrubbers
etc in.

We sell Morris Oil, because it's sensibly priced and good quality -
very poular amongst fleet operators in these parts. And it's made
in the UK.

Richard

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"Nige" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Huw wrote:
>> Embo wrote:
>>> I'm about to change the oil in my 200tdi Defender and would like
>>> some advice on what brand / grade of oil people would recommend.
>>>
>>
>> The official advice from launch of the TDi was to use oil to a
>> minimum of the then current CCMC D5 which was the first SHPD oil.
>> This rating is equivilent to the current ACEA E2 but the better
>> spec E3 is so much better and so common these days that there is no
>> excuse for using anything else. The viscosity should be 10w/30 or
>> 15w/40. E3 is about equal to API CH4 so you can use any oil with any of
>> these specs with total confidence. Just any oil will not do. At the
>> very least it must be an oil suitable for diesel engines. Not all
>> oils are by a long chalk.
>> Huw
>
> Are you sure about that?
>
>
>

Absolutely! I had Discovery built in the first six months of production in
1990.

Huw

beamendsltd wrote:
> We sell Morris Oil, because it's sensibly priced and good quality -
> very poular amongst fleet operators in these parts. And it's made
> in the UK.
....and tested on British test gear.
But to meet ACEA specs, all oil has to be tested on British test gear....

Steve
@ravenfield.com

On or around Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:15:30 +0100, "William Tasso"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 06:59:28 +0100, fanie <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> ...
>> Annecdotally, I
>> understand that the oils you use can have a huge influence on the
>> engine life and more particularly when you engine is subjeted to heavy
>> use, eg towing, high temps and high engine speeds.
>
>As a metter of interest, I wonder what constitutes 'high engine speed' in
>a Land Rover?
>
>4000rpm? less? more?

Tdi is tuned to 4500 max ISTR. You don't normally run 'em that fast though,
without ear defenders
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Thanks for the advice everyone, it is much appreciated.

On the subject of flushing the engine, I've never actually done
that.........what's involved ?

Gavin.

Derek wrote:
> I buy mine from Unipart- fleet turbo diesel approved 15w40 around £27 per 5
> gall drum (if you turn up in overalls)
> Derek

Derek,

Do you get it from one of their Car Care Centres, or is through a
bigger depot type place?

Cheers,

Gavin.

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 23:17:55 +0100, "Nige"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Are you sure about that?
>

I got a bit lost after about the 5th acronym

In message <[email protected]>
"Embo" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Thanks for the advice everyone, it is much appreciated.
>
> On the subject of flushing the engine, I've never actually done
> that.........what's involved ?
>
> Gavin.
>

It varies slightly from product to product, but basically you
pour some of it in, idle the engine for a while, then change
the oil as normal. According to the publicity photos, your
engine will then be geaming inside with not a trace of muck
anywhere ;-)

Richard
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On Friday, in article <ea43f5494e%[email protected]>
[email protected] "beamendsltd" wrote:

> In message <[email protected]>
> "Embo" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> > Thanks for the advice everyone, it is much appreciated.
> >
> > On the subject of flushing the engine, I've never actually done
> > that.........what's involved ?
> >
> > Gavin.
> >
>
> It varies slightly from product to product, but basically you
> pour some of it in, idle the engine for a while, then change
> the oil as normal. According to the publicity photos, your
> engine will then be geaming inside with not a trace of muck
> anywhere ;-)

My father will tell you the story of what happened when detergent oils
were first being used in lorry engines, rather expensive and only for
new engines, A drum vanished from a haulage yard, and a couple of weeks
later one of the local wide boys was looking for a new engine for his
car--not a trace of dirt, but obviously the oil-pressure warning switch
had stuck. Oil level correct, oil pump working, but the light had stayed
on....

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Embo wrote:

> Derek wrote:
>
>>I buy mine from Unipart- fleet turbo diesel approved 15w40 around £27 per 5
>>gall drum (if you turn up in overalls)
>>Derek
>
> Derek,
>
> Do you get it from one of their Car Care Centres, or is through a
> bigger depot type place?
>
> Cheers,
> Gavin.

Partco

"Tom Woods" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 23:17:55 +0100, "Nige"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Are you sure about that?
>>
>
> I got a bit lost after about the 5th acronym
>

Hmm. They are not really acronyms. They are the names of the Standards set
for oil performance. API is the American Petroleum Institute while ACEA is
something like European Engine Constructers Agency or similar, in French of
course. The codes are the actual standard names or in the case of Mercedes
the sheet or page numbers where the standard is detailed.

In the TDi case, I happen to know that a lesser oil than ACEA E2 is fine but
not for 6000 miles of use. Again I have to emphasise that any oil used
should have an appropriate diesel rating or standard.

Huw