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welding gas cylinders.. rental charges dodge.

Discussion in 'Common Faults and Questions' started by johnboyairey, Jan 22, 2011.

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  1. johnboyairey

    johnboyairey New Member

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    hi, i hope i'm posting this info in the correct section.

    if you have a land rover, then you will need to weld it one day, and anyone that has a MIG welder or oxy acetylene kit will know that you have to have an account with a firm like BOC to use their cylinders. Trouble is, when yuo have got your MOT, you would like to keep the cylinder and its gas for another day, but you have to return it to save the yearly rental price. typically £70 per year mig gas and 2x £70 for oxygen acetylene etc. -much more for giant sized cylinders. For the DIY man this is too much money. However, as some people are aware of friends that have accounts they often 'come by' a spare cylinder and change them on friends accounts. or they use two bottles on one rental price. this is known as the 2 bottle shuffle.
    What people should know, is that if you had already got an empty bottle of any size for that type of gas you require,
    YOU CAN TAKE IT TO HSS HIRE (LARGE DEPOTS) AND EXCHANGE A BOC CYLINDER THERE WITHOUT A BOC ACCOUNT! yes, you could buy from an auction site, an old tiny oxygen BOC cylinder -though the well know auction site forbids these cylinders being sold. but they do come up every now and then. So, anyway, take you odd sized bottles, that are WAY out of date, and -ring up HSS hire and enquire about availability of your required cylinder size, (only larger gas holding depots) if they dont have it, that will get it! and drop in and change it for a full one. this is because they hire out gas/mig/tig equipment and customers, they use up the gas etc. i did exactly this, WITHOUT any equipment hire, or even any account or hiring history. i swapped two tiny bottles for two super sized (W+F, 5ft and fat 4ft tall) oxy acetylene bottles. and did an 'argoshield light' X for a Y. (fat 3ft) although the narrow X cylinder I gave in was an old nitrogen bottle with a grey body, (they do nitrogen too) and i got a Y sized argoshield light. and you dont pay the usual BOC transaction charge either! -let me say that this works, and is not confined to a lucky branch. i found this out on a welding forum, and used this VERY useful tip.
    It should be noted, that you will never own a BOC cylinder, it is the property of BOC as stamped on the neck. But you might look after it for a price, for as long as you like. please observe all safety precautions handling and using any welding bottles etc.

    oxygen w sized £20 (smaller ones, are only about £2 less!)
    acetylene f sized, (about £50) though only 5% vat!
    argoshield light Y sized, £45ish -all from memory (in 2011)
     
  2. crazymac

    crazymac Active Member

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    Also very useful to know are these guys

    :: Adams Gas ::

    They do 9litre welding gas on a NO MONTHLY RENT basis. You pay an initial £50 but after that just for each fill up.

    They also have various agents around the country, I know I have one local to me so once my garage is build then i'll be getting one.
     
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    Anyone know if this still works please?
     
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    pressbrake Well-Known Member Forum Sponsor

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    boc bottles are bar coded now , so no
     
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    Thin_trucker Active Member

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    Bummer, wish I'd got 'round to that sooner then!
     
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    i just got a bottle of co2 pub gas for 12 quid no rental just 12 quid and 12 refill anytime
     
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    acetylene bottles are now tagged and bar coded so go to account holders only
     
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    great heads up thanks
     
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    Just got a price from a fire extinguisher company. £90 for bottle one off and £20 a refill.
     
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    I use parflo engineering supplies in Altrincham, Cheshire. They fill my own pub gas size bottle with argosheild for £14.
     
  13. johnboyairey

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    it still works, just did my O+A and a mates argo. however, HSS dont hold large stocks now, (that much) so you will have to ask them to get it in for you. but i bet the popular size argo' y and w are possibly 'in stock. i guess they arent the super cheapest, but the bottles are not that hard to get.
     
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    Any one know if this still works got a size w argon nearly empty
    What's the cost ?
     
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    Many of the motor factors are doing rent free bottles we useTMS
     
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    probably wasn't around in 2011 ;)
     
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    Quite likely
     
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    I use hobby gas. Around £100 for a full bottle then 30 a refill
     
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    For welding, anything less than 50ltr isn't going to last very long at all
     
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    I get my TIG (100% Argon) from 2 places. Local is Senator Welding Supplies in Thurrock my 10L bottle, and UK gas in Liverpool for my 20L Bottle.
    Both are services where you pay a refundable deposit on the bottle and just the refill charge. And no, they don't last long.
     
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