Trailing and ALRC clubs

Ref recent discussions

I like the ALRC regs why..........

Just look at Unlimited clubs and the money spent been there done that was putting at the time a tidy 90 up against old Suzuki based wrecks that didn't mind bouncing off trees with a v8 and updated everything diff lockers and the like.


Agree as been said they should allow people to play however maybe run a completely separate class never to be amalgamated into current classes even at low turn out as it's simply unfair.

Yea I have to agree a separate class for people who wish to modify of even spend 1000's would be good, I'm sure it would improve the numbers, half the fun is in the modifying part!

As you know I am working on this and talking to the clubs at the mo, club committees move slow so it is taking a while to get feed back from them. Most clubs feel the need to increase the membership and completive entries so they need to think.
When you go to the big Land Rover shows you can see what the Land Rover enthusiast are doing and without getting into specifics just yet I think the clubs should reflect on this and try and provide some entertainment for these guys, we're all LR enthusiast after all.

Aha, found the thread Jai

My feelings too Owl.

I love the family and comeraderie of the ALRC clubs, the Nationals are hard to beat for a great socialising weekend, meeting folk from all the other clubs. I know many faces (rarely remember the names) but it does seem to be the SAME old faces and their offspring coming up.

Personally as I already mentioned too many newbies to the Land Rover world are put off the ALRC clubs when they attend an event and are told that they have to remove half of their modifications to comply with regs or go elsewhere.

Simple, they just go elsewhere.

Years ago I watched a rift develop in the YROC, which saw it rip appart into YLROC (the old club) and the Yorkshire Offroad Club.

The former is still ticking along but the latter goes from strength to strength and I have good friends in both.

The only downside I have seen is that sometimes the RTVs or equivallent can appear a bit more extreme in the none alrc clubs, i.e. more damaging having witnessed BHCLRC and Anglian ROC trials. Not a problem for me, but some still prefer the concept of a non damaging trial as originally specified by the ARC years ago.

I also not that in my experience of the Yorhshire and Anglian clubs the non ALRC websites are much more professional and vibrant than the old clubs.

KillaJoules said:

My feelings too Owl.

I love the family and comeraderie of the ALRC clubs, the Nationals are hard to beat for a great socialising weekend, meeting folk from all the other clubs. I know many faces (rarely remember the names) but it does seem to be the SAME old faces and their offspring coming up.

Personally as I already mentioned too many newbies to the Land Rover world are put off the ALRC clubs when they attend an event and are told that they have to remove half of their modifications to comply with regs or go elsewhere.

Simple, they just go elsewhere.

Years ago I watched a rift develop in the YROC, which saw it rip appart into YLROC (the old club) and the Yorkshire Offroad Club.

The former is still ticking along but the latter goes from strength to strength and I have good friends in both.

The only downside I have seen is that sometimes the RTVs or equivallent can appear a bit more extreme in the none alrc clubs, i.e. more damaging having witnessed BHCLRC and Anglian ROC trials. Not a problem for me, but some still prefer the concept of a non damaging trial as originally specified by the ARC years ago.

I also not that in my experience of the Yorhshire and Anglian clubs the non ALRC websites are much more professional and vibrant than the old clubs.

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How you feel is the sort of feed back I get whenever I talk to club members and yes there are many clubs that are offshoots of ARC clubs and hopefully if all goes well we can get some of them back

We have at some RTV's let modified (outside the rules) motors in and they havn't beaten the seasoned trialers in the "legal" motors as you know preping a motor for trialing is different as other aspects come into play and experience plays a big part so we say let them in and lets all have fun.

quite a few have expressed the view that RTV trials are too damaging and I think they have a point, I don't think RTV's should be easy and yes you may break a halfshaft or diff but thats life offroading a Land Rover but they should draw the line at body damage, if you want a more serious challenge enter CCV, I used to CCV my road motor and drove to and from events.

Yes nationals are great as you say but bank holiday events used to be BIG as well, I used too CoC the comp at Eckington and you couldn't get an entry without booking two months in advance I had to get 3 night runs in between 9 and 12pm it was buzzing, same with the trial.
There are loads of 100" Tomcats and other Land Rover based vehicles out there the owners of which don't know what to do with them as they aren't competitive in AWDC or BCCC, we could have them enter with us and perhaps we can see fully booked events again.

So thanks for your thoughts and watch this space as they say.

Owl,

Do 100 inch bowlers have a chance of being recognised by the alrc? As they were at somepoint built with LR concent/logos and entered the Dakar under LR or so I thought.

On a side note opening up different classes should allow more entries. We all know foot and mouth the couple of recessions have taken their toll on the days where you would get rtv's fully booked in advance. The internet and cheap parts have also played their part with non compliant ALRC motors. Aswell as Forums like ours that tell the noobie they *Need* a suspension lift, 37 inch tyres lockers and the like.

I like many was brought up with AWDC opposed to the ALRC due to the Anal nature of the ALRC rule book. That nature has been relaxed alot but it has a long way to go. Now I'm alightly older I realise the rules of the ALRC are indeed very good. If a tad restrictive for noobies. The AWDC is mega bucks now. They were never cheap! Comp safari events are £130 entry fee which is probably the best part of £600+ per event plus comp vehicle prep.

Another thing that was weird. When the course gets rough and some of the faster cars were getting stuck the AWDC forum had some complaints that it was too rough and somebody held up a faster car and all hell would break loose and people pull out. I read snippets of that and that was the end of anything comp safari to do with the AWDC in my mind. Isnt that called racing?

Personally I think the ALRC could really become something really amazing if its allowed to proceed with *some* carefully thought out changes. We all know they are looking into things and most things take a few years to chance.

There are so many ways the rules can change,

Even current regs as they stand with a *modified SWB and Modified LWB class. Open diffs. Wheelbase must be at the LR its representing. I.e main body type is LR then it can be a wheelbase of 80-86-88-90-110-130 etc bobtail etc all comply. If its based on a RRC or disco bodied vehicle then 100 or 108 inches are allowed. That would allow all the bobtailed cut abouts with lifed suspension and body mods to play although in their own classes. Aslong as saftey regs are met fuel tanks bulkheads ect then they can play.

Above is not ideal nor is it what I want at all its another take.

Today has been a disaster. not done any work on the trialer and the 90's propshaft UJ needs to be sorted. I think I'm sold on losing my 900 tyres for a decent set of AT 33 inch measured height or maybe some diamonds (however road milage and towing its a shame to use diamonds) Finding it hard to find 33 measured tyres. Open to suggestions.

Gearing calculator works out that the 90's 1:1003 tranny box and 4.7 diffs with 33 inch tyres isnt too bad.....yet to fit and try tho as its quite high geared at the moment especially for dragging my old heavy trailer and trials motor up to Gramtham!

HI, I have just got back from a trip to Paris to deliver two pups and bring one dog and one pup back so worn out now, had to make a few coffee stops on the way back.

We will have to wait and see what people want from the ALRC but as you say keeping cost down is a important factor but not so much that the vehicles aren't exciting to compete in or watch.
It is very early days yet and our project isn't ALRC sanctioned but if things go well it should have an influence.
This thread is a bit previous really as we need to get over a few hurdles before going public.

I thought it would be good to get idea's I know yourself and others are working on regs.

Thats some drive to Paris!!

You can take dogs on the train to the tunnel and on the train to Paris from the other side but not on Eurostar through the tunnel so I drove to Frethun train station then nipped to Paris on the TGV which is a speedy thing.

No don't worry Ideas are welcome I just want to give the clubs first shout.

OK Jai, just to let you know I have booked in for the Nationals this morning.

Will be going up the Saturday before to help set out the RTV, apparently the ALRC were stunned by the number of CVLRC volunteers :tea:

Its going to be a tight spot to fit 13 sections in and especially 150 motors and competitors, not to mention trying to supply enough spectator space. but they say the land is extremely solid with plenty of grip. Though I unterstand you were there too on the 8th

Where are they going to locate the Team recovery?

Cool!!!

Yea it's like sold rocks under the top layer of mud. Where you are laying out the RTV sections to the right the team recovery will be in the valley/end between sides of the quarry I think ccv will be left opposite side to the RTV.

Will catch up at the pub meet if your going as we are going up the weekend before to help layout and know where each section is going to be.

Planning to be at pub. Mummy burger.