Towing Question

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martin1512 said:
Depends on if you are using them for breakdown recovery or transporting a vehicle. If you are recovering a broken down vehicle, then the same rules apply as if you are towing with a straight bar. If you are using them to transport a vehicle that has not broken down, then the A frame, and the vehicle it is attached to is classed as a trailer, and must comply with all regs concerning trailers, i.e lighting, brakes and weight restrictions.
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Exactly this for an a frame, I have used it to transport stripped beetles which then come under a 750kg unbanked, over this if you want to transport a vehicle you need to have a brake away attached to the mechanical brakes and an active braking system fitted, you can use a light board for either setups.

As fot towing,In the case of a landrover because it has a MGw of 3499kg you can tow a maximum of a 750KG trailer without a trailer license, unless your an old fit that is:rolleyes:
 
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Jongould said:
Exactly this for an a frame, I have used it to transport stripped beetles which then come under a 750kg unbanked, over this if you want to transport a vehicle you need to have a brake away attached to the mechanical brakes and an active braking system fitted, you can use a light board for either setups.
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How do you reverse this setup.????

Cos if it int got autotreversing brakes

Oh and if it hasn't got a method of preventing the drawing arm from dropping onto the road.

then it int a trailer and it int legal
 
Jongould said:
Exactly this for an a frame, I have used it to transport stripped beetles which then come under a 750kg unbanked, over this if you want to transport a vehicle you need to have a brake away attached to the mechanical brakes and an active braking system fitted, you can use a light board for either setups.
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although if you're A-framing a vehicle, i.e if its wheels are on the queen's highway it must comply with all the rules still - valid MOT, tax and insurance

at what point does a stripped vehicle cease to be a vehicle and can become a trailer? or is it down to if it has a VIN number/registration perhaps?
 
Jay reKx said:
although if you're A-framing a vehicle, i.e if its wheels are on the queen's highway it must comply with all the rules still - valid MOT, tax and insurance

at what point does a stripped vehicle cease to be a vehicle and can become a trailer? or is it down to if it has a VIN number/registration perhaps?
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if was a car it is a car that's how the law works.
 
Jongould said:
Exactly this for an a frame, I have used it to transport stripped beetles which then come under a 750kg unbanked, over this if you want to transport a vehicle you need to have a brake away attached to the mechanical brakes and an active braking system fitted, you can use a light board for either setups.

As fot towing,In the case of a landrover because it has a MGw of 3499kg you can tow a maximum of a 750KG trailer without a trailer license, unless your an old fit that is:rolleyes:
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Not many Land Rovers have a GVW of 3500kg. AFAIK only the 130 inch models have this GVW. All the others are between 2700kg and 3200kg.
 
redhand said:
if was a car it is a car that's how the law works.
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how do these boys get away with it then? :suspicious:

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the first 2 aint british, so our rules dont count.
some places trailers are registered independantly of the towing vehicle.

as for A-frames, they are ok for recovery, if not the towed vehicle then becomes a trailer and must be modifed so the aframe operates brakes on the towed vehicle,

cos i aint writing all this out...
 
and for towing dollys/unbraked wheeled aframes

"The law regards this as an unbraked trailer and you are allowed to tow up to 750 kg Gross Trailer Weight, not a car?s kerb weight. The figure you have to use is the car?s Gross Vehicle Weight or Maximum Permitted Weight. This is usually at least 300 - 400 kg more than the kerb weight. We have no knowledge of any car sold in the UK that has a GVW under 750 kg. The only vehicle we know that is completely legal to tow with an A-frame is the French Aixam small "car". This is a full four seater and details can be obtained from Aixam UK on 01926 886100. An A-frame or dolly can only be used to recover a broken down vehicle to a place of safety. Transporting a car is, therefore, illegal. A-frames may be offered with a braking system that applies the car's brakes. These do not conform to the law as the car then becomes a "braked trailer" and has to conform to European Directives contained within the Construction and Use Regulations. It does not conform to the European Directive 71/320/EEC and amendments regarding braking requirements in any way. The use of this A-frame for transportation is illegal. It is still OK for use to recover a vehicle to a place of safety."
 
redhand said:
How do you reverse this setup.????

Cos if it int got autotreversing brakes

Oh and if it hasn't got a method of preventing the drawing arm from dropping onto the road.

then it int a trailer and it int legal
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True, it needs reversing brakes, I didnt go into the exact details before, I just put braking systems and mechanical brakes as it was quicker to write and covered the basics...

Jay reKx said:
although if you're A-framing a vehicle, i.e if its wheels are on the queen's highway it must comply with all the rules still - valid MOT, tax and insurance

at what point does a stripped vehicle cease to be a vehicle and can become a trailer? or is it down to if it has a VIN number/registration perhaps?
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The point you decide to say its a trailer, there are no regulations at current on trailers below 750KG, there doesnt say anywhere that it needs to be a welded construction, has to have this many wheels or that many whatever else. I did ask VOSA what the rules where and if it was legal and the response I got was 'if we weighed it and it was under 750KG then it would be fine'. Alot of trailers are home built, they are not all what I would called road worthy but they are legal (obviously tyres, hitch e.t.c. still have to be legal on their own merits)

martin1512 said:
Not many Land Rovers have a GVW of 3500kg. AFAIK only the 130 inch models have this GVW. All the others are between 2700kg and 3200kg.
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My 90 has a GVW of 3499KG on the log book, my Disco was only about 3200 I think...
 
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Jongould said:
True, it needs reversing brakes, I didnt go into the exact details before, I just put braking systems and mechanical brakes as it was quicker to write and covered the basics...



The point you decide to say its a trailer, there are no regulations at current on trailers below 750KG, there doesnt say anywhere that it needs to be a welded construction, has to have this many wheels or that many whatever else. I did ask VOSA what the rules where and if it was legal and the response I got was 'if we weighed it and it was under 750KG then it would be fine'. Alot of trailers are home built, they are not all what I would called road worthy but they are legal (obviously tyres, hitch e.t.c. still have to be legal on their own merits)



My 90 has a GVW of 3499KG on the log book, my Disco was only about 3200 I think...
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I think your log book has been incorrectly filled in. My 110 has a GVW of 2940. The 90 has a kerb weight of about 1700-1800kg so I think a 1700-1800kg payload is a bit optimistic for a 90.;)
 
martin1512 said:
Not many Land Rovers have a GVW of 3500kg. AFAIK only the 130 inch models have this GVW. All the others are between 2700kg and 3200kg.
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martin1512 said:
I think your log book has been incorrectly filled in. My 110 has a GVW of 2940. The 90 has a kerb weight of about 1700-1800kg so I think a 1700-1800kg payload is a bit optimistic for a 90.;)
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I think you will find its nearer 2000KG depending on year/spec, they are definitly 3499KG GVW and they are now a class 7 vehicle...
 
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LR90 Gross vehicle weight 2400Kgs, Without overrun brakes max 750kgs with overrun brakes your allowed 1100Kgs to make it a max of 3.5 all up with no B+E entitlement.

Thats why a 110 is worse than a 90 unless you have a B+E because your mam or max kerb weight is higher therefore your left with less all up train weight allowed without B+E.
 
jai_landrover said:
LR90 Gross vehicle weight 2400Kgs, Without overrun brakes max 750kgs with overrun brakes your allowed 1100Kgs to make it a max of 3.5 all up with no B+E entitlement.

Thats why a 110 is worse than a 90 unless you have a B+E because your mam or max kerb weight is higher therefore your left with less all up train weight allowed without B+E.
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GVW for a 90 is 3499KG

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Jongould said:
Yep, pretty much all landrovers are now class 7 MOT, some places still class them as dual purpose which was a little get out claus when class 4 went down to 3000KG but I think VOSA want that stopped now...
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TBH, the log book is pretty irrelevant as far as weights go. The only one that matters legally is the ULW and GVW that is stamped on the VIN plate. If the weights on the log book are different to the plated weights, the weights stamped on the VIN plate are what matter.
 
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