Superwinch tiddler

arc · Jan 2, 2010

In order to get on with disco conversion I need to get defender out of garage.
But sadly defender now has no engine & garage/drive is on a (6 degree ish) downward slope.

Therefore feeling the need for some form of winch to lower defender out and pull tdi engine (on crane) up into garage. Then pull defender back up afterwards.

Choice is either:
Clarke hoist (240v) rated at 400kg on first line doubled back.

or
Superwinch LT2000 (12v) rated at 907kg on first line double backed.

Seeing as the Superwinch wouldn't be on an alternator powered vehicle it'd be on a 'leisure' battery or two. Any suggestions as to what'd be the better buy?
Neither are particularly powerful but the clarke isn't going to be at all mobile and the Superwinch may well drain batteries too quickly. SW could I suppose be more useful later on???

Any experience / suggestions?

Sean · Jan 2, 2010

pully/hook attached to your garage roof (or on a scaffold tripod)

rope attached to your disco bumper - via the pully to lift/drop engines - or direct to the depender chassis for moving it

keep it cheap and simple

Sean · Jan 2, 2010

and if you want to pull stuff into the garage concrete in a 20mm anchor - attach a snatch block to it so you can drive outwards to pull gear inwards

Shifty1962 · Jan 2, 2010

Sean said:
and if you want to pull stuff into the garage concrete in a 20mm anchor - attach a snatch block to it so you can drive outwards to pull gear inwards

Exactly the set up I have in my garage. I concreted into the floor 2 foot of of an old skip lifting chain leaving the lifting eye loose so it lays flat on the floor when not in use. It was used to secure my motorbike against theives. I have an old snatch block attached to one of the roof joists for lifting and can use the anchor accordingly.

Pikey · Jan 2, 2010

or get one of those cheap wire rope pulleys off Ebay, **** for recovery etc but great for dragging a dead motor into the garage and getting engines out afterwards.

Sean · Jan 2, 2010

Shifty1962 said:
Exactly the set up I have in my garage. I concreted into the floor 2 foot of of an old skip lifting chain leaving the lifting eye loose so it lays flat on the floor when not in use. It was used to secure my motorbike against theives. I have an old snatch block attached to one of the roof joists for lifting and can use the anchor accordingly.

i do wonder how some peeps logic systems work

so they need something lifting/shifting - rather than pondering the task and then having a root around their junk stash they reach for a Machine Mart cat and start drolling over the shiny things

keep it simple

gegs88 · Jan 2, 2010

arc said:
In order to get on with disco conversion I need to get defender out of garage.
But sadly defender now has no engine & garage/drive is on a (6 degree ish) downward slope.

Therefore feeling the need for some form of winch to lower defender out and pull tdi engine (on crane) up into garage. Then pull defender back up afterwards.

Choice is either:
Clarke hoist (240v) rated at 400kg on first line doubled back.

or
Superwinch LT2000 (12v) rated at 907kg on first line double backed.

Seeing as the Superwinch wouldn't be on an alternator powered vehicle it'd be on a 'leisure' battery or two. Any suggestions as to what'd be the better buy?
Neither are particularly powerful but the clarke isn't going to be at all mobile and the Superwinch may well drain batteries too quickly. SW could I suppose be more useful later on???

Any experience / suggestions?

the clark hoist is a rebadged chinese import and they are ****, aldi or lidl were selling em at £20 a pop ffs. the ropes are made of chocolate and if you do get to near the swl the smell of melting resin in the motor housing is fantastic, when it does go wrong ( after you have tried it) you go to repair it and a-the rope cost's more than the winch b-the stators are not worth rewinding and b- the rotors are made from the same **** as the rope

have been out to a few of these where companies have bought em coz they are cheap, longest lasting one was 4 days but the operator was off for 3 of em

90truckcab · Jan 2, 2010

Sean said:
i do wonder how some peeps logic systems work

so they need something lifting/shifting - rather than pondering the task and then having a root around their junk stash they reach for a Machine Mart cat and start drolling over the shiny things

keep it simple

yup, i have done it, juts round a lamp post or what ever, then like yer say , pull away to pull it in .

have seen those wire rope pillers for £30 , they int too bad, iv trashed one completely but it wer under rated so i got a 5 tonne and its been fine

90truckcab · Jan 2, 2010

gegs88 said:
the clark hoist is a rebadged chinese import and they are ****, aldi or lidl were selling em at £20 a pop ffs. the ropes are made of chocolate and if you do get to near the swl the smell of melting resin in the motor housing is fantastic, when it does go wrong ( after you have tried it) you go to repair it and a-the rope cost's more than the winch b-the stators are not worth rewinding and b- the rotors are made from the same **** as the rope
have been out to a few of these where companies have bought em coz they are cheap, longest lasting one was 4 days but the operator was off for 3 of em

i remember a customer of mine saying the exact same, it couldnt lift awt on a single line, so yer double it up and strain the motor, yer cant win, he offered it me for doing me ser2a but i turned down the generous offer , after spending all that money building an engine , i dunt trust it on a £30 winch

hughesy · Jan 2, 2010

I've got a hand winch off a boat trailer mounted on a little frame so it can be anchored to anything solid anywhere. Along with me engine crane it's one of the most useful bits of kit I've got. Came from a boot sale for a fiver iirc.

arc · Jan 2, 2010

Sean said:
i do wonder how some peeps logic systems work

so they need something lifting/shifting - rather than pondering the task and then having a root around their junk stash they reach for a Machine Mart cat and start drolling over the shiny things

keep it simple

Thanks for suggestions so far.

But to answer your above point: to use disco to counterbalance rolling defender out of garage it would put the disco out beyond the middle of the road when commencing and still out into the junction when in final position.

And besides, I can't use the disco to shift things because the disco (mid process) going to have no engine!

Garage roof joists are not good for lifting from. Previous owner / iffy builder who built the extension did a crap job of tying them to the side house. They have subsequently been supported with an RSJ based on S.E.'s calculations but I'm still not keen on point loading them any further - especially when it'd only give a static raising / lowering point.

Scaffolding gantry / tripod sounds useful but not exactly much out there to help do it safely. In terms of 'root around their junk stash', I have one secondhand tow rope given to me by the fella that sold me a compressor. That is it. Nothing else! Not much to work with is it?!

Have thought through most of the given suggestions but its not always as simple as first thought! Hence the above questions.

Clarke isn't getting much support here. Any comments re the superwinch kit?

arc · Jan 2, 2010

hughesy said:
I've got a hand winch off a boat trailer mounted on a little frame so it can be anchored to anything solid anywhere. Along with me engine crane it's one of the most useful bits of kit I've got. Came from a boot sale for a fiver iirc.

That was my original plan - nothing turned up this summer at my boot sales!

Wasn't sure cheap hand winches did controlled lowering too? And the worm gear types I've seen cost more than either of these two electrical ones.

EDIT - eBay does throw up winches like THIS for about the £10 to £15 mark - I'm just not sure I could trust my neighbour's parked cars on something so blatently 'cheapo'.

diver · Jan 2, 2010

arc said:
That was my original plan - nothing turned up this summer at my boot sales!

Wasn't sure cheap hand winches did controlled lowering too? And the worm gear types I've seen cost more than either of these two electrical ones.

EDIT - eBay does throw up winches like THIS for about the £10 to £15 mark - I'm just not sure I could trust my neighbour's parked cars on something so blatently 'cheapo'.

I sell trailer winches for boats and a reasonable quality 1200lb winch will be about £25-£30 without the strap/wire. The cheap ones will strip the ratchet which you will find out about when you let go of the handle under load.
To get the car back in the garage I would chem-set a ring bolt into the garage floor at the back. You can then use a snatch block and a rope and another vehicle. Even for 2 ton landy, a normal saloon car will pull it in. Just make sure you keep the wheels chocked for safety and use ROPE. Not washing line. I would use at least 12mm rope

ratty · Jan 2, 2010

I have a small 2000lb rated superwinch that I have used a couple of times for emergency recovery purposes. I have it bolted to a drop plate for my dixon and bate. If it can pull a jeep cherokee out of mud, I'm pretty sure it'll be fine pulling a rolling vehicle on tarmac. The secret is to use a double, triple or even quadruple line pull. This is acheived using snatch (pulley) blocks. You just need to make sure you have good strong anchor points to attatch too.

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