Speed limit on some unusual vehicles please

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Looking at several vehicles would I be correct on V5
over 2 tons gross and registered as car or estate =60mph A road/70 on a motorway.

Registered as a Van or PLG and van related it's 50mph on A road and 60mph on duel carriageway and 70mph on a motorway.

What would a Hummer,large mpv(upto 7 passenger seats) or Hearse or Dorchester limo be as it's not a van or mini bus?
 
Looking at several vehicles would I be correct on V5
over 2 tons gross and registered as car or estate =60mph A road/70 on a motorway.

Registered as a Van or PLG and van related it's 50mph on A road and 60mph on duel carriageway and 70mph on a motorway.

What would a Hummer,large mpv(upto 7 passenger seats) or Hearse or Dorchester limo be as it's not a van or mini bus?

under 2 tons surely ?
 
Not sure, for instance we are looking at a Daimler as well to do up comparing that to my csw at 1850kg(registered as an estate) it's got to be close as it's as big as a whale.

Really as the V5 doesn't have any weights and the sellers don't seem to know of a rating plate-rather not get nicked for speeding but I'm guessing gvw of over 2000kg.

Really what I'm trying to get to is
If it is registered as a car/estate or plg and hasn't got more than 7 passenger seats=60mph national/70 duel carriage way? ie it is not a mini bus/van?
 
only reason I said under 2 tons is my freelander commercial is plated at 2050kg, which means for speed limits it's rated as a van, and therefore subject to the lower limits.
 
What makes me question this is
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070304
Note the speed limit for "Cars & motorcycles
(including car-derived vans up to 2 tonnes maximum laden weight)"

The wording covers all cars ie there is no weight limit difference stated, only restriction note is car derived vans ie vauxhaul combo,206 van etc.
http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/speedmanagement/vanspeedlimits
There is no section for eg Range Rover which would be estate car (mine listed as)
Clarification of national speed limits for vans

"It is very important for drivers to bear in mind that vans (and all goods vehicles not exceeding 7.5 tonnes) are subject to lower national speed limits than cars on both single and dual carriageway roads.

Whilst a car may travel at up to 60 mph on single carriageways and 70 mph on dual carriageways vans are only allowed to travel up to 50 mph on single carriageway roads and 60 mph on dual carriageway roads.

[Remember that the speed limits quoted here are national limits, a lower speed limit will apply in built up areas and on many local roads. Where a lower speed limit is signed you must comply with those lower limits]."
Also as I read it a car for instance my 110 csw registered as estate would be 60mph
But a 110 or 130 van would be 50mph.

Possibly picking up a limo, so if it's registered as a car and not a van is it car speeds?

explicitly I'm looking for the "all vehicles over 2000KG GVW limited to 50mph on an A road and 60mph on duel carriage way or a maximum gross unladen weight
 
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Yes but it's derived from the Gaylander car and therefore is a car derived van and therefore exempt.

have to disagree, the table quoted in the first link quotes this for car/car derived van:

" Cars & motorcycles
(including car-derived vans up to 2 tonnes maximum laden weight)"

however, as the freelander commercial is plated at 2050 kg, it exceeds the 2 tonnes maximum laden weight specifed, and is therefore classified as:

"Goods vehicles
(not exceeding 7.5 tonnes maximum laden weight)"
 
have to disagree, the table quoted in the first link quotes this for car/car derived van:

" Cars & motorcycles
(including car-derived vans up to 2 tonnes maximum laden weight)"

however, as the freelander commercial is plated at 2050 kg, it exceeds the 2 tonnes maximum laden weight specifed, and is therefore classified as:

"Goods vehicles
(not exceeding 7.5 tonnes maximum laden weight)"

Just have it replated to 1999kg. problem solved.
 
speed limits are the same until u get past 7.5 ton or towing a trailer

Ermm I don't think so.

Taken from the Gov's website..

Clarification of national speed limits for vans

It is very important for drivers to bear in mind that vans (and all goods vehicles not exceeding 7.5 tonnes) are subject to lower national speed limits than cars on both single and dual carriageway roads.
Whilst a car may travel at up to 60 mph on single carriageways and 70 mph on dual carriageways vans are only allowed to travel up to 50 mph on single carriageway roads and 60 mph on dual carriageway roads.
[Remember that the speed limits quoted here are national limits, a lower speed limit will apply in built up areas and on many local roads. Where a lower speed limit is signed you must comply with those lower limits].
Q. Where do these different speed limits for vans come from?

A. The national speed limits are set out in Schedule 6 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act of 1984 and they are summarised in regulation 124 of the Sept 2007 version of the Highway Code.
Q. Why should vans have lower speed limits than cars when they now have modern advanced braking systems like cars?

A. The main reason for these lower speed limits is that goods vehicles are designed to be able to carry heavier loads and when laden they will tend to take longer to slow down than a car travelling at the same speed.
Q. Why are the speed limits different when very often cars & vans are in the same tax class for DVLA registration purposes?

A. Some people make the mistake of thinking that if a van is in the same tax or registration class as a car then it is subject to the same speed limits. However the two issues are unrelated and they are governed by different legislation. National speed limits are set out in the 1984 legislation are based on the possible load capacities of the vehicle and whether or not it is used for carrying passengers.
Q. Are there any exemptions from these lower speed limits for vans?

A. There is one (small) group of vans which have the same speed limits are cars by virtue of the definitions in Schedule 6 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act of 1984. These are vans that are both derived from a car chassis and also have a maximum laden weight of no more than 2 tonnes. This means that the weight of the vehicle and the payload it is designed to be able to carry when added together do not exceed 2 tonnes. The van design must be a derivative of a car body, it is not sufficient that it looks similar to a particular car.
Q. Which vans meet the criteria to be considered car derived vans for speed limit purposes?

A. Very few vans will meet the criteria to benefit from the same speed limits as a car. Those that do are likely to be similar to a Ford Fiesta van ,Vauxhall Corsa or Renault Clio van in having maximum payloads of around 500kgs so that when combined with the weight of the vehicle unladen (normally around 1.4 tonnes) the maximum laden weight of the whole vehicle will not exceed 2 tonnes.
What this means is that vans such as the Ford Transit and (and of course the larger panel vans) will not meet the definition of car derived vans set out set out in part IV section 2 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984. Therefore these vehicles will be subject to speed limits of 50mph on single carriageways and 60 mph on dual carriageways.
Q. When did these rules come in and shouldn't they be changed now?

A. These speed limit rules have been in place for well over 20 years and there are no plans to change these limits to allow vans to be driven at higher speeds because ministers remain to be convinced that it would be safe to do so.
Q. Do these speed limits apply if the van is travelling without a load?

A. The national speed limits apply to the vehicle type and it makes no difference whether the vehicle at a particular time is fully loaded, partially loaded or travelling without a load.
Q. If my van is fitted with a speed limiter then it can't do more than 56 mph anyway so why should I worry about these speed limits?

A. The only non HGV goods vehicles that are required to have a speed limiter are those which were registered after 30th September 2001 and have a gross design weight of over 3.5 tonnes. Therefore most vans will not be fitted with a limiter. In any case on particular local roads the speed limits may be lower than these national ones. It is vital to keep within the speed limits specified on road signs and also to vary your vehicle's speed according to the prevailing weather or traffic conditions.
 
u must b right then if its off a gov website

i was tought on my car test, 7.5t lessons, and 2 hgv tests that it was only 7.5t upwards that had different speed limits, am gonna find out why i was tought this wen am back in work tomorrow. i must have speeded loads wen hiring vans then.
 
A Hummer would probably be classed as a "Dual Purpose Vehicle" as to the speed limit that could depend on the cabin trim level when it left the factory.

A Range Rover is allowed to do 70 mph because its classed as Dual Purpose Vehicle, but being as there is no officially built commercial vehicle version, theres plenty of custom coach built versions including commercial versions but not built by Land Rover.
 
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