SIIA 69' Gearbox

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Joakim Soya

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My Main Gearbox has no Fillinghole on top.
The Brass Nut just in front of the cover with ventilation hole for the
transferbox, covers a spring for loading the 3-4 gear selector ball.

I filled oil thru the levelcheck hole on the side of the main box.
But why is there no "filler" hole on the top, is it an old gearbox ??

Regards
Joaim Soya.



 
In message <[email protected]>
"Joakim Soya" <[email protected]> wrote:

> My Main Gearbox has no Fillinghole on top.
> The Brass Nut just in front of the cover with ventilation hole for the
> transferbox, covers a spring for loading the 3-4 gear selector ball.
>
> I filled oil thru the levelcheck hole on the side of the main box.
> But why is there no "filler" hole on the top, is it an old gearbox ??
>
> Regards
> Joaim Soya.
>
>
>


No! Thats the way you are supposed to do it (apart from very early
boxes, which had a filler).

Richard

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Joakim Soya wrote:

> My Main Gearbox has no Fillinghole on top.
> The Brass Nut just in front of the cover with ventilation hole for the
> transferbox, covers a spring for loading the 3-4 gear selector ball.
>
> I filled oil thru the levelcheck hole on the side of the main box.
> But why is there no "filler" hole on the top, is it an old gearbox ??
>
> Regards
> Joaim Soya.


No, it is because it is NOT an early gearbox. Landrover gearboxes, in common
with most gearboxes designed in the thirties and forties, had a filler and
dipstick, being designed for filling and checking with no special
equipment. Very early in Landrover production a level/filler plug was added
to make it easier to service using the pumps that were becoming usual in
garage workshops, and by the time that the Series 2a was introduced this
had become so much the usual practice that the top filler and dipstick were
discontinued. It is intended that the level be checked and oil added via
the side level plug using a pump, either a manual pump on a 20l drum or a
larger setup. You can get a syringe to allow oil to be transferred from a
one or five liter container to the gearbox (or transfer case or diff or
swivel)
JD
 
There is a major oil leak from the output shaft side of the gearbox fitted
to my S2a. I am told that there is NO oil seal there. When the vehicle is
parked nose down it will leak! Is this true? If so, is there anything that I
can do about it? Last bugger to "fix" the leak, did so successfully, when I
checked the oil level he had drained it all out, leaving about half a
litre!!

SS

"JD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Joakim Soya wrote:
>
>> My Main Gearbox has no Fillinghole on top.
>> The Brass Nut just in front of the cover with ventilation hole for the
>> transferbox, covers a spring for loading the 3-4 gear selector ball.
>>
>> I filled oil thru the levelcheck hole on the side of the main box.
>> But why is there no "filler" hole on the top, is it an old gearbox ??
>>
>> Regards
>> Joaim Soya.

>
> No, it is because it is NOT an early gearbox. Landrover gearboxes, in
> common
> with most gearboxes designed in the thirties and forties, had a filler and
> dipstick, being designed for filling and checking with no special
> equipment. Very early in Landrover production a level/filler plug was
> added
> to make it easier to service using the pumps that were becoming usual in
> garage workshops, and by the time that the Series 2a was introduced this
> had become so much the usual practice that the top filler and dipstick
> were
> discontinued. It is intended that the level be checked and oil added via
> the side level plug using a pump, either a manual pump on a 20l drum or a
> larger setup. You can get a syringe to allow oil to be transferred from a
> one or five liter container to the gearbox (or transfer case or diff or
> swivel)
> JD



 
On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:43:19 +0200, "Landynut"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>There is a major oil leak from the output shaft side of the gearbox fitted
>to my S2a. I am told that there is NO oil seal there. When the vehicle is
>parked nose down it will leak! Is this true? If so, is there anything that I
>can do about it? Last bugger to "fix" the leak, did so successfully, when I
>checked the oil level he had drained it all out, leaving about half a
>litre!!
>


I'm not quite sure where you're referring to, but the only place
Series gearboxes seem to leak from reguraly is around the drain plugs
and the xfer case bottom cover. All joints in the gearbox either have
paper (or cork on earlier covers) gaskets, and both output
shafts/drive flanges front and rear have lip oil seals. It shouldn't
leak that much, but they do have a tendancy to drip oil despite best
efforts.

Alex
 

> When the vehicle is
> parked nose down it will leak! Is this true? If so, is there anything that

I
> can do about it?
>

Park nose up?

> Last bugger to "fix" the leak, did so successfully, when I
> checked the oil level he had drained it all out, leaving about half a
> litre!!
>

But I bet it didn't leak anymore!


 
Landynut wrote:

> There is a major oil leak from the output shaft side of the gearbox fitted
> to my S2a. I am told that there is NO oil seal there. When the vehicle is
> parked nose down it will leak! Is this true? If so, is there anything that
> I can do about it? Last bugger to "fix" the leak, did so successfully,
> when I checked the oil level he had drained it all out, leaving about half
> a litre!!
>


I assume you are talking about the output for the front prop shaft. This, in
common with all the shaft input and outputs on the gearbox does have a
seal. It is easily replaced, but if the output flange is worn where the
seal runs, it may need to be replaced as well.
JD
 

"Alex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:43:19 +0200, "Landynut"


>
> I'm not quite sure where you're referring to,


Oops, it is the INPUT shaft that I was referring to! Just looked in the
manual, it shows a rather interesting technique for removing the input
shaft. Does this have an oil seal? If not what would cause my vehicle's bell
housing to spew out so much EP90? maybe the oil seal at the end of the lay
shaft?

SS


 

"SimonJ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>

> Park nose up?


This method is quite sucessful, thanks. Problem is that I would like to
drive the car from time to time. Another snag is my preference for bumps
slightly larger than those at the local shopping mall, although the odd
Nissan Mikra has been known to provide some amusement :)

>>

> But I bet it didn't leak anymore!


Bloody right about that! Good thing the mechie spotted it.


 
Landynut wrote:

>
> "Alex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:43:19 +0200, "Landynut"

>
>>
>> I'm not quite sure where you're referring to,

>
> Oops, it is the INPUT shaft that I was referring to! Just looked in the
> manual, it shows a rather interesting technique for removing the input
> shaft. Does this have an oil seal? If not what would cause my vehicle's
> bell housing to spew out so much EP90? maybe the oil seal at the end of
> the lay shaft?
>
> SS

According to my manual, the most likely cause for your oil leak is the seal
on the clutch release shaft, which is lower than the input shaft. There is
no seal on the input shaft, just an "oil scroll" which can also let oil
through if it is damaged, although it is hard to see how it could get
damaged. Looks as if it is gearbox out time, although you can probably move
it back enough to see what the problem is without actually lifting it out.
JD
 

"JD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> .........., although it is hard to see how it could get
> damaged. Looks as if it is gearbox out time, although you can probably
> move
> it back enough to see what the problem is without actually lifting it out.



Thanks JD, recall that the same peanut that last worked on this box, is the
one who "drained" the oil to cure the leak! I will strip this box myself,
even though it may take a year, at least I'll know wtf is going on.
Just collected 10L of the Shell equivalent to EP90, now I just need to knock
down the rear wall of my garage, so I can get some cars round the back -
then the games begin!

SS


 
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"Landynut" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> recall that the same peanut that last worked on this box, is the one who
> "drained" the oil to cure the leak


looking at it from a more objective point of view, the guy who "cured" it
could have taken it for a "test drive" [hahaha screech!], then cleaned the
'box, taken it for a brief test drive, discovered hey presto no oil leaking!
"Just bill him for 1 hour" :eek:) Understandable, although not necessarily
forgiveable! That is the lottery of garages who aren't a solid
recommendation.


 
There is indeed no seal for the primary pinion, just a return scroll -
either the gearbox was overfilled (you've established this is not the case)
or the clutch release mechanism housing gasket has failed. No need to strip
the box, just remove the box & replace the gasket & clutch release shaft oil
seal that are located in the bell housing, then drop it back in again.

K


"Landynut" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
There is a major oil leak from the output shaft side of the gearbox fitted
to my S2a. I am told that there is NO oil seal there. When the vehicle is
parked nose down it will leak! Is this true? If so, is there anything that I
can do about it? Last bugger to "fix" the leak, did so successfully, when I
checked the oil level he had drained it all out, leaving about half a
litre!!

SS

"JD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Joakim Soya wrote:
>
>> My Main Gearbox has no Fillinghole on top.
>> The Brass Nut just in front of the cover with ventilation hole for the
>> transferbox, covers a spring for loading the 3-4 gear selector ball.
>>
>> I filled oil thru the levelcheck hole on the side of the main box.
>> But why is there no "filler" hole on the top, is it an old gearbox ??
>>
>> Regards
>> Joaim Soya.

>
> No, it is because it is NOT an early gearbox. Landrover gearboxes, in
> common
> with most gearboxes designed in the thirties and forties, had a filler and
> dipstick, being designed for filling and checking with no special
> equipment. Very early in Landrover production a level/filler plug was
> added
> to make it easier to service using the pumps that were becoming usual in
> garage workshops, and by the time that the Series 2a was introduced this
> had become so much the usual practice that the top filler and dipstick
> were
> discontinued. It is intended that the level be checked and oil added via
> the side level plug using a pump, either a manual pump on a 20l drum or a
> larger setup. You can get a syringe to allow oil to be transferred from a
> one or five liter container to the gearbox (or transfer case or diff or
> swivel)
> JD




 
OK, I took the box out today, the bell housing / clutch assembly was caked
in mud:-(
I had the not so smart idea of rinsing it out with the hose pipe before
separating it from the engine. When I finally got the box onto the floor
water started pouring out where the spigot / input shaft comes out!! There
is a fair amount of lateral play on the output shaft, is this normal or is
something horrible worn in there? No grindy noises though.
My next move is to open the box & get a good look if there are any gremlins
hiding in there.

Regards
Sean




"Karen Gallagher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> There is indeed no seal for the primary pinion, just a return scroll -
> either the gearbox was overfilled (you've established this is not the
> case)
> or the clutch release mechanism housing gasket has failed. No need to
> strip
> the box, just remove the box & replace the gasket & clutch release shaft
> oil
> seal that are located in the bell housing, then drop it back in again.
>
> K
>
>
> "Landynut" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> There is a major oil leak from the output shaft side of the gearbox fitted
> to my S2a. I am told that there is NO oil seal there. When the vehicle is
> parked nose down it will leak! Is this true? If so, is there anything that
> I
> can do about it? Last bugger to "fix" the leak, did so successfully, when
> I
> checked the oil level he had drained it all out, leaving about half a
> litre!!
>
> SS
>
> "JD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Joakim Soya wrote:
>>
>>> My Main Gearbox has no Fillinghole on top.
>>> The Brass Nut just in front of the cover with ventilation hole for the
>>> transferbox, covers a spring for loading the 3-4 gear selector ball.
>>>
>>> I filled oil thru the levelcheck hole on the side of the main box.
>>> But why is there no "filler" hole on the top, is it an old gearbox ??
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Joaim Soya.

>>
>> No, it is because it is NOT an early gearbox. Landrover gearboxes, in
>> common
>> with most gearboxes designed in the thirties and forties, had a filler
>> and
>> dipstick, being designed for filling and checking with no special
>> equipment. Very early in Landrover production a level/filler plug was
>> added
>> to make it easier to service using the pumps that were becoming usual in
>> garage workshops, and by the time that the Series 2a was introduced this
>> had become so much the usual practice that the top filler and dipstick
>> were
>> discontinued. It is intended that the level be checked and oil added via
>> the side level plug using a pump, either a manual pump on a 20l drum or a
>> larger setup. You can get a syringe to allow oil to be transferred from
>> a
>> one or five liter container to the gearbox (or transfer case or diff or
>> swivel)
>> JD

>
>
>



 

"Landynut" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
OK, I took the box out today, the bell housing / clutch assembly was caked
in mud:-(
I had the not so smart idea of rinsing it out with the hose pipe before
separating it from the engine. When I finally got the box onto the floor
water started pouring out where the spigot / input shaft comes out!! There
is a fair amount of lateral play on the output shaft, is this normal or is
something horrible worn in there? No grindy noises though.
My next move is to open the box & get a good look if there are any gremlins
hiding in there.

Regards
Sean




"Karen Gallagher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> There is indeed no seal for the primary pinion, just a return scroll -
> either the gearbox was overfilled (you've established this is not the
> case)
> or the clutch release mechanism housing gasket has failed. No need to
> strip
> the box, just remove the box & replace the gasket & clutch release shaft
> oil
> seal that are located in the bell housing, then drop it back in again.
>
> K
>
>
> "Landynut" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> There is a major oil leak from the output shaft side of the gearbox fitted
> to my S2a. I am told that there is NO oil seal there. When the vehicle is
> parked nose down it will leak! Is this true? If so, is there anything that
> I
> can do about it? Last bugger to "fix" the leak, did so successfully, when
> I
> checked the oil level he had drained it all out, leaving about half a
> litre!!
>
> SS
>
> "JD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Joakim Soya wrote:
>>
>>> My Main Gearbox has no Fillinghole on top.
>>> The Brass Nut just in front of the cover with ventilation hole for the
>>> transferbox, covers a spring for loading the 3-4 gear selector ball.
>>>
>>> I filled oil thru the levelcheck hole on the side of the main box.
>>> But why is there no "filler" hole on the top, is it an old gearbox ??
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Joaim Soya.

>>
>> No, it is because it is NOT an early gearbox. Landrover gearboxes, in
>> common
>> with most gearboxes designed in the thirties and forties, had a filler
>> and
>> dipstick, being designed for filling and checking with no special
>> equipment. Very early in Landrover production a level/filler plug was
>> added
>> to make it easier to service using the pumps that were becoming usual in
>> garage workshops, and by the time that the Series 2a was introduced this
>> had become so much the usual practice that the top filler and dipstick
>> were
>> discontinued. It is intended that the level be checked and oil added via
>> the side level plug using a pump, either a manual pump on a 20l drum or a
>> larger setup. You can get a syringe to allow oil to be transferred from
>> a
>> one or five liter container to the gearbox (or transfer case or diff or
>> swivel)
>> JD

>
>
>

No, that's normal - the primary pinion (the shaft you're looking at) is
currently only supported at the rear, as you have separated it from the
flywheel. In the middle of the flywheel is the front bearing, a phosphor
bronze bush that's a light press fit into the middle of the flywheel. While
your in there make sure it's not too worn, though it gets little wear as
most of it's life it's not doing any work (only when the clutch is
depressed)

What you're most likely to have, IMHO is a gasket leak in the clutch release
housing, you do not have to remove the bellhousing to change that. There
really is not much else that can cause a leak of gear oil into the bell
housing, unless you're in the habit of driving downhill at a gradient
sufficient (30° or so) to make the oil pour down the primary pinion. This
can, and does, happen and the solution is to bring the vehicle back to
level. Oil will continue to come out the flywheel drain hole for days
afterwards as it can be thick by then, as well as muddy.

Also, in your case, I'd change the gear oil as you may well have water in
it.

K


 
No, that's normal - the primary pinion (the shaft you're looking at) is
currently only supported at the rear, as you have separated it from the
flywheel. In the middle of the flywheel is the front bearing, a phosphor
bronze bush that's a light press fit into the middle of the flywheel. While
your in there make sure it's not too worn, though it gets little wear as
most of it's life it's not doing any work (only when the clutch is
depressed)

What you're most likely to have, IMHO is a gasket leak in the clutch release
housing, you do not have to remove the bellhousing to change that. There
really is not much else that can cause a leak of gear oil into the bell
housing, unless you're in the habit of driving downhill at a gradient
sufficient (30° or so) to make the oil pour down the primary pinion. This
can, and does, happen and the solution is to bring the vehicle back to
level. Oil will continue to come out the flywheel drain hole for days
afterwards as it can be thick by then, as well as muddy.

Also, in your case, I'd change the gear oil as you may well have water in
it.

K

"Landynut" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
OK, I took the box out today, the bell housing / clutch assembly was caked
in mud:-(
I had the not so smart idea of rinsing it out with the hose pipe before
separating it from the engine. When I finally got the box onto the floor
water started pouring out where the spigot / input shaft comes out!! There
is a fair amount of lateral play on the output shaft, is this normal or is
something horrible worn in there? No grindy noises though.
My next move is to open the box & get a good look if there are any gremlins
hiding in there.

Regards
Sean




"Karen Gallagher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> There is indeed no seal for the primary pinion, just a return scroll -
> either the gearbox was overfilled (you've established this is not the
> case)
> or the clutch release mechanism housing gasket has failed. No need to
> strip
> the box, just remove the box & replace the gasket & clutch release shaft
> oil
> seal that are located in the bell housing, then drop it back in again.
>
> K
>
>
> "Landynut" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> There is a major oil leak from the output shaft side of the gearbox fitted
> to my S2a. I am told that there is NO oil seal there. When the vehicle is
> parked nose down it will leak! Is this true? If so, is there anything that
> I
> can do about it? Last bugger to "fix" the leak, did so successfully, when
> I
> checked the oil level he had drained it all out, leaving about half a
> litre!!
>
> SS
>
> "JD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Joakim Soya wrote:
>>
>>> My Main Gearbox has no Fillinghole on top.
>>> The Brass Nut just in front of the cover with ventilation hole for the
>>> transferbox, covers a spring for loading the 3-4 gear selector ball.
>>>
>>> I filled oil thru the levelcheck hole on the side of the main box.
>>> But why is there no "filler" hole on the top, is it an old gearbox ??
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Joaim Soya.

>>
>> No, it is because it is NOT an early gearbox. Landrover gearboxes, in
>> common
>> with most gearboxes designed in the thirties and forties, had a filler
>> and
>> dipstick, being designed for filling and checking with no special
>> equipment. Very early in Landrover production a level/filler plug was
>> added
>> to make it easier to service using the pumps that were becoming usual in
>> garage workshops, and by the time that the Series 2a was introduced this
>> had become so much the usual practice that the top filler and dipstick
>> were
>> discontinued. It is intended that the level be checked and oil added via
>> the side level plug using a pump, either a manual pump on a 20l drum or a
>> larger setup. You can get a syringe to allow oil to be transferred from
>> a
>> one or five liter container to the gearbox (or transfer case or diff or
>> swivel)
>> JD

>
>
>




 

"Karen Gallagher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> What you're most likely to have, IMHO is a gasket leak in the clutch
> release
> housing, you do not have to remove the bellhousing to change that. There
> really is not much else that can cause a leak of gear oil into the bell
> housing, unless you're in the habit of driving downhill at a gradient
> sufficient (30° or so) to make the oil pour down the primary pinion.


Maybe this is the problem:)
The vehicle is not used as a pavement hopper.

SS


 
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