*sigh* It gets worse...

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Whats with the powernapping?

I hear all around of people getting great benefit from a quick 20min nap.
Some roadhouses are gonna open 30 mins quiet rooms for a doze.

Thing is , if i doze for 20 mins when i awake i cannot function at all.
I wake up feeling like death. Maybee im the odd one out but a just cant do
powernaps as my brain goes to sleep then i cant drive back at all.

Im a coffee, nicoteen and windows down kinda wakeup.



 
Austin Shackles typed:
> On or around Thu, 22 Jul 2004 07:40:13 +0100, "Paul - xxx"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>> They did this with one of my cars a few years ago .. used a break-back
>> torque wrench, it broke correctly, and they then turned it another 1/4
>> turn .. Why ?
>
> did you ask 'em?

Nope .. but I will next time.

> I do my disco ones up to 100 lb-ft, and they've never come loose yet. In
> fact, since my torque wrench is old, they're probably less than that.
> Really must stop leaving it set for high torques...

Heheheh, yeah, tired springs don't just affect old Landies .. ;)

At a certain level, something like above 75 lb-ft, a nut the size of a LR
wheel nut shouldn't come undone, in normal tightening circumstances, anyway.
[1] The frictional forces are enough to overcome any 'un-doing' forces from
use. The reason they specify above 100lb-ft is to make sure that all
seating faces are as flat and 'together' as they can be, but also so that an
owner may also change the wheel material (Steels for Alloy and vice-versa
for example) and still use the same torque number to tighten them ... and to
cover their arses if a problem _does_ arise. The safety factor is a _big_
thing in these days of rampant litigation.

(I know this 'cos in my previous work (I'm now a school caretaker) I was a
Torque Control Engineer working for Georges Renault and helped design, build
and program the production line tooling that assembles the newer models
brake/hub/driveshaft/axle/suspension assemblies .. so did a ****-load of
testing on wheel and hub torque combinations for LR)


--
Paul ...

(8(|) ... Homer Rocks


 
On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:29:44 +0100, "Paul - xxx"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>At a certain level, something like above 75 lb-ft, a nut the size of a LR
>wheel nut shouldn't come undone,

I think the quality of the thread - on the stud and nut can make a big
difference. Overtightening can damage (sometimes strip) the thread.
Tim Hobbs can also make a few observations about nuts coming loose!

I always used to put a little dab of Tipex where the nut met the rim.
This was I could easily tell if the nut had moved. Don't bother with
mine on Grumble now as constant checking demonstrated that they tend
to stay exactly where I'd tightened them!

I also got a Makita 24V cordless impact drive a few years ago -
without which my Quarterly 'taking the sodding wheels off to brush the
brake drums out" exercise would be a right PITA.


--
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from: http://links.solis.co.uk/Geek/X4_Land_Rover/
I also have a little Land Rover site biased toward
my beloved 101 "Grumble", at: http://www.101fc.net


Reading this in 'alt.fan.landrover'? Did you know
there's a group FAQ: http://www.aflfaq.dyndns.info
 
Larry wrote:

> I had a tyre replaced at National tyres, they asked me what the torque
> setting was and actually used a wrench to finish the job off :)
>
I tend to use the same place for having tyres done, and the ONLY time they
use the correct torque setting is when it's on a commercial vehicle, as
VI/VOSA could come down on them heavier than for a private vehicle :(
 
Jason Hall of [email protected] stated on Thursday 29 Jul 2004 14:23
in alt.fan.landrover:

> Whats with the powernapping?
>
> I hear all around of people getting great benefit from a quick 20min nap.
> Some roadhouses are gonna open 30 mins quiet rooms for a doze.
>
> Thing is , if i doze for 20 mins when i awake i cannot function at all.
> I wake up feeling like death. Maybee im the odd one out but a just cant
> do powernaps as my brain goes to sleep then i cant drive back at all.
>
> Im a coffee, nicoteen and windows down kinda wakeup.

For some people they can stay awake for a very long time without sleep,
however I like a lot of drivers I know need sleep, and usually at least
every 15-20 hours!

If I'm driving more than 3 hours, or setting off before 5am I'll factor in
extra break stops. Powernapping does work for me, 20 minutes after driving
for 2hrs really helps.

HGV drivers by law need to take a 45 minute break every 4.5 hours, but they
can be split up but the smallest amount of time per break is 15 minutes.
Whilst I don't drive on Tachos nor need to stick to the above driving rules
(as I drive plant/crane vehicles, rather than goods vehicles) I still need
rest from being behind the wheel.

Of course, if I've been driving 5 hours to get to a job for 8 in the morning
I'll plan to get their earlier a, to miss most the traffic and b, have a
nap before starting work. Lazy git aren't I :)

Elwyn

 
Mother" <"@ {mother} @ typed:
> On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:29:44 +0100, "Paul - xxx"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> At a certain level, something like above 75 lb-ft, a nut the size of a LR
>> wheel nut shouldn't come undone,
>
> I think the quality of the thread - on the stud and nut can make a big
> difference. Overtightening can damage (sometimes strip) the thread.
> Tim Hobbs can also make a few observations about nuts coming loose!

Ho yuss .. hence why I said 'shouldn't' .. ;)

> I always used to put a little dab of Tipex where the nut met the rim.

Yeah, something I've done on most vehicles I have for years, 'specially the
bikes .. I once had a swingarm bolt come loose during a trial. No great
problem at the slow speeds, but my thoughts were related to me blasting
about on a H1 500 Kawasaki too .. Though there are many who'd say that you
couldn't tell if a H1's swinging arm was loose or not anyway .. ;)

--
Paul ...

(8(|) ... Homer Rocks


 
In <[email protected]> Judith wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:52:10 +0100, hugh <hugh@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
>
>>My local independent is excellent an all thing Land Rover - EXCEPT
>>that they too will insist on tightening the nuts on my alloys so
>>bloody tight I can barely shift them. Set to correct toque they are
>>quite easily removed.
>
> Hm? A few people have now mentioned that "professionals" over-tighten
> wheel nuts. Do you reckon I'd get funny looks if I went round to kwik
> fit (for example) and asked them to correctly loosen/re-tighten my
> wheel nuts? There's no way I can shift the nuts myself at the moment
> but, as you say, they're removable when correctly torqued.
>
> All I really need is a gorilla with a compressed air wheel-nut-remover
> to get them off. I can put them back on (properly) by myself!

I've done this before now at my local National Tyres place. They did all
4 wheels in a couple of minutes - I had snapped 2 half inch extensions
and split a socket before giving up.

They didn't charge me for the job either :)

cheers

Dave W.
http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/
 
Lee_D wrote:
> "Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:15:53 +0100, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Not really they have to have a plausible story...
>>>
>>>In fact they are very well versed in spouting the same story without
>>>hesitating, the true test is if they like your dog when he's not
>>>confined.
>>
>>Possibly I guess. I felt a tad sorry for him actually - was almost as
>>if he were embarrassed. He made a fuss of Max and didn't offer to
>>resurface my drive...
>>
>
>
> Meanwhile his mucker was trying to work out the best way to syphon LPG
> without cracking his lips.....
>
>
>
> Lee D
>
>
LOL
Terry
 
On or around Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:00:17 +0100, "Paul - xxx"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles typed:
>
>> My disco did a fair job of towing 'tother disco back from Bala, too,
>> albeit not very fast - but I was towing a bit over 3 tons, altogether,
>> and the road's a bit hilly in places.
>
>And a bit twisty turny, stoppy starty as well ... ;)

yeah, and narrow. some amusing reactions from idiots in little cars,
suddenly realising that they need to actually drive on the bit of road less
than 2ft from the edge, on account of sod-off trailer approaching 'em.
Dunno what they do if they meet a lorry, which is the same width. *and* I
didn't actually hit any stone walls, although it came close a couple of
times. I trust the following traffic was duly impressed by my driving
ability, with the trailer sides missing the stone wall by about 2" and the
oncoming vans etc by about 6".

that really is a tight road, in places. dunno what happens when you get 2
artics in opposite directions.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"Nessun maggior dolore che ricordarsi del tempo felice nella miseria"
- Dante Alighieri (1265 - 1321) from Divina Commedia 'Inferno'
 
Austin Shackles typed:

> that really is a tight road, in places. dunno what happens when you get 2
> artics in opposite directions.

Pray ... or invoke an SEP .. ;)

--
Paul ...

(8(|) ... Homer Rocks


 
Reminds me of my old Lambretta scooter days.

Among the odd things I have done, is carried a complete engine home on the
scooter, accross the footplates, and I once took a lambretta engine on a
corporation bus, went into a pub with it, and just sat it on the middle of
the floor. Nobody seemed to take much notice, but then pubs were pubs in
those days.

--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes


"Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 22 Jul 2004 08:57:08 GMT, Simon Barr <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Roadside engine replacment!!!
> >
> >Did you just happen to be carrying a spare?
>
> Sort of... Old Ford Anglia with knackered engine. Advert in the
> local paper for a rusty old Anglia so we went to have a look - it was
> a dog but the engine wasn't a smoker - so we changed it there and
> then. Paid 25 quid for the whole car, after we'd swapped the engine
> we towed the 'new' one to the breakers and got 20 quid.
>
> Police turned up just as we were finishing off. Against the "Town
> Police Clauses Act of 1847" apparently. The poor sods couldn't
> believe we'd actually managed to do it and waved us merrily on our
> way.
>
> This was a long time ago.
>
> There's a story about some chaps changing a 101 gearbox in a motorway
> service station some years ago which, I believe, makes our engine
> change similar to replacing a flat tyre!
>
>
> --
> Some Land Roveresque (101 biased), links available
> from: http://links.solis.co.uk/Geek/X4_Land_Rover/
> I also have a little Land Rover site biased toward
> my beloved 101 "Grumble", at: http://www.101fc.net
>
>
> Reading this in 'alt.fan.landrover'? Did you know
> there's a group FAQ: http://www.aflfaq.dyndns.info


 
Is it possible to fall asleep at the wheel of a series 3 like mine that
needs your attention all the time.

I know some geezer caused the Selby Rail crash that way but that was in a
defender surely ?

When I used to drive up the motorway from London and felt myself nodding
off, I used to get off the motorway and onto the old A40 it surprising how
driving on roads like that wakes you up.

--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes


"Jason Hall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Whats with the powernapping?
>
> I hear all around of people getting great benefit from a quick 20min nap.
> Some roadhouses are gonna open 30 mins quiet rooms for a doze.
>
> Thing is , if i doze for 20 mins when i awake i cannot function at all.
> I wake up feeling like death. Maybee im the odd one out but a just cant
do
> powernaps as my brain goes to sleep then i cant drive back at all.
>
> Im a coffee, nicoteen and windows down kinda wakeup.
>
>
>


 
Reminds me of my old Lambretta scooter days.

Among the odd things I have done, is carried a complete engine home on the
scooter, accross the footplates, and I once took a lambretta engine on a
corporation bus, went into a pub with it, and just sat it on the middle of
the floor. Nobody seemed to take much notice, but then pubs were pubs in
those days.

--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes


"Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 22 Jul 2004 08:57:08 GMT, Simon Barr <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Roadside engine replacment!!!
> >
> >Did you just happen to be carrying a spare?
>
> Sort of... Old Ford Anglia with knackered engine. Advert in the
> local paper for a rusty old Anglia so we went to have a look - it was
> a dog but the engine wasn't a smoker - so we changed it there and
> then. Paid 25 quid for the whole car, after we'd swapped the engine
> we towed the 'new' one to the breakers and got 20 quid.
>
> Police turned up just as we were finishing off. Against the "Town
> Police Clauses Act of 1847" apparently. The poor sods couldn't
> believe we'd actually managed to do it and waved us merrily on our
> way.
>
> This was a long time ago.
>
> There's a story about some chaps changing a 101 gearbox in a motorway
> service station some years ago which, I believe, makes our engine
> change similar to replacing a flat tyre!
>
>
> --
> Some Land Roveresque (101 biased), links available
> from: http://links.solis.co.uk/Geek/X4_Land_Rover/
> I also have a little Land Rover site biased toward
> my beloved 101 "Grumble", at: http://www.101fc.net
>
>
> Reading this in 'alt.fan.landrover'? Did you know
> there's a group FAQ: http://www.aflfaq.dyndns.info


 
Reminds me of my old Lambretta scooter days.

Among the odd things I have done, is carried a complete engine home on the
scooter, accross the footplates, and I once took a lambretta engine on a
corporation bus, went into a pub with it, and just sat it on the middle of
the floor. Nobody seemed to take much notice, but then pubs were pubs in
those days.

--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes


"Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 22 Jul 2004 08:57:08 GMT, Simon Barr <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Roadside engine replacment!!!
> >
> >Did you just happen to be carrying a spare?
>
> Sort of... Old Ford Anglia with knackered engine. Advert in the
> local paper for a rusty old Anglia so we went to have a look - it was
> a dog but the engine wasn't a smoker - so we changed it there and
> then. Paid 25 quid for the whole car, after we'd swapped the engine
> we towed the 'new' one to the breakers and got 20 quid.
>
> Police turned up just as we were finishing off. Against the "Town
> Police Clauses Act of 1847" apparently. The poor sods couldn't
> believe we'd actually managed to do it and waved us merrily on our
> way.
>
> This was a long time ago.
>
> There's a story about some chaps changing a 101 gearbox in a motorway
> service station some years ago which, I believe, makes our engine
> change similar to replacing a flat tyre!
>
>
> --
> Some Land Roveresque (101 biased), links available
> from: http://links.solis.co.uk/Geek/X4_Land_Rover/
> I also have a little Land Rover site biased toward
> my beloved 101 "Grumble", at: http://www.101fc.net
>
>
> Reading this in 'alt.fan.landrover'? Did you know
> there's a group FAQ: http://www.aflfaq.dyndns.info


 
In article <[email protected]>, jason.hall8
@ntlworld.com says...
> Whats with the powernapping?
>
> I hear all around of people getting great benefit from a quick 20min nap.
> Some roadhouses are gonna open 30 mins quiet rooms for a doze.

I'm sure they'll only get used for sleeping... :)

> Thing is , if i doze for 20 mins when i awake i cannot function at all.
> I wake up feeling like death. Maybee im the odd one out but a just cant do
> powernaps as my brain goes to sleep then i cant drive back at all.

A friend of mine tought me a great skill once - self hypnosis. Very
simple, takes about 20 minutes to do and refreshes you like 8 hours of
sleep does. It's very impressive, I'm usually a skeptic, but I was
shocked to find that this actually works. Of course, you do need to get
actual rest eventualy, but the better you become at this, the longer you
can survive. My mate would regularly not sleep for 3 or 4 weeks, then
crash and sleep for about 5 days.

> Im a coffee, nicoteen and windows down kinda wakeup.

Gave up the smoking, so I keep sweets in the car instead. Coffee relaxes
me and sends me to sleep for some reason.

Cheers,
Aled.
 
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> > There's a story about some chaps changing a 101 gearbox in a motorway
> > service station some years ago which, I believe, makes our engine
> > change similar to replacing a flat tyre!

I once changed my oil and filter in a Tesco's car park in central
London. The road outside my house was at quite and angle, and this was
the nearest well-lit flat spot I found. :)

Cheers,
Aled.
 
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