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bazzo

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Just bought a 4.6 rangie... 1997 103k on the clock, very happy with it, seems to have been well looked after. Generally in very good condition inside and out, engine sounds good. plenty of history with it.

Then i read some trade advert for a 4.0 rangie and it said "this is the 4.0.. not the 4.6 that dies at 100k"

Is there any truth that the 4.6 gives up after 100k? or was this trader just trying to "big up" the 4.0 over the 4.6?

Any advise would be helpfull.. if they do give up.. why? and what can be done to make sure mine doesnt?

Thanks
 
No enjoy it!!! Mine is over 140K on the clock, engine still sweet. Have it serviced (or do it yourself) meticulously (frequent oil changes are important for the P38) and check fluid levels often as well - minor oil and water leaks are common in these cars and can lead to catastrophic overheating if you neglect to check......

The 4.6 is FAR superior (ducks behind sofa) to the dull 4.0 which behaves like granny's wheelchair by comparison - seriously, though, there are people who fiercely support both variants, but the 4.6 is an awesome performer when running sweetly, if you fuss over it a bit, and DO NOT LPG convert it, it is likely to long outlast the "100 000k" mark. LPG conversions generally make the engines run hotter, and as the 4.6 runs a bit hot anyway, the extra strain can lead to popped heads and cracked blocks - I have heard of some luckless owners changing engines more than once due to LPG problems. Mine is a great performer, never LPG converted, does huge mileage every week and has been a great drive over the past 5 years, albeit pricey to maintain and run. Enjoy the experience of the 4.6 and don't listen to drivel from desperate 4.0 owners trying to flog an underperforming vehicle!!!
 
I'm a RR Classic man myself but I agree with Rangiegal, don't LPG it (high combustion chamber temperatures) keep right on top of the cooling system & don't be afraid to down-shift it on hills, esp. if towing, as the fueling is set a bit lean in the mid rev range. For the record any of the 94mm bore V8's can slip a liner & the 4.6 is known to be the prime candidate.
 
Not true about lpg!

If it's done properly with a decent system and set up well it's fine. Sure beats paying full whack for petrol. I certainly couldn't afford to run one without lpg.

Mine was Lpg'd at 60,000 miles and it's still sweet now at almost 120,000. Or at least no less sweet than it would be if it were petrol only! :)

The 4.0 and the 4.6 are fundamentally the same engine. Isn't the only real difference the stroke? So in theory the bigger lump would be less stressed so less likely to cause problems, I would have thought....

Guy
 
The 'LPG Causes Breakdowns' legend has been circulating for YEARS!

Stuff has a higher octane than petrol so can stand more advance and a weaker mixture without knock, while it has a burn initiation, basically it dont go 'bang' as quick as petrol.

So you get a more even pressure through the power stroke, rather than a big hammer blow right at the top.

Actual combustion temperatures of different fuels are pretty irrelevent to running temperature, as its the localised 'hot-spots' that do damage, and how well the water jacket can soak up the heat.

Means its swings and roundabouts; you may get some higher localised temperatures in the combustion chamber with LPG, but releasing its energy more slowly over the combustion stroke, cooling system has a better chance of soaking that heat up.

Petrol may burn cooler, but dumping it all in a much shorter space of time, is just as likely to create localised hot spots, but certain to give the cooling system a harder time soaking them up!

But there are so many reports of 'problems' on RV8 engines of all types, and SO many pottential causes, blaming LPG as being at the 'root' of 'so many of them' is as fatiouse as those other rumours that say you shouldn't use super-market petrol, becouse its not the same quality as premium brands!

In fact,. that old 'gem' actually probably has more tangible evidence to support it than critasism of LPG!

REALLY it doesn't make much if any odds......

And the bottom line is; on a 15mpg mota, doing an 'average' 12K miles a year, on petrol, your fuel bill will be somethong like, three and a half grand, if you stick to petrol.

(Worth noting that; do average miles in a Rangie and you'll spend more on FUEL in a year than the car probably cost!)

Use Gas, and your annual fuel bill would probably drop to something like £2K, a saving of £1,500 a year, or enough to replace the engine with one from a scrapper three times...... saving in TWO years would buy you a complete new car!

On a car over ten years old, in the tail of its life, where mechanical maledies are as likely to be brought on by age, wear and tear, neglect, and historical abuse, as much as anything...... is it really worth worrying about some 'suggested' added risk running on gas, when the stuff can save you the cost of buying another one, in the time its likely to last anyway, whichever fuel you use?
 
the fundamental flaw in both the 4 and 4.6 is that the blocks are weak to start with!!!

the fact that aluminium and ductile iron expand and contract at different rates goes some way to explaining some of the issues, mainly slipped liners!!!

if these engines overheat then your likely to suffer slipped liners, maybe take a few miles or even a few tousand but eventually the liners will drop after a serious o/heat!

if the lpg theories are to be believed then i would suggest its more that the vapouriser freezes and causes an overheat rather than damages the combustion chambers from the inside.

this is poor plumbing combined with poor use of the lpg system. not the fuel!

my engine did 165k before giving up, i dont think thats bad for an engine! and if this engine last 165k then i dont think you can grumble really considering the engine cost less than 1k to install, buy and fill with oil(probably alot less than 1k)
 
If you are desperately fuel-saving concious, then, in a word, DON'T BUY A RANGIE. ANY RANGIE. Buy a Ka or a Smart Car instead. Or a Fiat Panda 4x4. If the big V8s were intended to run on LPG, maunufacturers would have made 'em like that. Funny thing, no problems with the engine, never LPG converted, but I know many other luckless Rangie owners, all with LPG conversions, who have had major engine probs. I certainly won't change to save a few quid - if I get that desperate I'll get a smaller more fuel efficient car!!
 
If you are desperately fuel-saving concious, then, in a word, DON'T BUY A RANGIE. ANY RANGIE. Buy a Ka or a Smart Car instead. Or a Fiat Panda 4x4. If the big V8s were intended to run on LPG, maunufacturers would have made 'em like that. Funny thing, no problems with the engine, never LPG converted, but I know many other luckless Rangie owners, all with LPG conversions, who have had major engine probs. I certainly won't change to save a few quid - if I get that desperate I'll get a smaller more fuel efficient car!!


I've heard of many more V8 owners with serious problems that haven't been lpg converted. The lpg conversion is completely irrelevant. The engines are a bit weak to start with and you're either lucky or not. Sounds like you are. So am I. A lot of people haven't been.

As for making it more economical, who one earth wouldn't want to? Unless they've got money to burn of course. Personally I pay more than enough tax already.

Guy
 
[ - if I get that desperate I'll get a smaller more fuel efficient car!![/quote]

Got to agree with that, my partner & I share a F..d for everyday mileage. That way I can leave the RR as nature (or rather LR) intended.
 
Think my initial question has been side tracked by the LPG dilema...
I am not considering an LPG conversion.. I believe if a car sucks gas it hauls ass..

Anyway.. so i understand that frequent oil changes are required, at what sort of milage?
and should i flush the coolant or will this cause more problems to an engine that seems fine at the moment? the vehicle seems to be in general good condition, especially bodywork and interior. The engine bay was a bit grimy, but never the less original...
The car has been in spain for the last 8 years, hence being rust free i guess.

So.. oil change milage?
to flush coolant or not???? That is my question lol
 
oil change every 6000 miles coolant change yes every year i do mine around this time of year always have done on every car i had. j
 
As for making it more economical, who one earth wouldn't want to? Unless they've got money to burn of course. Personally I pay more than enough tax already.

Guy

Not very economical to pop an engine now, is it, in order to save 40p a mile? I agree with those who feel it isn't a great idea to LPG convert these cars. my "economy" comes in careful maintenance and very regular servicing, which many a P38 owner cuts corners on. I get 18.5 MPG generally, up to 20MPG on long trips which I think is fantastic for a 10 year old 4.6 V8 and I can't expect more from it. Why would I want to destroy it by LPG converting, losing my spare wheel well, and developing lovely rust all over the boot area from the gas condensation? Like I said, if you can't afford to run a RR, it makes more sense money wise to drive a more economical car.

My plan with the Rangie has worked for me for over 5 years now, so I'm happy I went that way - false economy indeed to lash out on expensive LPG conversions and end up with masses of complications and heartbreak later on. :eek::eek: Luckily we are all different!!!!
 
Its very interesting reading through the forum about which V8 is better (quite obviously the one that your happy with), LPG or petrol or if diesel is better than both or indeed if we should go and buy a euro box that runs on badgers spit and has the appeal of a slap.

My thoughts are (having owned one of everything apart from a freelander, love that two door shape) buy what you want, not what you think other people will be impressed by or what the latest fad is. Cars wear out, it's what they do best and, properly maintained (bearing in mind that the V8 was supposed to have it's oil changed every 3,000 miles) they still wear out!
With a small amount of technical know how you can save money on dealers bills and given you keep the car over a period of time (and with luck in the engine lottery) lpg is cheaper as both regular fuels are practically the same price (who would have thought it!!!!) but it is still down to personal preference. My choice.........94 Range Rover classic with simple stuff i can fix on the drive. I have just bought a j reg that i am breaking for spares (if any of you lovely people need anything) and the lpg kit that was on it.

Here's to difference (and maybe the abbility to wave at a freelander driver...go on, you want to)
 
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