RR Classic vs P38

Datatek said:

I think for some of us that's a load of ballcocks. I got a P38 because I coudn't afford another decent Pajero or a Land Cruiser and also because the parts are cheap and ALL the info is available for home workshop fault finding/repairs. If I win the Euro Millions I will be getting a Land Cruiser, later Pajero's are not too good.
Don't get me wrong, the P38 is a nice drive, but the build quality, or lack of it is depressing

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I'm lucky enough to (within reason) be able to afford any car I want. I love P38s - that's why I bought one, I could afford a L322 or indeed any other 4x4 - I don't like L322s. I do like the new Grand Cherokee - -that'll probably be the replacement for my P38 when the time comes. I think that 90% of Jap cars are soulless boring crap. I generally buy Japanese motorbikes because they are very, very good, Jap cars bore me to tears.

Err, how did we get into a LR vs Jap argument?! I was just comparing an RRC to a P38a - so why have we got 7 pages of crap about Landcruisers?! Rubbish.

Its great when someone posts up that they think your post is ballcocks, then proceeds to type out something which basically says exactly what you posted in the first place.

Quality!:crazy:

I got a P38 because I coudn't afford another decent Pajero or a Land Cruiser and also because the parts are cheap and ALL the info is available for home workshop fault finding/repairs.

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Pardon me for talking any LR down, but money is tight there's other motors out there that might be better on ya pocket!

joe1972 said:

Its great when someone posts up that they think your post is ballcocks, then proceeds to type out something which basically says exactly what you posted in the first place.

Quality!:crazy:

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What a load of rubbish its much worse when they think your post is ballcocks, then proceeds to type out something which basically says exactly what you posted in the first place.

joe1972 said:

Its great when someone posts up that they think your post is ballcocks, then proceeds to type out something which basically says exactly what you posted in the first place.

Quality!:crazy:

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Read it again, you said people buy LR products because they are enthusiasts and if they aren't they will be disappointed. Some of us buy them because that's all we can afford. Not the same thing at all. LR quality is crap which is why they go for peanuts secondhand and us poor pensioners can afford one. I knew it was crap before I bought it so I'm not disappointed. Can't get out of my place if it snows or I wouldn't have a 4 x 4 either.

MikeV8SE said:

Err, how did we get into a LR vs Jap argument?! I was just comparing an RRC to a P38a - so why have we got 7 pages of crap about Landcruisers?! Rubbish.

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well we started off just doing it to annoy you mike then this guy turned up and wouldnt shut up and five pages later here we are.

but hey ho it was probably as interesing as the orginal topic would be as everyone has there own taste

James R said:

I don't think that's entirely correct. Sure, that's a good influence and no doubt the Japanese have dominated the Asia Pac market but I think it would also be churlish to not assume that it was for reliability reasons too and that it was this reason that permitted the erstwhile dominance of Land Rover to be very quickly eroded.

It is a widespread stereotype but which must have a basis in reality that people buy Jap 4x4s because when they're a million miles from anywhere and their lives depend on the car then a Jap car is less likely to let you down. Can you imagine anyone in their right mind to drive across Australia in a P38? You'd have to be nuts not to take a Jap 4x4 and, for me, this is the acid test : if your life depended on it, what would you take? For most, however, this is not the argument but moreover which one you prefer.

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I have driven all the desert tracks in a series III land rover and would not hesitate to take my P38 across them all when i get it out here.

fett said:

well we started off just doing it to annoy you mike then this guy turned up and wouldnt shut up and five pages later here we are.

but hey ho it was probably as interesing as the orginal topic would be as everyone has there own taste

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Maybe if you didn't post sh1t in the first place five pages wouldn't have happened. I did point out that the OP wanted a comparison between RRC and P38 and you started prattling about about ****tys Having owned RRC in diesel and petrol variants I can say they bring a smile to your face but for comfort and longevity I would have to say P38. Any motor can be sorted and the P38 is no different.

Wow! Datatek! You're posts are always so knowledgeable that I'd assumed you were a fan. I positively chose to have a P38 and I love it. But now we need to know - if you lived in a mild climate with no need for a 4x4, what car would be on your driveway?

I'd chose a Classic for its unique, distinctive, timeless looks and "character" but a P38 for ride comfort, a quality interior and perhaps slightly better handling.

Mechanically both can give problems, some similar to each other and others a bit different. These just come with the territory of owning a Landrover product. But all can be fixed and then away you go - wherever you want - except for water crossings and Rangies are not on their own with this Achilles Heel.

From a soft dash LSE driver who also wants a P38.

steviebabes said:

Wow! Datatek! You're posts are always so knowledgeable that I'd assumed you were a fan. I positively chose to have a P38 and I love it. But now we need to know - if you lived in a mild climate with no need for a 4x4, what car would be on your driveway?

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I'm knowledgeable because I can't afford dealer prices and the indies round here won't touch a P38 with the hot end of a sterilised barge pole I'd settle for a newer Transit with aircon if it would get up the hill in winter Much bigger boot, nice high driving position and very economical Even tows the caravan quite well but they won't let me in the caravan sites cos they think I'm a pikey with the van

Rob Edge said:

Maybe if you didn't post sh1t in the first place five pages wouldn't have happened. I did point out that the OP wanted a comparison between RRC and P38 and you started prattling about about ****tys Having owned RRC in diesel and petrol variants I can say they bring a smile to your face but for comfort and longevity I would have to say P38. Any motor can be sorted and the P38 is no different.

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Rob, we all thought that when you started selling ladies sanitary products that you'd calm down a bit. Seems like you like an argument and that you might need some of your own wares at this time of the month?

Yes, the words 'P38' and 'longevity' are utterly compatible. You are right.

Have a lovely day everyone!

James R said:

Rob, we all thought that when you started selling ladies sanitary products that you'd calm down a bit. Seems like you like an argument and that you might need some of your own wares at this time of the month?

Yes, the words 'P38' and 'longevity' are utterly compatible. You are right.

Have a lovely day everyone!

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Having owned a fair few LR products over the last 30 years I have a pretty good idea of what longevity means. I have yet too see a P38 with rotten front and rear inner wings. Rear section of chassis and boot floor riddled with corrosion. Shall I continue. A good strong Classic is very hard to find but the P38 doesn't suffer from the rust bug quite the same.

Rob Edge said:

A good strong Classic is very hard to find but the P38 doesn't suffer from the rust bug quite the same.

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In fairness, I'd agree with this. Classic tend to rot but are otherwise relatively reliable (I say as mine sits in disgrace with a broken starter motor).

P38's tend to be largely rust-free, but have electrical gremlins forever unless you're very lucky!

Rob Edge said:

Having owned a fair few LR products over the last 30 years I have a pretty good idea of what longevity means. I have yet too see a P38 with rotten front and rear inner wings. Rear section of chassis and boot floor riddled with corrosion. Shall I continue. A good strong Classic is very hard to find but the P38 doesn't suffer from the rust bug quite the same.

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Yes, please continue. Please tell the nice ladies and gentlemen how reliable the suspension is and all the electricals and if the word 'longevity' comes into play with those, would you? Nice cars, don't get me wrong, but come on.

James R said:

Yes, please continue. Please tell the nice ladies and gentlemen how reliable the suspension is and all the electricals and if the word 'longevity' comes into play with those, would you? Nice cars, don't get me wrong, but come on.

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My mate Paul bought his P38 off his brother 8 years ago. His brother had it 3 years before that. Only things it's had are service, brakes and tyres. Just clocked 101k. When you buy a rich mans toy that is over ten years old you may well encounter problems. Isn't it funny that although people post with problems they usually get sorted. The P38 is no worse than any other 10-15 year old car bristling with electronics. The difference is you can come to places like this for advice.

Well as someone who regularly uses his 4x4 on non-stop 12 - 15 hour blasts on pretty rough bush roads I can tell you I was let down by a LC VX Amazon, just two years old, brakes overheated and faded completely away, bits of pretty plastic trim in the engine bay melted and deformed and some on the outside just rattled and fell off. I since use the P38 and make the trip sometimes twice in one week, sometimes a couple of months apart. Mine (as you can see from my sig) is 14 years old and bog standard, no special prep at all. Although things do break or fail (or as on one memorable occasion even catch fire) its usually fixable by the side of the road and I can generally track the fault to something I had knowingly procrastinated in solving. With the RR I have much more confidence in the control I have over the car, in its structural strength and integrity (that all the swoops and gullies and potholes and all-four-wheels-in-the-air humps aren't going to break the drivetrain or suspension), in all the failsafes and redundacies that have been designed in to it as both a top-of-the line model and a true off-roader and in the exceptional ergonomics that means my drive will be safer and my back won't creak like an old barn door when I finally get out at the end of the journey, usually an hour or two ahead of the 4 year old Pajero that makes the trip with me but has to take it slow at certain places that the RR just romps through.

Add to that the fact that at the end of the journey you can just hose it off and its like James Bond peeling off his paratrooper kit and stepping out in a dinner suit. You can take it to any club or restaurant or hotel and it will hold its own parked amongst all the European exotica or Oriental overachievers and that, gents for me, makes it one hell of a car!

http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f10/quids-117932.html

http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f10/fire-hazard-124114.html

Rob edge just fook off back to LRO will ya!

rasheed me old matey , what year landcruiser was it? and we have discussed before how unique your p38 is lol, btw wernt you going to great lengths to find a classic?

The LC incident was in 1996 with '94, just before I got the P38. And yes I'm still in the market for a mint LHD LSE but never found one or at least not one they didn't want silly bugger money for!

rasheed said:

Add to that the fact that at the end of the journey you can just hose it off and its like James Bond peeling off his paratrooper kit and stepping out in a dinner suit. You can take it to any club or restaurant or hotel and it will hold its own parked amongst all the European exotica or Oriental overachievers and that, gents for me, makes it one hell of a car!

http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f10/quids-117932.html

http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f10/fire-hazard-124114.html

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awsome !!!