Rear spring moved?

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AndrewPrior

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I was under the car today trying (and failing) to get a few things done and noticed the upper part of the passenger side rear spring wasn't in it's seat, but bent towards (but thank god not touching!) the tyre. Here is a few from above.

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From what I've read, I should just be able to jack up that side of the vehicle until the spring is stretched out enough and whack it back in place with strategic use of brute force. Might need to detach the damper, I guess.

What I can't figure out is... how did this happen? The axle bumper near that spring was gone as well (it's been on my "to do" list since I bought her a few months back) so I assume somebody bounced the hell out of that side at some point.... must have slipped out then?

- Andrew
 
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When I got my 90 one of the springs wasn't seated properly. I jacked up the body, put a jack under the rear axle, took off the wheel and then dropped the axle - the spring can then just be eased into position (i.e. no brute force required!)
 
I dislocated one of my rear springs on a 90 doing daft things off road on a standard set up. If you have a set of axle stands I would losen the wheel nuts, jack it up, take the wheel off then lower it onto the 2 axle stands...as already mentioned it should slot back or use a pry bar and a rubber hammer. Just keep an eye on your brake pipes and dont stretch them. A bit of downward pressure on the hub is okay if its tight.
 
Mine does exactly the same thing when off road sometimes, quick 5 minute job with no need to remove a wheel!

Chock the wheels/ engage difflock

using a hi-lift or similar jack, jack up from the rear crossmember (same side as dislocated spring)

it should lift the body (and the spring retainer) enough while leaving the spring in place for you to "pop" it back in using a spanner or bit of wood (so it doesn't catch your fingers)
 
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hext said:
Mine does exactly the same thing when off road sometimes, quick 5 minute job with no need to remove a wheel!

Chock the wheels/ engage difflock

using a hi-lift or similar jack, jack up from the rear crossmember (same side as dislocated spring)

it should lift the body (and the spring retainer) enough while leaving the spring in place for you to "pop" it back in using a spanner or bit of wood (so it doesn't catch your fingers)
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Exactly what I ended up doing... had to remove the spare wheel from the back door in order to get the hi-lift in place though!

- Andrew
 
...of course that couldn't just be the end of the story!

Today on my drive home there was a loud "twang" noise from the rear... I pull over and can't see the issue, until I look at this spring...

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Now it's not quite as bad as it looks (I think), it's a dual spring setup and what you can see is the smaller inner spring has come through the bracket. The springs on the other side seem to be held together, so the weld or joiner has broken.

I have the following questions:

1) is it safe to drive like this? I would think so, as the outer (hearvier) spring is still firmly in place and can't move. I'm planning on doing a lot of driving starting friday ending up at the LRO show in Peterborough (flying to Canada for the two weeks in between... so no time to fix).

2) where do these dual springs come from? I see a few references to "130 dual springs" but not much... no idea where I can buy replacements

3) is it worth replacing with dual springs again? An indy mechanic at a land rover workshop I went to said the rear springs were the wrong ones and he could the truck was "wallowing" in the 20 feet he drove it (there was no time for a repair, so I know it wasn't a sales pitch).

Information and advice very much appreciated!

- Andrew

BTW: anybody else going to LRO peterborough?
 
This is a 110 300tdi? It is likely that the self leveller system at some stage has been removed or just doesn't work anymore? I am guessing that someone has fitted a set of springs with a set of helpers to compensate for the self leveller. The helper springs can be removed or refitted depending on what it is being used for. You can remove both helper springs to even things out and it will be okay.... at the moment you will not get stable ride and if loading it up for a trip over it will not handle like it should. I would take both helper springs out for now if you can.
The helper springs are sometimes used for expedition type trips and removed for normal day to day stuff... I know Old Man Emu offer that set up with the helper springs.
Depending on what your normal use is you can replace with single springs, again I am guessing but single heavy duty springs would be similar to what you have now (with the helper)
The 'wallowing' is more likely be worn/tired shock absorbers. I recently replace my shocks and springs on my 110 as mine was wollowing like an old 4 poster bed. Made a huge difference!
 
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AndrewPrior said:
...of course that couldn't just be the end of the story!

Today on my drive home there was a loud "twang" noise from the rear... I pull over and can't see the issue, until I look at this spring...

imag0028b.jpg


Now it's not quite as bad as it looks (I think), it's a dual spring setup and what you can see is the smaller inner spring has come through the bracket. The springs on the other side seem to be held together, so the weld or joiner has broken.

I have the following questions:

1) is it safe to drive like this? I would think so, as the outer (hearvier) spring is still firmly in place and can't move. I'm planning on doing a lot of driving starting friday ending up at the LRO show in Peterborough (flying to Canada for the two weeks in between... so no time to fix).

I wouldn't like to drive any distance with the spring like that

2) where do these dual springs come from? I see a few references to "130 dual springs" but not much... no idea where I can buy replacements

I fitteda set to mine about 6 months ago. Mine are Bearmach

3) is it worth replacing with dual springs again? An indy mechanic at a land rover workshop I went to said the rear springs were the wrong ones and he could the truck was "wallowing" in the 20 feet he drove it (there was no time for a repair, so I know it wasn't a sales pitch).

If your landy is a csw I would say it has the correct springs

Information and advice very much appreciated!

There should be a locating plate both top and bottom to stop what's happened from happening.

- Andrew

BTW: anybody else going to LRO peterborough?
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Yep, it's a 300tdi 110 CSW. Should have said that....

Knowing they are called "helper springs" makes the google search better!

I thought the bracket (the one that the spring is pushing through) was the locating plate... it's keeping the larger spring in place still. I'll have to research this.

Thanks for the info!

- Andrew
 
AndrewPrior said:
Yep, it's a 300tdi 110 CSW. Should have said that....

Knowing they are called "helper springs" makes the google search better!

I thought the bracket (the one that the spring is pushing through) was the locating plate... it's keeping the larger spring in place still. I'll have to research this.

Thanks for the info!

- Andrew
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Here ya go. It looks like you're missing part number 16.

 
Just the page I was looking at! It's amazing what you can find when you know the right name. :) Never thought to look at at parts catalogs before as I figured it was a non-standard setup. Doh!

I think I don't have those plates on the other side either, the springs seem to have been welded or clamped together at the top and bottom instead. Since the main spring is kept in place by the normal bracket, the helper spring stayed in place too.

Sadly, I won't be able to get new parts for a couple weeks (always takes forever here) so I can't fix it now. :( It feels OK driving, and that side of the car isn't any lower than the other side, so I think I'm OK driving with it like this for now... finding another way around at this short notice will be tough. Not much load at the moment, just me, a roof tent, and an engels fridge, so hopefully it will be OK.

Thanks for the help!

- Andrew
 
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